What is your cost 2 run per mile?

FEDEXCARHAULER

Seasoned Expediter
you cant get an accurate figure of your profit loss with out useing all your miles,knowing your pay per loaded mile is good,but if you dont know the cost of operating all your miiles,you wont know if the loaded miles are making you or loosing you money
 

DreamTeam44

Seasoned Expediter
Any suggestions on what should/could be added or deleted from this list, these yearly amounts X miles run?
accounting fees
Fuel Expense
Tractor / Bobtail Insurance
Health Insurance
Workmans Comp
Permits / License
Satellite /Qualcomm
Taxes-Fuel
Taxes-Mileage
Taxes-Payroll
Telephone
Tire Expense
Truck Payment
Truck Repair / Maintenance
Weights / Tolls
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What do you spend on average per year on these?
Tolls
Pre-Pass
 

nightcreacher

Veteran Expediter
truck payment isnt an expense,depreciaton and interest on your truck is,thought you been doing this for couple years,what did Werner do, everything for you.Didnt mean to upset you,but just curious
 

FEDEXCARHAULER

Seasoned Expediter
From Reading All Your Posts,i Think You Should Stay Ay Your Present Company,werner.they Seem To Be Holding Your Hand Pretty Well,even If They Dont Have An Acceptable Pay Scale
 

DreamTeam44

Seasoned Expediter
Damn you people with these mightier than thou know it all attitudes are rude, it's really rather hilarious! It looks like expediting has made you rather angry at life in general, maybe to much time on your hands?
Trust me, you won't make our decision for us, your intelligence and your narrow minded outlook is a sad example of expedited O/O business practices. It's really sad to have to deal with this crap!
 

DreamTeam44

Seasoned Expediter
truck payment isnt an expense,depreciaton and interest on your truck is,thought you been doing this for couple years,what did Werner do, everything for you.Didnt mean to upset you,but just curious


You have no idea what werner did or did not do for us, why would you stick foot in mouth on public forum? And be rude !
 

FEDEXCARHAULER

Seasoned Expediter
Your starting to make reading EO exciting.you've been an Owner Opp for how many months? and now your trying to put together a cost annalysis.It doesnt matter if you are in expedite,LTL or truck load,in fact even McyD's uses a cost annalysis.You had expenses playing music,how did you figure your profit then?
 

are12

Expert Expediter
DreamTeam,
Don't pay any attention to the rude comments, sometimes they just get their panties in a bunch! lol

Where was that picture taken in your signature line??
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Someone is certainly putting their foot in their mouth in public here, but it isn't Nightcreature. He even said he didn't mean to upset you, which was very gracious of him, considering the arrogant attitude you've displayed so far. You admit that you know little or nothing about expediting, then blast those who do know, when you don't care for their replies. You make fun of the very same folks you are asking for help - how asinine is that?!
Good luck, Dreamteam, you're going to need a lot of it, when you can't see the forest of knowledge, through the trees of your attitude.
 

DreamTeam44

Seasoned Expediter
Someone is certainly putting their foot in their mouth in public here, but it isn't Nightcreature. He even said he didn't mean to upset you, which was very gracious of him, considering the arrogant attitude you've displayed so far. You admit that you know little or nothing about expediting, then blast those who do know, when you don't care for their replies. You make fun of the very same folks you are asking for help - how asinine is that?!
Good luck, Dreamteam, you're going to need a lot of it, when you can't see the forest of knowledge, through the trees of your attitude.

Yup here is another one that has always been critical of someone that came to this forum for advice, instead we get riduculed, put down, treated like crap......This is getting absolutley HILARIOUS!!!!
We CAN take it!!!!! Cuz many of you with nothing better to do can DISH IT OUT!
 

DreamTeam44

Seasoned Expediter
DreamTeam,
Don't pay any attention to the rude comments, sometimes they just get their panties in a bunch! lol

Where was that picture taken in your signature line??

That picture and many, many more awesome pictures we have from our musician trip there several years ago. This the 'Road Of Death" or officially Stremnaya Road in Bolivia, South America
 

pelicn

Veteran Expediter
That picture and many, many more awesome pictures we have from our musician trip there several years ago. This the 'Road Of Death" or officially Stremnaya Road in Bolivia, South America

The road you refer to "Officially" has been referred to, incorrectly, as the "Stremnaya Road". It's called the North Yungas Road. Just a quick "google" search shows many websites debunking the mis-naming of this road.
Good pictures though :)
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
Just a quick "google" search shows many websites debunking the mis-naming of this road.

And another quick Google search shows the same exact picture on dozens, perhaps hundreds of Web sites, including Bolivian-owned sites.
Good pictures though :)
Yup. ahem...

