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MrGautama

Not a Member
Turtle, you are showing just what a cold blooded reptile you are! Ease up on MrGuano for he also is a victim. Where is your compassion? Its all about the victims. And the children. But especially about the children that are victims.

Xenophobic. MrG, how convenient to assign a phobia to someone or something that you don't agree with. You seem to have a fear of large American corporations like Xerox. You must be xerophobic!


Mr Poop, Xenophobia is an unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners or strangers or of that which is foreign or strange.

American corporations are neither foreign nor strange; they are just amoral. Only a concept for you to grasp.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
This is kinda like watching Cheech and Chong, funny for a few minutes then VERY boring. NOT worth the trouble. HEY!! I here that Obama and Hillary are having an affair and Ohpra is gunning for them both!!! She has gone out and bought a Vulcan gun ship. That is why Air Force One was flying so low the other day. Trying to stay under her radar. Good night "commrads" Layoutshooter
 

Dog_House2691

Seasoned Expediter
We need more Men in this Country,it has become a Bunch of MetroSexuals,Liberals and Wussies.Reporters asking the President questions about how Enchanted he is with the White House.When the Prez is running around the World on his apoligy Tour,and bowing to Dictators.As for the Ilegal Aliens,wheres John Wayne when you need him.
 

DougTravels

Not a Member
wheres John Wayne when you need him.



The Cowboys are finished.
You understand me?



I see a red sash,
I kill the man wearin' it.



So run, you cur.



Run! Tell all the other curs
the law is comin'!



You tell 'em I'm comin'!



And hell's comin'
with me, you hear?



Hell's comin' with me!

Sorry, I couldn't resist and now back to your previously scheduled doom and gloom. :)
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
The following list shows the highlights of the US foreign policy related to the immigration issue, it's only a surface look to some of the progressive governments and movements crushed in the context of our foreign policy, this are only relatively recent actions that are the top of a long history of criminal intervention.


-Guatemala:

Intervention: Overthrow Government Jacobo Arbenz

Prompted by: negative impact on the interests of The United Fruit Company, risk of a successful example of an alternative to capitalism


-Brazil:

Intervention: Overthrow Government Joao Goulart

Prompted by: negative impact on the interests of ITT, adoption of an independent stand in foreign policy.


-Dominican Republic:

Intervention: Overthrow Government Juan Bosch

Prompted by: Regulation of foreign investment to control excessively exploitation of the countries resources. Policy restricting the persecution of Communists or those labeled that way unless they violated the law.


-Chile:

Intervention: Overthrown Government Salvador Allende

Prompted by: negative impact on the interests of Anaconda, Kennecott and ITT, risk of a successful example of an alternative to capitalism


-Nicaragua:

Intervention: Overthrow Government Sandinista Council

Prompted by: Forced fall of the Somoza Dynasty, risk of a successful example of an alternative to capitalism


-El Salvador:

Intervention: 6 billion dollars to avoid the fall of the immensely unpopular pro-elite government, risk of a successful example of an alternative to capitalism.


-Mexico:

Also known as “The Laboratory for Globalization” is the most successful of all covert interventions, after decades of keeping the "correct" party in power, Mexico has permanently been locked into pro US corporation policies by treaty ,NAFTA.
Right in time considering that the last presidential election almost ended with the Washington Men out of power and uncertainty of what will happen next time.




We as citizens by not discussing (or in some cases denying) the root of the problem perpetuate the status quo and keep it's resolution at arms length and unreachable. As long as we keep the blindfold in it's place it will be “business as usual”
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You forgot one...

Venezuala:

Intervention: sieze all Citgo holdings in the US.
Prompted by: Chavez's seizing of US corporation Cargill's Venezualan operations.

One can dream, can't he?
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Everything I understand says Mr G speaks the truth when he says American government has become of, by, and for the [wealthy] corporate interests.
Today I read that Citigroup has 4000 subsidiaries registered as offshore companies, just to avoid paying taxes. I think that's just the tip of the iceberg, when it comes to how much power 'business' has usurped from we, the people.
I too would like to see a rational immigration policy [one which would not encourage 'illegals' by granting automatic citizenship to offspring born here] because like much else the government has done the last 4 or 5 decades - it aint working.
 

MrGautama

Not a Member
You forgot one...

Venezuala:

Intervention: sieze all Citgo holdings in the US.
Prompted by: Chavez's seizing of US corporation Cargill's Venezualan operations.

One can dream, can't he?


The interventions in Latin America have had a cost of about 300,000 lives and you want to add some more to our scorecard... you make us all proud by having a colleague that advocates genocide. Very nice...
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
The interventions in Latin America have had a cost of about 300,000 lives and you want to add some more to our scorecard... you make us all proud by having a colleague that advocates genocide. Very nice...

You're right. I'd rather sit around a campfire, nibbling on Kashi, and singing Kumbaya. Let's let dictators dictate our policies, as Mexico is doing. Soon, we can all drink a toast to Che Cavera, and sing the praises of Castro. Sorry... if you want to live that way, there are plenty of countries in our hemisphere where you are encouraged to do so. But if anyone expects to force me to do it, they'd better pre-dig a grave or two.
 

MrGautama

Not a Member
Just an example of Cheri's point, our beloved Halliburton has only 36 subsidiaries incorporated in the US; the rest (107 or 75%) are incorporated in 30 other countries.

Lets make today Halliburton Day to honor its patriotism and concern for our country!!. ;)
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
Business isn't about patriotism, it's about business. Nobody starts a business to lose money or break even, they start it to make money, regardless of how patriotic they may or may not be. Business and patriotism are two different things, and while some businesses can be patriotic business, it's not a requirement. Short of treason, business always trump patriotism, since business will generally make you more money than patriotism will. The goal of business is to make money, and as much of it as you can, within the law. If the law allows you ways to make more money, it would be foolish to abandon your goals and not take advantage of it. So it's hard to blame someone for having offshore corporations or wanting to do business overseas.

Clearly, the laws need to be changed to prevent companies from continuing the abuse, but if there's ever a loophole, human nature demands that it be taken advantage of, be it a business loophole or a social loophole (like the minority using the courts to force their will onto the majority, or for that matter, posting on EO with a second screen name).
 

MrGautama

Not a Member
Very well Turtle, but we can't have our government creating wars to enrich these corporations and then see them escape taxation.

I mean, if we are going to have fictional wars to transfer public funds into private hands at least lets give the contracts to corporations that pay their taxes!.
 

aristotle

Veteran Expediter
Very well Turtle, but we can't have our government creating wars to enrich these corporations and then see them escape taxation.

I mean, if we are going to have fictional wars to transfer public funds into private hands at least lets give the contracts to corporations that pay their taxes!.

The US troops on the front lines in Iraq and Afghanistan would tell you this is not a fictional war. It's really happening.
 
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