What happening with Panther???
- Thread starter Zoli
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I wouldn't think so. The van wouldn't be operating under Panther's authority.
They can set their own policies in-house, and enforce them (the lease contract says so) but they can't enforce them onto another authority unless the Partner Carrier Agreement or the specific load offer allowed for it.
Just because you're an independent contractor leased on with a carrier, doesn't mean you're am employee (which is where this discussion is trying to go). Different rules apply for someone running under their own authority, just like different rules apply to an o/o driving their own vehicle as opposed to someone who drives for a fleet owner. If you don't like the rules and restrictions placed on you by a fleet owner, get your own truck. If you don't like the rules and restrictions placed on you by a carrier, get your own authority. It's all good.
Just because you're an independent contractor leased on with a carrier, doesn't mean you're am employee (which is where this discussion is trying to go). Different rules apply for someone running under their own authority, just like different rules apply to an o/o driving their own vehicle as opposed to someone who drives for a fleet owner. If you don't like the rules and restrictions placed on you by a fleet owner, get your own truck. If you don't like the rules and restrictions placed on you by a carrier, get your own authority. It's all good.
Scuba
Veteran Expediter
On this issue you are right the council has nothing to do with this policy. Most of the time the swap desk will try to split the miles. But if there isn't anyone that is willing to go to the swap point then they have to look for other places where they have trucks. It's just that simple when it comes to a swap. The guys talking about having a Canada load that has miles but doesn't swap that is because they can't find someone to take the Canada half. for the cargo vans yes it is a cya program Panther or any company would be stupid to let a driver take a load over a certian number of miles/ hours. We live in a world of law suits a lawyer sees that you were on a load and driving for 20 hrs how hard do you think it would be to get a court to rule against you and the carrier? They would get punitive damages big time. Allowing you to run 20 hrs or more could be gross indifference to safety.
I am surprised that this thread has went has long as it has. Lets cut to the chase. The reality is, it is a liability issue. Doesn't mean a swap happens every time, but it is minimizing risks.
Nothing hard to understand.
But just in case.
If you carry say 1 mil in liability and kill someone because you drove say 20 hours, (example provided above), and you get a judgement against you for 3 mil, who do you think they are coming after? Answer................both
Don't need to. The insurance and liability is on you. You screw up, and guess who they are coming after? That is why your insurance would be higher than someone leased. If by chance it isn't, you have inadequate coverage.
Never ASSUME something. In today's world, 1 mil, isn't hard to reach in a lawsuit.
Since I have done both, let me put this to rest. With regards to whether one is independent or not, look at it this way.
You have your own authority but as you have posted, you are reliant on your sole customer, or you have to look elsewhere.
Unless you have a personal/relative connection, only the fool would think your account/customer is untouchable.
Some thought that a year ago, and take a look now. Never assume something.
Being leased isn't much different other than the customer is Panther. In my case, I can go solicit business from whomever I want just as you can.
Just have to have a carrier that provides that flexibility.
I think in your case, you are more vulnerable because of higher costs and reliance on a single customer. A carrier has many, or......either one (yourself included) can go to another carrier or source for a contract.
Had to throw another penny in.
Nothing hard to understand.
But just in case.
If you carry say 1 mil in liability and kill someone because you drove say 20 hours, (example provided above), and you get a judgement against you for 3 mil, who do you think they are coming after? Answer................both
Don't need to. The insurance and liability is on you. You screw up, and guess who they are coming after? That is why your insurance would be higher than someone leased. If by chance it isn't, you have inadequate coverage.
Never ASSUME something. In today's world, 1 mil, isn't hard to reach in a lawsuit.
Since I have done both, let me put this to rest. With regards to whether one is independent or not, look at it this way.
You have your own authority but as you have posted, you are reliant on your sole customer, or you have to look elsewhere.
Unless you have a personal/relative connection, only the fool would think your account/customer is untouchable.
Some thought that a year ago, and take a look now. Never assume something.
Being leased isn't much different other than the customer is Panther. In my case, I can go solicit business from whomever I want just as you can.
Just have to have a carrier that provides that flexibility.
I think in your case, you are more vulnerable because of higher costs and reliance on a single customer. A carrier has many, or......either one (yourself included) can go to another carrier or source for a contract.
Had to throw another penny in.
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Zoli
Veteran Expediter
@Davekc
You missed the point. We do not have anything against the swap. Our point was ,if they give you a load ,why they not tell you from the start that you will have to swap the load and the city.In this way you have all the info in front of you and you can take the best decision. It's takes a dispatch 2-3 minutes I think. What do you think, how a driver feel when he has 1200 miles and after 350 the QC is beeping for a transfer? We are not whining , we are not protesting ,I just think that in this way We can give the drivers more RESPECT ....but I think we ask for to much.
