What is the negative side of expediting?

Rocketman

Veteran Expediter
Penske GMC Savanna 3500 tare wt 6756, 16' x 8' x 10'6" box, 177" wheelbase, auto, 323 hp 6.0L gas, 4.10 gears. I saw another thread stating GM curb wt included 165 lbs for driver and full of fuel.

Penske Ford E350 tare wt 8000, same box, 158" wheelbase,auto,255 hp 5.4 L gas, 4.10 gears.

Penske offers decent pricing (10k - 15k) depending on year and milage with 6 month warranty.
All the vans I saw were the cut away box over the rear wheels and 96" was the widest box. None had a pass through door from the cab to the box.

I would like the pass through door into my living space with the entire box sitting above the rear wheels. Maybe raise the box to dock height? Maybe just add a lift gate? Saw several 98" wide boxes listed which I think would be better. Chevy Express 3500 only showed 15' boxes. It would appear to me that a GMC 3500 with a 16' box could be made comfortable and still load 2500 lbs.
It won't work. Believe me, if it would work, you would see dozens of them being used in expedite. There is a reason why they are not being used by expediters, it's not because none of us have looked. It's because we have looked and we know it doesnt work.

If you find one of the 12' single rear wheel cubes, that's about the best setup you can get in a cube and still have some capacity left for freight. The truck your describing above will be an 11-12 mpg truck on good days. You might at least get to 13-14 with the 12' cubes.
 

EasyDoesIt

Active Expediter
If you have the license to drive a T/T, experience, a clean driving record, and you like the work, why would you want to go to a van? There is a high demand for good T/T drivers, you will make much more money, and you will not spend your life sitting in a parking lot...

Driving T/T has advantages and disadvantages just like CV. Parking is a biggie. Trying to park after 9 PM is almost impossible sometimes. Very inconsiderate people driving T/T now. They park stupid taking up 2 places, don't back up far enough making it hard for the other driver to leave or just block you in and go home. Sitting because of a wreck? T/T driver (at least I didn't) just take a ramp without knowing weight restrictions and clearences. Back up 3 miles at night in a rain storm is a great teaching aid. T/T driver needs a bit more room for the 3 point turn. Laundry at the truckstop sucks but T/T can't park at a lot of laundramats. A lot of companies won't let you drop a trailer for any non business reason. Even a lot of truckstops won't let you drop a trailer. Cost to idle a T/T to stay comfortable is frowned upon more and more by companies and states. Not everyone has an APU. "NO" is not usually part of a company driver's vocabulary. I could make good money driving T/T, put up with the big rig hassels or drive a CV with less but different aggravations. No logs right now and most of the time no scales.
 

EasyDoesIt

Active Expediter
It won't work. Believe me, if it would work, you would see dozens of them being used in expedite. There is a reason why they are not being used by expediters, it's not because none of us have looked. It's because we have looked and we know it doesnt work.

If you find one of the 12' single rear wheel cubes, that's about the best setup you can get in a cube and still have some capacity left for freight. The truck your describing above will be an 11-12 mpg truck on good days. You might at least get to 13-14 with the 12' cubes.[/QUOTE

Thanks. I think it is great that we have experienced business men and women in here willing to share information. Now, is mpg the only negative to a Penske type truck? Right now I just thought it was a possible idea. My other idea is probably the one I start with so just bear with me as we kick this idea around. I truely appreciate all the feedback coming in. Thank all of you.

OK, other idea is....I drive a straight truck solo for someone, see how I like the business, maybe buy truck from the owner if it isn't a mechanical nightmare.
 

xiggi

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Driving for someone first is a great way to go. I would not complicate it with wanting one that will sell his truck. There are a lot of used trucks out there.

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Rocketman

Veteran Expediter
Thanks. I think it is great that we have experienced business men and women in here willing to share information......My other idea is probably the one I start with so just bear with me as we kick this idea around. I truely appreciate all the feedback coming in. Thank all of you.
Good job. There are plenty of people here willing to share information with you. You have to be willing to listen to it though. Nothing wrong with coming up with some ideas, but you have to remember that it's likely been kicked around before. Sometimes it has been beat to death even. The cube van ideas are definitely not new. They big 16'ers look good until you really get down to the numbers..then they don't work at all.