Beeeee that as is may.....
Damn you people with these mightier than thou know it all attitudes are rude, it's really rather hilarious!
Oh, the irony, the irony.

You come here with a load of self-proclaimed experience, then ask the most uber newbie questions, and when someone notes the paradox you then take a most exalted high and mighty attitudinal perch in order to ridicule and belittle those beneath you.

Yeah, well, we know what our CPM is. So there.
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cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Bravo, Turtle!
You have become my hero, dethroning Fred Flintstone from that long held spot. Higher praise, I cannot offer, than to promise to never eat another bowl of turtle soup, lest I inadvertently deprive the world of another like you. :D Crawl on with pride, terrine.
 

DreamTeam44

Seasoned Expediter
Oh, the irony, the irony.

You come here with a load of self-proclaimed experience, then ask the most uber newbie questions, and when someone notes the paradox you then take a most exalted high and mighty attitudinal perch in order to ridicule and belittle those beneath you.

Yeah, well, we know what our CPM is. So there.
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Please point us to where we proclaimed such experience, we have run our azzes off to the point of not stopping for close to
2 1/2 years, the first 13 months as company drivers, then we bought our truck in January '07, after 260,000 miles later putting many miles on our truck and us, we just recently stopped to take time to investigate our options in the trucking industry.

Yes we have run as many miles in as short of a time as most, for that very reason we were hoping to get some information about how we can better our trucking careers as we continue our education process on revenues and profit margins.

No one has held our hand, in fact we are totally free and clear of any committments to any company, no escrow, no financial obligations other than to our bank and our insurance, we are rookies straight out of a 30 year traveling musician world and we have done pretty well at this yes, that backround set us up to continue our road gypsy lifestyle in trucking as we practice saftey, and continue to learn from others more experienced, we have come a long way in a relativley short time, but we have not proclaimed anything of the sort that you refer to, we know we have a lot to learn, and by god we are gonna do just that.
FACTS ARE FRIENDLY!!!!
There are expenses that our old company paid, plates, tolls, prepass+, only $25 month qualcomm, no escrow, good layover pay, really great bcbs health insurance, since these things were provided at no cost wouldn't ya think we need to know what difference that will make in our operating costs? We did not get reciepts, or totals for those things we never had to pay for so since expediting will make us responsible for those costs, would it not be a good idea to find out details first, or just join up and find out later.
All we have been trying to do is continue our learning curve, many of the recent questions we have asked have been met with many of you telling us to stick it instead of answering politely, what do you expect our response to be, just rollover and take it...that ain't what we are about, we are not gonna be deterred or bullied and we will stand up for ourselves.

For example, we asked what a tractor in this business might spend a year on the things like tolls, prepass+, etc., those things that one of you say werner is holding our hands on, we made the best of that situation, ended up with a great truck so if your bad rapping a certain company because you drove for them and you have knowledge of such, OK, but to bad rap a company with no personal knowledge is FOOLISH!.....If what you refer to is true then holding our hand in that regard means we have not been paying for costs that have meant financial progress for our trucking biz.

We apologize for any time we wasted in many of you telling us to go away...we will do you a favor and do just that. Somewhere someone will continue to lend us the great advice and knowledge we have generally found here, it's been exciting and fun until recently. But we say UNCLE, there is no competing with so many of you that have decided to gang up on us by spending time on 1 post to give each other hi fives, BRAVO and way to go tell em, then a big pat on the back for sticking up for me because I told 'em to stick it, or hey that's telling em man, mang am I proud of you for watching my back and ripping these guys.

Thanks to many of you for your help, and the rest of you that know everything about everyone I hope you don't continue sending new prospective expediters away from this forum.

We think this forum is really a great place to learn about the intricacies of expediting!

With that said, we won't be bothering anyone again with our ridiculous questions and dreams of being successful in the business of expedited trucking.
Be Safe out there and BE HAPPY!
 
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Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
Please point us to where we proclaimed such experience,
Sure, I'd be happy to...
we have run our azzes off to the point of not stopping for close to 2 1/2 years,
uhm.. I...
the first 13 months as company drivers, then we bought our truck in January '07, after 260,000 miles later putting many miles on our truck and us,
Hey!
we just recently stopped to take time to investigate our options in the trucking industry.
Sheesh! You wanna proclaim it all again, or do you want me to point to where you proclaimed such experience? Make up your mind.
Okay, here:
We have a 2006 Classic XL , with Carrier A.P.U., In-Motion Satellite and comforts of home in a '70 Condo, we are both Hazmat endorsed. We have been running 250K miles per year with Werner and are now looking hard at leasing with Panther Expedited... we know what they offer in general and we understand there will be some layover in this game, something we have not had the luxury to enjoy running dedicated 6000 miles a week over the last 2 years. We live in our truck as we do not have a home other than relatives we visit on break and folks-in-law bungalow on their ranch in Iowa for our legal physical address. We stay out 8 weeks then take a couple weeks off wherever we choose to hang.

