where are the loads

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
First of all, I haven't read through & through all these posts. But I was under the impression when Diesel prices rise FSC rises also. If this is true why would an O|O have to keep raising his price to meet his\her operating cost?. :confused:

sometimes there is a bit of lag between the real time pump price and the FSC rates...they never go up at the same time...so the driver is quoting real time expense...
 

skyraider

Veteran Expediter
US Navy
wrong attitude, in thinking that way, remember our discussion on minimums. rite now 1.30 is a minimum for alot of o/o running straights. here is a breakdown from our point base on a 1000 mile load at 1.30 no dh. pay 1300.00 - 355.55 [email protected] = 944.45 < 1000 mi = .94 per mi after fuel. .94 - .15 per mi for maint. = .79 - .20 per mi. driver pay figured on 3000 mi/wk to the 600 we pay ourselves = .59 - .02 per mi. for carrier fees based on approx. 50.00 =.57 - .20 per mi truck replacement cost based on a 135k cost running 135k mi per yr.5yr trk life = .37 - .10 per mi for bus. exp. based on 1200.00 @ the same 135k mi [ phone, ins., etc.] =.27 per mi left over or 700.00 a week not spoken for and there are alot of these figures that i just gave that are very minimalistic. and some i did not mention. one is pay for the o/o on off weeks. that 700.00 could be eaten up quickly. also we dont have co. retirement we have to do that ourselves along with medical and health ins. costs. just fyi from our side.

after reading all the above and im not in a st trk, I would just rather stay in my CV, but Im still learning stuff. Hmmm
 

Dynamite 1

Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
plus there is a difference between a flat rate plus fsc. and a rate figured on a %. on a % sometimes there is no [fsc.] only an all in rate so when fuel goes up so does the rate.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
plus there is a difference between a flat rate plus fsc. and a rate figured on a %. on a % sometimes there is no [fsc.] only an all in rate so when fuel goes up so does the rate.

But there is still that time lag...a .10 pump increase on Thursday won't be figured into the rate that fast on a Friday load offer...some drivers don't take that into consideration...and should..they are not paying attention...
 

Dynamite 1

Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
very true, i think the most you can hope for with most carriers is a once a week fsc. update. heck some only do it once or twice a month.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
Most figure it on a weekly basis, whatever the national (or whatever) average is on Monday.
 

nightcreacher

Veteran Expediter
Fsc is usually figured on the previous weeks rate.Monday morning the price of fuel might go up,and you don't see fsc change till following week.Works the other way too,price drops but your still getting the higher pay for a week.
Most companies only pay fsc on loaded miles,FDCC pays on all dispatched miles,this can be better if you do lots of dead.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
See, I am here as a friend not a foe. This is why most dispatch/driver relationships are generally tense and there is a lack of communication there. Because they both assume about each other.

Well not really... most reasons for a tense relationship seems to happen on the part of the dispatcher who for a lack of a better term is a controlling sh*thead.

What I mean is that you have yet learned the most important fact in this business, you need that driver and you have to respect his/her position in the big picture.

The lack of communications is usually one sided, that is on the side of the company and many, if not most control the flow of information to the contractor who uses the information for either decision making or other business needs.

You assumed that I make commission on brokering loads, in which I do not. The commission is set forth to further motivate dispatchers in keeping the trucks moving.

I don't assume anything, you have not disclosed who you are, where you work or for that matter your real world experienced. SO if I have an assumption, it is based on the experience I have which simply is that many dispatchers who are on commission first turn a buck for themselves, then the company and then if possible for the contractor - a backwards thing at best. This all leads up to the point that if the company is worried about margins being on each and every load, they should not bother having leased drivers.

But we have been having a real problem with truck drivers lately giving themselves raises or staying O.O.S. It ****es us off. Because some of our drivers are getting rediculous with it.

Well as I told others, I will tell you this - too d*mn bad, live with it. It seems your company micromanages the drivers, bad thing, and from all you wrote, the immaturity of the business you are part of may be a great example to be used on how not to run a carrier.