Now, is mpg the only negative to a Penske type truck?
Fuel mileage is the negative to any gasoline powered van over a Sprinter. The benefits of the gas burners is that they are a lot easier and cheaper to maintain. I have a gas burner myself because of this. The Penske type cube vans have other negatives to them beside mpg. Although the mpg on the van you described would likely bankrupt you, there are other negatives as well.

1. It is likely a dual rear wheel which adds weight, hurts mpg, and most importantly draws attention from the DOT.

2.It is also very likely to have a GVWR rating of more than 10,000 lbs which will make you a CMV (logs, scales, etc)

3. If somehow you did find the one lone 16' van with a gvwr of 10,000 or less, you would then find that the empty weight is likely close to 7500 lbs or more without you in it. By the time you get your personal stuff in it and you, you will be well over 8,000 lbs and most carriers want at least 2,500 lbs available for cargo.

There may be more that I'm missing, this is just off the top of my head.

OK, other idea is....I drive a straight truck solo for someone, see how I like the business....
BINGO...you have the winning answer! :D You'll notice that I deleted the last part of that though. As xiggi said, forget the buying from an owner stuff. That might work and it might not. Drive for an owner, get some experience, learn what you like and what you don't like about the business. Use the time in the other guy's truck wisely. Track the fuel mileage. Track the maintenance costs, the fuel costs..everything that you have access to..track it and learn it. When you get to the point of being ready for ownership and have cash reserves to make it happen, then you can weigh your options...including the truck your driving for the owner.
 

EasyDoesIt

Active Expediter
Sorry, didn't mean to imply the truck purchase as a condition of employment. I would be more concerned which carrier the truck was leased to.
 

Rocketman

Veteran Expediter
I personally feel that the straight truck is the best place to enter the expedite industry. You'll be more profitable and have a better chance of survival. There are just so many vans out there...always have been. It's the easy way in and that makes for a lot of over capacity. I drive a van now myself, but i drove a straight for a few years first. Because of those few years of experience in the straight, I was able to sign the van onto a great carrier immediately, I had cash reserves to make it work immediately and I know the business fairly well. There has still been a learning curve between the van and the straight...can't imagine having to survive in a van without the benefit of experience in the straight.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
I personally feel that the straight truck is the best place to enter the expedite industry. You'll be more profitable and have a better chance of survival. There are just so many vans out there...always have been. It's the easy way in and that makes for a lot of over capacity. I drive a van now myself, but i drove a straight for a few years first. Because of those few years of experience in the straight, I was able to sign the van onto a great carrier immediately, I had cash reserves to make it work immediately and I know the business fairly well. There has still been a learning curve between the van and the straight...can't imagine having to survive in a van without the benefit of experience in the straight.

Great advice.....Rocketman....:)
 

skyraider

Veteran Expediter
US Navy
What is the negative side of expediting? Another answer is, we don't stay long. I went back in the community list back to 2000 and I don't see many postings here in that time era. Lots of reasons, some posted maybe 5 or 6 times and poof they quit posting. Who knows. There maybe a lot of 10 year veteran expediters somewhere.
 

Rocketman

Veteran Expediter
What is the negative side of expediting? Another answer is, we don't stay long. I went back in the community list back to 2000 and I don't see many postings here in that time era. Lots of reasons, some posted maybe 5 or 6 times and poof they quit posting. Who knows. There maybe a lot of 10 year veteran expediters somewhere.
I know a few...I bet its less than 10% of the industry though?
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
I always tell people when at orientation if there are 10 vanners there, look around, next year at least 8 will not be in the business...shock therapy
 

EasyDoesIt

Active Expediter
I have gone back through several old wannabe threads and it is the same advice back then as it is now. Enter the business driving a straight truck for someone. Well I guess I will start researching straight truck pitfalls. Thanks everyone for taking the time to respond to this thread. Safe journeys.
 

