What happened to Eclipse Expediting?

Noname

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
US Navy
I contracted with Eclipse a few years ago, so can only speak about the past. At that time, they had the same cargo van insurance requirements as any other company I was familiar with. My insurance was with CIS and Eclipse was listed thereon. I paid the insurance premiums and CIS verified to Eclipse that my coverage was in force.

I never got a rate with Eclipse below .80 per mile, almost always above that. Dispatchers were advised that they couldn't quote any rates below .80 to the van. The staff I talked with, including owner, were always respectful and helpful.
 

ntimevan

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I don't think anyone said they were running down rates.....there is plenty of blame to spread around for everyone...
I think the creation of Roadrunner Expedite aka Active Arrow brokerage, has taken quite a few loads off the load boards as they are the primary source of JD loads..IMO....OR EPO is loading up their own trucks with NLM before everyone else.....just one of many reasons for the change of this business....

I have heard of Active Aero .... did some of their loads when I was leased to Bolt .... and I have seen some Roadrunner Expedite Promasters ..Beep Beep ....:D
 

crich

Expert Expediter
Fleet Manager
US Navy
they still have broker authority. I ran with them on and off for 2 years really a pretty good outfit.never ran a load under .90 per mile. and would look for them to or may have already restructured under a different brand.we parted on less than desirable terms once I had my own authority. I left from a shipper once I found out freight was not ready when I arrived and would not be for like 5 hours. the rate they offered for detention was just not in line with what I charge but still was a good outfit none the less.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
they still have broker authority. I ran with them on and off for 2 years really a pretty good outfit.never ran a load under .90 per mile. and would look for them to or may have already restructured under a different brand.we parted on less than desirable terms once I had my own authority. I left from a shipper once I found out freight was not ready when I arrived and would not be for like 5 hours. the rate they offered for detention was just not in line with what I charge but still was a good outfit none the less.

over my years I've noticed most upstarts are reasonable.....they start up with a different twist then the next guy...but in the end...they all end up looking pretty much the same....its like we always say....it comes down to personal preference of what the contractors expectations are of this biz as well....the bad carrier for you, might be a great carrier for me and so on...
 

mikedrives191

Rookie Expediter
The problem with having an expensive insurance policy for a new carrier is that it crushes the company. Lets day I invest thousands to get the highest level of Sylectus, then a iron clad insurance policy, decals on my trucks, and tracking devices. That is all find and dandy, but that doesn't guarantee anyone will give me a load for one of my trucks! You almost have to start out like Murray did, with one truck, on a scheduled auto policy for that one truck, run many loads yourself with your wife helping dispatch you, then slowly build up your reputation while adding a new O/O here and there once business picks up.

It would take too much money to go into a completely professional level right out of the gate unless you had that kind of money to invest. Most mom and pop operations don't have that kind of money. I could have all the bells and whistles for under 50k, but would I have enough loads to keep my trucks busy if I didn't personally go out for a year in my own cargo van/straight truck and build up a solid carrier reputation from the ground up? The way Murray did it is the right way.

But what about someone who cannot drive because of some sort of physical limitation? How would they be able to start a carrier operation with minimal funds, be properly insured without making their drivers cover their own liability and cargo insurance, and still get enough business to make a go at it? That is where the problem is. You almost have to go a year without making a dime to be in business for a year just to even get loads from most of the brokers out there. That is not good logic. But that is how it is now of course. I hope Eclipse does get a new brand and continue to operate as a player in the game once again.
 
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mikedrives191

Rookie Expediter
There should be some sort of incentive for companies who are new who do things professionally. Lets say that brokers don't require vetted companies to be in business for six months or a year before they broker out freight to them. If a new company does background checks on their drivers, equipment inspections once a year, provides blanket cargo insurance, has a small office with 24/7 dispatch, tracking units, decals on their trucks, and all that stuff. Perhaps they should be awarded the loads based on having professional business practices and not the cheapest price or some arbitrary buddy buddy system. A carrier can make all of those investments, be the best, and they are still going to get outbid and undercut by the rest. It's a shame things are the way they are.
 

jelliott

Veteran Expediter
Motor Carrier Executive
US Army
The problem with having an expensive insurance policy for a new carrier is that it crushes the company. Lets day I invest thousands to get the highest level of Sylectus, then a iron clad insurance policy, decals on my trucks, and tracking devices. That is all find and dandy, but that doesn't guarantee anyone will give me a load for one of my trucks! You almost have to start out like Murray did, with one truck, on a scheduled auto policy for that one truck, run many loads yourself with your wife helping dispatch you, then slowly build up your reputation while adding a new O/O here and there once business picks up.