May be the problem you are having is the reflection of your poor management of the resources you have on hand, just maybe?

If it was some of our nicer drivers, I would put for the extra cents/mi. to keep them running. But if you are a P.I.T.A., then I am not going to bend over at all for you.

This tells me a lot about how you look at business and how you think you are the important part of the chain.

I dont know what company pays drivers 1.64/mi. I was told by other company's drivers (1099 drivers) that we at 1.30/mi are slightly above average. But 1.64/mi is a big jump. Is that company paying you deadhead too? How many miles are you getting a week?

Well the one I'm contracted for does regularly, I think a lot of contractors don't accept loads under $1.75 all inclusive, so it seems to be a common rate. I won't tell you what I make on my dedicated work, you wouldn't believe me because it is far above that $1.64 a mile - far.

You are also assuming that many of us operate under the idea we need DH and we strive for miles - it doesn't work that way for many of us because it is about revenue, not miles.
 

Dynamite 1

Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
still waiting on a response to the rate/fsc that is paid by this company. also would like to know what your primary coverage area is if there is one. what are the carrier deductions to the o/o each week. [see previous post]
 

Dispatcher03

Not a Member
Well not really... most reasons for a tense relationship seems to happen on the part of the dispatcher who for a lack of a better term is a controlling sh*thead.

According to a moderator that messaged me earlier, replacing letters in cuss words is still against policy. So stop it "newbie".

What I mean is that you have yet learned the most important fact in this business, you need that driver and you have to respect his/her position in the big picture.

I dont know what you are talking about, but I greatly appreciat the fact that you can form a psychological analysis and a survey of my education in the field by posts.

The lack of communications is usually one sided, that is on the side of the company and many, if not most control the flow of information to the contractor who uses the information for either decision making or other business needs.

See here is the thing. Whatever information the company receives, the driver receives. The company is the middle man between the customer, and the driver. The customer usually is the one that screws up comms.


I don't assume anything, you have not disclosed who you are, where you work or for that matter your real world experienced.
You will in a second

SO if I have an assumption,
if you have one....

it is based on the experience I have which simply is that many dispatchers who are on commission first turn a buck for themselves, then the company and then if possible for the contractor - a backwards thing at best.
Looks like a real bonified assumption to me!!

This all leads up to the point that if the company is worried about margins being on each and every load, they should not bother having leased drivers.

All companies dream of making margins on each and every load. Does that happen? no. Does my company? no. Do we go in the hole? yes. Do other carriers not get paid because of paperwork? yes. Do we not get paid because a driver didnt get the B.O.L. # correct? yes. Does this happen to other carriers? yes. 90% of the time, carriers dont get paid because the driver screwed it up. But he still gets paid. But when it comes to nothing went wrong, Yeah carriers still go in the hole atleast 5% of the time.

Well as I told others, I will tell you this - too d*mn bad, live with it. It seems your company micromanages the drivers, bad thing, and from all you wrote, the immaturity of the business you are part of may be a great example to be used on how not to run a carrier.

It sure seems that way doesnt it. I have spoke about 2 drivers on this site, but now I micromanage all of them. Oh, we are immature too. Hmmm. Drivers seem to like us a lot so i dunno. I think people are just reading the tone wrong in some of my posts. I will try to type with more clearer intentions for you.

May be the problem you are having is the reflection of your poor management of the resources you have on hand, just maybe?

Where do you get this from? Wait, are we doing another one of these assumptions?

This tells me a lot about how you look at business and how you think you are the important part of the chain.

Again, another assumption? Am I not allowed in the chain? Fine then. Why dont you tell me why I am NOT an important part of the chain, since you think that I think so. Mr. Mindreader.

Well the one I'm contracted for does regularly, I think a lot of contractors don't accept loads under $1.75 all inclusive, so it seems to be a common rate. I won't tell you what I make on my dedicated work, you wouldn't believe me because it is far above that $1.64 a mile - far.