You missed the point. We do not have anything against the swap. Our point was ,if they give you a load ,why they not tell you from the start that you will have to swap the load and the city.In this way you have all the info in front of you and you can take the best decision. It's takes a dispatch 2-3 minutes I think. What do you think, how a driver feel when he has 1200 miles and after 350 the QC is beeping for a transfer? We are not whining , we are not protesting ,I just think that in this way We can give the drivers more RESPECT ....but I think we ask for to much.
I drove 40 miles to pick up this 1133 mile run from GA to Laredo, waited 100 minutes to load (including a fire drill at the plant), I was told later my time would be up at 12:01 AM and a swap was required. I then was instructed to give up the load at 5:30 pm (6 and 1/2 hours and 800 miles early). I have aproblem with only getting 30% of the total miles but 100% of the waiting time and pickup miles.
Dreammaker
Seasoned Expediter
Dan,
If you are leased to Panther or work for on owner who is leased to Panther, swaps happen. Sometimes they can be frustrating. However, without swaps, solo drivers would end up getting fewer miles per month. Most often you can judge from the number of miles in a pro that you will most likely have to swap part of the load. Since I don't drive a van, I don't know what the breakout is for vans. I saw one post that said if you get a load that is longer than 700 miles you will most likely be looking at a swap. Go to the Panther board on this site, ask as many questions as you need to. We have a large group of successful van drivers who can offer advice, wisdom, and occasionally large dollops of humor.
Two things: 1. Don't focus on one or two loads. That is too small a sample to determine your monthly gross. Look at your totals for the month. You don't have to get every mile out of every load to be financially successful. 2. While you got the smaller share of miles in the load you mentioned, there will be times when you get the lion's share. For the most part, it evens out over time.
Best of luck to you. Hang in there. If you keep at it, your "luck" will improve.
If you are leased to Panther or work for on owner who is leased to Panther, swaps happen. Sometimes they can be frustrating. However, without swaps, solo drivers would end up getting fewer miles per month. Most often you can judge from the number of miles in a pro that you will most likely have to swap part of the load. Since I don't drive a van, I don't know what the breakout is for vans. I saw one post that said if you get a load that is longer than 700 miles you will most likely be looking at a swap. Go to the Panther board on this site, ask as many questions as you need to. We have a large group of successful van drivers who can offer advice, wisdom, and occasionally large dollops of humor.
Two things: 1. Don't focus on one or two loads. That is too small a sample to determine your monthly gross. Look at your totals for the month. You don't have to get every mile out of every load to be financially successful. 2. While you got the smaller share of miles in the load you mentioned, there will be times when you get the lion's share. For the most part, it evens out over time.
Best of luck to you. Hang in there. If you keep at it, your "luck" will improve.
Actually Dave my insurance coverage is adequate and is cheaper than if I was leased to a carrier. I also have more than one customer and I'm not quite sure where you got the idea that I only have one. The though to ponder was hypothetical but I will assume you though that I only had a partner carrier agreement with panther and that would be foolish. In reality I deal with only shippers directly, no partner carriers or brokers. I have found this works best for me. Customers do change and some I hauled for three years ago I don't haul for now and some I haul for now I didn't haul for three years ago. Three years from now I may have a different customer list than I have now, only time will tell.
yes your correct
Scuba
Veteran Expediter
Chris at the swap desk will send you the swap info as soon as he gets it. Just because you took the load doesn't mean he found someone to swap it with. It may take him several hours to get someone to take the load and if no one will take it then they will have to build in time for rest.
Man, you just missed ranting to your rep.
He was the one who took over your run.
He was the one who took over your run.
Mike99
Veteran Expediter
TriState has half of Panther vehicles, but when they give you a load with transfer ,they give you the miles and the transfer location.So it's not takes several hours to find out....Wrong answer my friend....
Mike99
Veteran Expediter
Enough Already!!!!!!!!
This is unbelievable!!!!!
Why hasn't a Moderater moved this thread to the Panther site under Carrier Forums - where it belongs?
Who are you to say when it's enough? If you don't like this forum please go back to sleep in your van....Junior....
TriState has half of Panther vehicles, but when they give you a load with transfer ,they give you the miles and the transfer location.So it's not takes several hours to find out....Wrong answer my friend....
The title of this thread is: What happening with Panther??? Not What happening with TriState. Wrong thread my friend.
At Panther, dispatch, customer service, safety and the swap department all get involved. That in itself should explain why it takes several hours. For vans a load over 800 miles will get flagged for the safety department. Safety will check the driver's progress and delivery time to determine if a swap will be necessary. Then it gets handed off to the swap desk to find another van and a location for the swap. That what happening with Panther.