Rocketman

Veteran Expediter
I have gone back through several old wannabe threads and it is the same advice back then as it is now. Enter the business driving a straight truck for someone. Well I guess I will start researching straight truck pitfalls. Thanks everyone for taking the time to respond to this thread. Safe journeys.
Would be...and was...my choice. There is no one answer that fits everyone, but for the most part straight trucks are the most consistent movers. You can learn the industry in a straight truck without starving....generally. If you truly like the business and want to own your own truck, spend that time in a fleet owner's truck doing your research and getting prepared for that step. Its a big one and preparation is the key.
 

BigCat

Expert Expediter
IMHO Straight truck fleet drivers are less likely to fail. I started with panther last year after leaving a job with nothing in the bank. I went to orientation with $50 in my pocket and today have my bills paid up for a few months and enough in the bank i could probably live really well for a bit if anything were to limit me from driving. I cant say i would be this well off if I started in a van for a fleet owner.

Yes people have done it but not everyone in a van has the same success rate in this business.
 

usaf6186

Veteran Expediter
From an old post in the general forum;

waiting, living in parking lots, traffic around big cities, driving while dangerously sleep deprived, having to cook in my van because it's too inconvenient to wait at a healthy restaurant, driving in bad weather, sleeping in noisy parking lots, getting excited about a load then having it cancel, empty promises from my carrier, knowing I'm extremely expendable to my carrier, being at the mercy of the unpredictable and illogical price of gas, repeatedly exposing myself to the high probability of a traffic accident for very little in return, unfriendly border patrol agents, waiting hours to load because of this or that all for a canceled load, being alone and nomadic (was great the first 4 years then got old fast, humans are not designed to be alone), wondering if I'm in a bad neighborhood while parked overnight to sleep, being ready to go home for the weekend then getting a load going the opposite direction (almost never fails), getting no explanation as to why I was passed over on a certain load and that I need to "just trust the system", driving in the north east, virtually every aspect of driving in New York, paying a high monthly fee for a Qualcomm unit and being asked what my location is all the time, having to refuse trips to: Ohio because there's always too many trucks there, Indiana and Chicago because there is hardly any long runs from there and most runs are low paying, Detroit and Buffalo because most runs from there just go into Canada, down south because there is not much freight coming out of there, North East because there is no good place to layover, remote parts of anywhere because my carrier didn't want to pay for me to relocate, getting knocks on my door at 2:30 am from police wondering what I'm doing, getting to a pickup just to find the shipper clueless as to what I'm picking up, getting to the shipper just to find my freight was loaded on another truck and is gone, being woke up for really low paying offers, refusing a low paying offer and then being offered again for $10 more, and again and again...the false belief that my carrier has my best interest in mind, being woke up at 2am by the street cleaner at Walmart, calling Walmart my second home, trying to convince myself that my lifestyle IS better than most homeless people's, driving on Michigan's horrible roads, huge detours/traffic jams because of accidents/construction, trying to find safe places to jog or bike, thinking I have my "own" business just because I'm not legally employed by anyone, being snowed in at a parking lot in the middle of nowhere, having it rain and feeling like I live in a tin can, sleeping in my sleeping bag in fridged weather, not having immediate access to running water or a hot shower with out being at a truck stop or motel, constantly refueling my generator if I want heat in the winter or coolness in the summer, dealing with inconsiderate 18 wheelers, (for example when they go 80mph down a hill and 40mph up the next hill), day to day unpredictability of the industry, stiff backs, ..... just to name a couple things.

I think the poster was kinda burned out. Jerry Lee
 

jaminjim

Veteran Expediter
Just a question, if you want to own a van, why not consider driving a T/T for an owner? The extra money you could make compared to the straight truck would pay for half the van.
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I think the greatest down side to this expediting thing is the picking up and delivering of freight and dealing with the shippers and consignees. Other than that, this is a pretty cool job.
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
I think it'd be perfect if I could just stay in one place - every time I find a great parking spot, I have to go somewhere else. ;)
 
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