There won't be any meaningful talks. Just a bunch of BS deals behind closed doors and good citizens will be screwed while illegals and the rest of the world are treated royally.
What's Going on in the US House of Representatives?
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Dems can’t even agree to modest cuts in spending growth. Too funny. Actually sad.
Put another way, politicians in general and Democrats in particular insist they must have more of OUR money to spend on THEIR pet projects like the Green New Deal.
Today's Business Chatter RE Debt Ceiling
If today's chatter on the business news shows (Bloomberg, CNBC) is any indication, there will be no panic before the debt ceiling is resolved. Investors and analysts have seen this dance several times before. The Democrats and Republicans will bring the US to the brink of default and then extend the debt ceiling to take the politicians through the end of the presidential election cycle, so they won't have to deal with it again until then.
I'm not sure how accurate that will turn out to be, but that's the talk and mood on the business channels.
If today's chatter on the business news shows (Bloomberg, CNBC) is any indication, there will be no panic before the debt ceiling is resolved. Investors and analysts have seen this dance several times before. The Democrats and Republicans will bring the US to the brink of default and then extend the debt ceiling to take the politicians through the end of the presidential election cycle, so they won't have to deal with it again until then.
I'm not sure how accurate that will turn out to be, but that's the talk and mood on the business channels.
They better change that to zero cuts toward veterans and 100% cuts to illegals.
danthewolf00
Veteran Expediter
Once again they blame Republicans for their out of control spending....when Republicans have to fix their foul ups.
Santos Charged - Faces 20 Years in Prison
"Rep. George Santos, R-N.Y., was charged by federal prosecutors for an array of crimes, including fraud, theft, money laundering and making false statements."
“'Taken together, the allegations in this indictment charge Santos with relying on repeated dishonesty and deception to ascend to the halls of Congress and enrich himself,' [US Attorney] Peace said." (Source)
Now that Santos is charged, what should the House Speaker do with this member? If the member was a Democrat but all other circumstances regarding his conduct were the same, should the Speaker treat him differently?
What has been done in the past when a member is charged with serious federal crimes?
"Rep. George Santos, R-N.Y., was charged by federal prosecutors for an array of crimes, including fraud, theft, money laundering and making false statements."
“'Taken together, the allegations in this indictment charge Santos with relying on repeated dishonesty and deception to ascend to the halls of Congress and enrich himself,' [US Attorney] Peace said." (Source)
Now that Santos is charged, what should the House Speaker do with this member? If the member was a Democrat but all other circumstances regarding his conduct were the same, should the Speaker treat him differently?
What has been done in the past when a member is charged with serious federal crimes?
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I have no doubts if he was a Democrat, a move to expell him would already be underway.
I asked ChatGPT about this and got this answer: (Emphasis mine)
Reviewing the list, we see no one was expelled prior to being convicted. Some resigned after being indicted but before they were convicted, as it was clear they would be expelled.
Democrats:
Regardless, Santos is in deep trouble. With the highly credible indictment, it seems likely that Santos is on his way to prison. Yes, he enjoys the presumption of innocence in a court of law, but the court of public opinion is not so obligated or kind. It is extremely unlikely that he will be reelected to his seat if he lasts long enough to face his constituents in the 2024 election.
In the meantime, Santos continues to be the gift that keeps on giving for Democrats. The longer McCarthy and other Republicans defend Santos, the longer Democrats will enjoy and use the talking point this is.
Reviewing the list, we see no one was expelled prior to being convicted. Some resigned after being indicted but before they were convicted, as it was clear they would be expelled.
Democrats:
- Michael Myers (D-PA): In 1980, Myers was convicted of bribery and conspiracy in the Abscam scandal. He was expelled from the House by a vote of 376-30 and served three years in prison.
- Raymond Lederer (D-PA): Also in the Abscam scandal, Lederer was convicted of bribery and conspiracy in 1981. He was expelled from the House by a vote of 413-3 and served three years in prison.
- Mario Biaggi (D-NY): In 1987, Biaggi was convicted of obstruction of justice and accepting illegal gratuities in connection with the Wedtech scandal. He resigned from the House prior to his expulsion and was sentenced to two years in prison.
- Dan Rostenkowski (D-IL): In 1994, Rostenkowski was indicted on corruption charges related to his use of government funds. He resigned from the House prior to his expulsion and pleaded guilty to two counts of mail fraud. He served 15 months in prison.