AND

Look those of you that don't believe we could expedite, well if we choose to expedite I will only say that before we dive in, we will have done enough research in order to committ, if we committ we will be successful as we usually have been in our endeavors....we live on the road, we live in our truck, we do not have huge outstanding debt and/or monthly payments that would not allow us the opportunity to sit when freight is slow, every weekend not a problem, longer not a problem....We are good at what we do, we are good living out on the open road, we have a truck setup with a home like enviornment with comforts to the maximum...

There's more, but that should refresh your memory.

There are expenses that our old company paid, plates, tolls, prepass+, only $25 month qualcomm, no escrow, good layover pay, really great bcbs health insurance, since these things were provided at no cost wouldn't ya think we need to know what difference that will make in our operating costs?
Yeah, I do.

All we have been trying to do is continue our learning curve, many of the recent questions we have asked have been met with many of you telling us to stick it instead of answering politely,...
That may be how you see it, but that ain't what happened. In this thread you asked and the very first response should have given you most of your answers, as the spreadsheet already has typical numbers in place. At the very least it should have given you plenty to think about, plenty to study.

If that reply wasn't to your liking, there was the exchange between Phil and Dave, and while a little askew, there is some good information in there. And nightcreature gave hard numbers for you to ponder. Granted, they weren't the "Here ya go," on a silver platter type answer you're after, but it wasn't exactly telling you where to stick it, either. Then there were several other comments about CPM in general, most particularly Vinnie T's salient comment, "Everyone's CPM is totally different! It's apples and oranges to compare one person to another."

That is correct sir, a team that needs no hometime, we stay out for 8-10 or more weeks at a time, we have an excellant driving record, never had a late delivery, we are OK with the downtime expedited brings, and our goal will to be the best we can possibly be in the expedited business....we love a challenge and adventure, we have done our homework and are ready....

Well, it's a good thing you love challenge and adventure, 'cause you haven't done your homework and you aren't ready.

You then responded with a laundry list of things you want to track insofar as expenses. Did you not even look at that Cost Per Mile Worksheet? If you did, why would you post a sorry laundry list like that? And if you didn't, why on Earth not? In either case, regardless of your answer, it doesn't add up with the experience and research you have gone on about.

Nightcreature pointed out the difference between a truck payment, depreciation and interest, and questioned what all Werner did that you didn't have to take care of. Apparently, he hadn't see a couple of your posts in other threads where you laid all that out. Fedexcarhauler's response was perhaps a little snotty, but that's how it goes on the Internet sometimes. It certainly didn't warrant the responses you posted after that. Not even close.

Cheri nailed you hard, and quite correctly. Don't bite the hand that feeds you, and you did.
 

pelicn

Veteran Expediter
Dreamteam,
You asked about CPM, and you've been "given" the information, but you have to look at it, absorb it and apply it to your situation. If you honestly look at the way this thread has progressed, you will see that many people were willing to help you in your search for information, but YOU also have to help yourself.
This forum has a wealth of information but you have to read it. I realize that wading through thousands of posts might be a little boring sometimes, but it's the way to learn. Good Luck to you.
 
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Vinnie T

Seasoned Expediter
Wow this thread got derailed..lemme try to get it back on track.

It seems most Tractor Trailer O/O average 200-225K a year in gross revenue (some more some less)

Another way to look at this is trying to spend as less of that 200-225k as possible.

How do you do that?

Buy a good used truck. You can find a soild truck say 4-5 years old and pay 30 something thousand dollars verus almost 100k or more brand new (save thousands a year in truck payments)

Buy a truck with a warranty, even a decent after market warranty in case of a major repair such as a motor or transmission

Buy a truck with a motor that gets better then average fuel mileage. Most expeditors seem like Detroits for the MPG..

I prefer to buy a truck that is straight forward to work on, that doesn't have technology or parts that are exotic and hard or expensive to work on. Down time, parts costs, and having these specialty newer drivetrains IMO can cause more delays and higher repair costs in the long run..this is just me talking but I prefer to keep things more straight forward in my trucks

Basically this is a business, try to keep more money in your pocket versus spending more then you have to. I see a lot of O/O with all these heavy chromed out rigs, with big motors and sleepers. Thay are very nice don't get me wrong..but all this adds up and takesit's toll on fuel economy and maintenance costs. A truck is made for working, a Harley Davidson you ride on the weekends is to show off and have chrome IMO. But that's just me..you want to comfortable on the road too..but youcan do it without spending 125K to get started in the business.
 
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