I could care less if you disclosed any information. All information is privelidged. I thought dedicated routes made less because they were guaranteed work? BTW, How many miles are you moving for that rate?

You are also assuming that many of us operate under the idea we need DH and we strive for miles - it doesn't work that way for many of us because it is about revenue, not miles.

I understand, rates/mi. mean nothing. I should start telling my drivers what the end pay of the load is instead of the rate/mi.

still waiting on a response to the rate/fsc that is paid by this company. also would like to know what your primary coverage area is if there is one. what are the carrier deductions to the o/o each week. [see previous post]

It is 1.30-1.35 + fuel. for straight trucks, and for tractors it is 1.90/mi + fuel.
 

Dynamite 1

Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
with that cleared up and if that is the way pay is structured. then your rate plus the .43 you said for a fsc make for a pretty decent rate. now the next thing you need to do is set back and take a breath. even if the response seems on the attack side really they are not. more on the heated debate side. remember ITS NOT PERSONAL ITS BUSINESS. this will go along way towards calming things and keeping this thread from going away. even though your co. operates some things differently than others this can still be a good thread on the different problems that arise. try to understand that truly there are some differences in operating procedures. next, you really do need to let us in on where you are at. others do and as i said your rate isnt bad. im sure there are other points that are not bad also. some might even find attractive. but mostly remember the first and boldest point. dont let it get to ya.
 

Dispatcher03

Not a Member
Alright, on a little lighter subject... I had a guy PM over night and mention that his dispatch is not letting him know where to relocate to when he drops. He actually is on contract with two companies at that. For me, this is an issue. Now, I would love to help you guys with this based on the loads I currently see on the board real time, and where you are at. So, if you guys would like, you can PM post your location, and I can tell you if MY company has any freight near there. Obviously every company is going to be different, and you more experienced drivers are pretty much going to know where to be. But if you dont, your welcome to ask me if your dispatch isnt helping.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
Maybe it is the sleep deprivation or the yellow puddle you may be standing in?
You are not consistent with what you are posting.

You now state that your trucks get 1.30 to 1.35 plus fuel

Yet, if you read back over the last two days you went from "we bid loads at 1.64" which means you make nothing on the load using your pay scenario.
Or "we offered 1.28 per mile and the guy wanted 1.30" ect.
Or......"we usually bid 1.75 to 2.00 a mile on a load (yet complain Panther gets the bid at 2.63". And using that scenario with your "we pay 1.35 plus .43 cents for fuel" meaning you made nothing again.
I can clearly see why you don't want to mention what company this is. I wouldn't either. Way too many flowers and pixie dust in some of your posts.

I could go on. These kinds of discrepancies erode your credibility. Or maybe it is just embellished dispatch talk.
As mentioned before, this is why some are sceptical.
 

purgoose10

Veteran Expediter
Maybe it is the sleep deprivation or the yellow puddle you may be standing in?
You are not consistent with what you are posting.

You now state that your trucks get 1.30 to 1.35 plus fuel

Yet, if you read back over the last two days you went from "we bid loads at 1.64" which means you make nothing on the load using your pay scenario.
Or "we offered 1.28 per mile and the guy wanted 1.30" ect.
Or......"we usually bid 1.75 to 2.00 a mile on a load (yet complain Panther gets the bid at 2.63". And using that scenario with your "we pay 1.35 plus .43 cents for fuel" meaning you made nothing again.
I can clearly see why you don't want to mention what company this is. I wouldn't either. Way too many flowers and pixie dust in some of your posts.

I could go on. These kinds of discrepancies erode your credibility. Or maybe it is just embellished dispatch talk.
As mentioned before, this is why some are sceptical.

Thankyou!!!!
 

purgoose10

Veteran Expediter
Thinking about it, if I were in Laredo anytime in the first quarter of the year and someone offered me $1.30 I'd be loaded and gone before the conversation ended.
 
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