It would take too much money to go into a completely professional level right out of the gate unless you had that kind of money to invest. Most mom and pop operations don't have that kind of money. I could have all the bells and whistles for under 50k, but would I have enough loads to keep my trucks busy if I didn't personally go out for a year in my own cargo van/straight truck and build up a solid carrier reputation from the ground up? The way Murray did it is the right way.

But what about someone who cannot drive because of some sort of physical limitation? How would they be able to start a carrier operation with minimal funds, be properly insured without making their drivers cover their own liability and cargo insurance, and still get enough business to make a go at it? That is where the problem is. You almost have to go a year without making a dime to be in business for a year just to even get loads from most of the brokers out there. That is not good logic. But that is how it is now of course. I hope Eclipse does get a new brand and continue to operate as a player in the game once again.


Mike,

With all due respect.... If a company does not have the financial resources to do it legal, proper and right then they shouldn't start a company? No different than a driver buying a truck to become an owner operator without any cash reserve or being over extended out the gate. It is not and never will be a solid way to start a company. Most any business book you will read will tell you not to plan on making any profit for a year or more. I agree that Murray did it right from everything I have seen and he also had many years of experience that he brought to the table from the office side. He didn't start his company out of his living room, with bogus insurance and try to become a big carrier in months.

Personally, if you cant do it right then don't go into the business or work and save until you can do it right. Shortcuts people take (like insurance) only place everyone else at risk for the greater good of one person.
 

Murraycroexp

Veteran Expediter
You could take the load they just posted, offering $0.69 CPM TOTAL rate!! No, not out of TX or south FL either. Ugh!!!

For a TEAM.
 
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Murraycroexp

Veteran Expediter
Preface......
I have permission to post this from Michael High, owner of MDH Expediting.
Mike owns MDH and has been handling the brokerage side of Eclipse Expediting for quite some time.
There have been "issues" lately at Eclipse that ended in the carrier side of Eclipse shutting down and Michael High forwarding his asset company.
MDH Expediting & E-Logistics are NOT rebrands of Eclipse Expediting.

Mike and Crossroads Express have worked before on loads and I got a little curious.

Mike comes on EO, but only as a guest as of right now.
Just to set the record a little more straight.
 

Opel2010

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Everyone is operating cheap these days. It's mostly the bigger carriers. Panther pays 70 cents per mile plus a 14 cent per mile fuel surcharge. That is 84 cents per mile for a cargo van. The lowest rate I ever had at Eclipse was for 80 cents per mile "all in!" .

If you count the expenses that one have with Panther or any other carrier that forces the o/o to use their satellite communication, occupational, some other hidden fees, you'll realize that you're making more money with a smaller carrier than a well-known one...
 

Murraycroexp

Veteran Expediter
If you count the expenses that one have with Panther or any other carrier that forces the o/o to use their satellite communication, occupational, some other hidden fees, you'll realize that you're making more money with a smaller carrier than a well-known one...

One of our guys did the math, and shared his numbers with me. It was amazing how very close the all mile numbers were as well as total costs. Every company is different though. And this year's market is certainly much different than last year's.
 

Opel2010

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
The staff I talked with, including owner, were always respectful and helpful.

I drove for them few years ago, along with other two carriers. The last day with them was when the owner called me to do a shorty from Monroe, MI to Romulus, MI while I was in Madison Heights, at home. Since I turned down that generous offer, he got mad at me and he said if I'm not doing it, then I'm out. I told him "so long"...
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
One of our guys did the math, and shared his numbers with me. It was amazing how very close the all mile numbers were as well as total costs. Every company is different though. And this year's market is certainly much different than last year's.
I've always said....by the time everyone sorts thru what each carriers does....by the time you clear ut all the smoke and mirrors....I am betting we are all pretty close within a .05 of each other....its just the path to get there....
 
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Murraycroexp

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I've always said....by the time everyone sorts thru what each carriers does....by the time you clear ut all the smoke and mirrors....I am betting we are all pretty close within a .05 of each other....its just the path to get there....

Yeah, it's gotta really be difficult sifting through the many, many differences in carriers.
What may be important to one driver means not a dang thing to another.

We don't have driver showers at our house, although we've offered a shower and a spare bed several times. Not yet taken up on, though. ;)
 
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