- Walter Tucker III (D-CA): In 1995, Tucker was indicted on charges of extortion and bribery. He resigned from the House prior to his expulsion and pleaded guilty to one count of extortion. He served 27 months in prison.
- James Traficant (D-OH): In 2002, Traficant was convicted on ten felony counts of bribery, racketeering, and tax evasion. He was expelled from the House by a vote of 420-1 and served a seven-year prison sentence.
- William Jefferson (D-LA): In 2009, Jefferson was convicted on eleven counts of corruption, including bribery, racketeering, and money laundering. He lost his seat in the 2008 election prior to his sentencing and was sentenced to thirteen years in prison.
- James F. Hastings (R-NY): In 1980, Hastings was indicted on charges of accepting a bribe from an FBI agent posing as a businessman. He was acquitted of criminal charges, but was censured by the House for violating House rules related to conduct unbecoming of a member.
- Thomas J. Dodd (D-CT): In 1967, Dodd was censured by the Senate for financial misconduct related to his use of campaign funds and a bank account in the name of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. He was defeated in his 1970 re-election bid.
- Bob Ney (R-OH): In 2006, Ney pleaded guilty to conspiracy and making false statements in connection with the Jack Abramoff lobbying scandal. He resigned from Congress and served 17 months in prison.
- Rick Renzi (R-AZ): In 2013, Renzi was convicted of conspiracy, wire fraud, extortion, and money laundering in connection with a land-swap deal. He did not seek re-election in 2008 and was sentenced to three years in prison.
- Steve Stockman (R-TX): In 2018, Stockman was convicted of 23 counts of fraud, money laundering, and violating campaign finance laws. He lost his seat in the 2014 election prior to his sentencing and was sentenced to ten years in prison.
Regardless, Santos is in deep trouble. With the highly credible indictment, it seems likely that Santos is on his way to prison. Yes, he enjoys the presumption of innocence in a court of law, but the court of public opinion is not so obligated or kind. It is extremely unlikely that he will be reelected to his seat if he lasts long enough to face his constituents in the 2024 election.
In the meantime, Santos continues to be the gift that keeps on giving for Democrats. The longer McCarthy and other Republicans defend Santos, the longer Democrats will enjoy and use the talking point this is.
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It appears McCarthy and other Republicans are defending his right to due process. Santos was no stranger to the party that nominated him or the people who voted for him in his NY district. It seems reasonable to allow him his day in court.
Wow, this guy is something else, these charges are easy to prove, I cant believe this guy was stupid enough to have his paycheck deposited into his bank account, I wonder if its the same one the unemployment was deposited into.
I do not disagree, but It's also repugnant to let a snake like that slither about while he awaits his day in court in a justice system that is painfully slow.
They have come to know him better in recent days, haven't they? His donors must be especially proud of him.
"More than half of the charges relate to allegations that Santos solicited donations from political donors and then pocketed the funds for personal expenses." (Source)
Not exactly a scientific survey of party criminality. On the flip side, at the presidential level, the Republicans have the decisive lead.
Sadly, politics is a domain that attracts or develops certain criminals. Some enter the game with criminal intent. Others give into the temptations of power and become corrupt.
Due in part to D known criminals with presidential connections being given passes through the years.
Republicans Not United Behind Santos
Instructive quotes below: (Source)
Rep. Elise Stefanik, Republican of New York and conference chair, asserted that the legal process would “play itself out.”
Other Republicans who aren’t in leadership have been more forceful in their responses. “The people of New York’s 3rd district deserve a voice in congress,” Republican Rep. Tony Gonzalez of Texas wrote on Twitter. “George Santos should be immediately expelled from Congress and a special election initiated at the soonest possible date.”
“We all knew this was where things were heading,” Rep. Nicole Malliotakis of New York told Axios. “The sooner he leaves, the sooner we can win the seat with someone who isn’t a liar.”
Instructive quotes below: (Source)
Rep. Elise Stefanik, Republican of New York and conference chair, asserted that the legal process would “play itself out.”
Other Republicans who aren’t in leadership have been more forceful in their responses. “The people of New York’s 3rd district deserve a voice in congress,” Republican Rep. Tony Gonzalez of Texas wrote on Twitter. “George Santos should be immediately expelled from Congress and a special election initiated at the soonest possible date.”
“We all knew this was where things were heading,” Rep. Nicole Malliotakis of New York told Axios. “The sooner he leaves, the sooner we can win the seat with someone who isn’t a liar.”