WHAT ARE OUR HOURLY WAGE(s) ??

hedgehog

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I know not all expediters drive the same type of vehicle. But, none the less, it is still the driver's bottom line.

Approximately how much an hour does your vehicle/business generate for you? Include all hours from when you leave your home, until you arrive back. Be it 3 hours or even 3 months.

Divide the NET INCOME by the hours worked.

Be safe.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
I don't figure work time as time just doing work, but time being in service and having the truck avalible. The reason for that is that the truck and driver (me) are tied up and can't go and do something involved - I guess it is a throw back from the IT days.

As of today (and not counting the last couple days of air freight debacle thanks to US customs) my effective rate is around $8.25 an hour with the cr unit.

The van was figured out at $3.57 an hour.
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
If I figured out my hourly rate I would have to drown my sorrows with NyQuil.
 

fastman_1

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
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LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Calculating all the hours from leaving till returning isn't realistic for comparison unless you take the weekly wage earned at a stay at home job and divide it by 168. You aren't paid for hours sleeping in the bed at home so why count those hours when in the truck? I understand the argument that at home you are free and in the truck you aren't but that doesn't make it a valid comparison of hourly compensation. You are just as free to leave the truck and go into a museum as you are to leave your house and go into a museum. You may only get to look for 10 minutes until you are paged but you could just as easily be on call at home and get paged after 10 minutes. There isn't an exact comparison. You would be most accurate comparing how much you made during how many hours you spent on line 3 and 4 during the time you were on the road. That's your hourly compensation rate.

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hedgehog

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
>Calculating all the hours from leaving till returning isn't
>realistic for comparison unless you take the weekly wage
>earned at a stay at home job and divide it by 168. You
>aren't paid for hours sleeping in the bed at home so why
>count those hours when in the truck? I understand the
>argument that at home you are free and in the truck you
>aren't but that doesn't make it a valid comparison of hourly
>compensation. You are just as free to leave the truck and go
>into a museum as you are to leave your house and go into a
>museum. You may only get to look for 10 minutes until you
>are paged but you could just as easily be on call at home
>and get paged after 10 minutes. There isn't an exact
>comparison. You would be most accurate comparing how much
>you made during how many hours you spent on line 3 and 4
>during the time you were on the road. That's your hourly
>compensation rate.
>
>Leo Bricker, 73's K5LDB, OOIDA Life Member 677319
>Owner, Panther trucks 5508, 5509, 5641
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When you are in the truck, sleeping, eating, waiting for another run, you are under a controlled environment. Your carrier, government(s) all impose conditions during living in that truck.

There are only certain places you can park if choose to sleep. Only certain beverages are allowed. Even laws governing self-protection are different when your off-duty OTR.

Another example: A non-expediter goes to work at the office, garage, school, etc., etc. That person makes $750 per week. They work an average 8 hour day, and spend 2 hours total stuck in traffic everyday.

Their net per hour wage would be: $15 per all hours pertaining to their job.

These same people will not live in their vehicle waiting for another opportunity to make more money after their current workday is over.

One more quick example: You pu a great run from Livonia, MI delivering in Laredo, TX. You then have to wait an uncertain amount of time before you are able to leave for whatever reason.

Same scenario as above except now you are a civilian and you decide to drive to Laredo. You conduct your business and now you can instantly leave if you choose.

The point of my question: Once you leave home, the clock starts. And, as long as you are sitting, sleeping whatever else you do in the truck, you are only there waiting for your next job. And that takes time. Time is money.

Be safe
 

jaminjim

Veteran Expediter
NO, nope, wrong. (in my opinon) Does the car saleman then only use the 45 minutes that he writes up the contract. I can see your point Leo, but it would be better to deduct just the sleeper birth time that is required by the DOT. We can not say "Waiting is part of the job" and then say you can't count waiting.
 

jaminjim

Veteran Expediter
As of today (and not counting the last couple days of air freight debacle thanks to US customs) my effective rate is around $8.25 an hour with the cr unit.

What was the "deacle"? And why would you not count it? $8.25 per hour is real, real good. I was closer to $2.50. But counted all hours untill I got back to the house.
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I can and have gone to museums etc. while out on the road. I am not required to be in the truck cab or sleeper other than while on a PRO. The rest of the time is my time just the same as the doctor on call. He isn't required to sit in the doctor's lounge, just to be available as needed. Anyone can calaculate anything any way they choose to. When I'm not on line 3 or 4 I am not working. I am using my time however I choose to use it. That time isn't part of my work hours any more than the overnite hours when I worked retail. For a job at home it's the hours from opening the door to leave the house until opening the door to enter the house upon returning. For expediting it's the hours between PTI and PTI.

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jaminjim

Veteran Expediter
So that car salesman when responding to his wifes question about the hours he will work that day, says to his wife "well honey funny you should ask that. You see Leo said that I should count the hours from the time I walk out the door at home untill I return to the house. But when my boss at work said the work day starts at 9:00 am I thought I should leave earlier to get to work by nine. but anyway honey I regress I don't know what hours I will work (if any) because I may not have any customers come in to buy a car today. So Leo said that in that case I would not even work at all. honey I am confused"
And some Doctors do stay in the lounge waiting to chop and dice if they are needed. But did they work that night or not? Does the bartender work if no customers show up the first three hours?
 

hedgehog

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
>I can and have gone to museums etc. while out on the road. I
>am not required to be in the truck cab or sleeper other than
>while on a PRO. The rest of the time is my time just the
>same as the doctor on call. He isn't required to sit in the
>doctor's lounge, just to be available as needed. Anyone can
>calaculate anything any way they choose to. When I'm not on
>line 3 or 4 I am not working. I am using my time however I
>choose to use it. That time isn't part of my work hours any
>more than the overnite hours when I worked retail. For a job
>at home it's the hours from opening the door to leave the
>house until opening the door to enter the house upon
>returning. For expediting it's the hours between PTI and
>PTI.
>
>Leo Bricker, 73's K5LDB, OOIDA Life Member 677319
>Owner, Panther trucks 5508, 5509, 5641
>Highway Watch Participant, Truckerbuddy
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You can go to a museum, restaurant, dog show, as long as you remain tethered to your vehicle, and that's where the difference lies.

You go to the museum. Your pager goes off. You may have too leave immediately to generate an income.

Have you ever been in Laredo, TX waiting for a load only to say "I think I'll leave my truck here, and visit the Chicago Business and Science Museum"?

Anyways, that's my opinion and my question.

I would very much be interested in an answer within these parameters.

Be safe.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Well I got to say we are contractors, which applying to our work when we are 'in service' which is just like being on call in a salary position.

The thing I am getting at is even if I am at home, I am avalible and unable to do just anything because of the need to move quickly to pick up the load. I can't just get started on re-roofing the roof or start painting a car because of my committment to be avalible at a moments notice.

So I take the in service time as my indicator of the time I spend working for FedEx.

jaminjim asked what the debacle was? well I was waiting for a load to arrive from Memphis and the FDA had it on hold which they would not release it for the short plane ride here. I got detention time but missed out on the load - the truck holding it is bringing it here. I already got a load for saturday and may have one for sunday. At least I got the truck better organized.
 

terryandrene

Veteran Expediter
Safety & Compliance
US Coast Guard
I don't agree with the sanity of accounting this way but a response to the question asked is as follows.

An expediter that maintains a 70% availability will be on call, on duty, or on duty not driving for 255 days annually. If the expediter nets $50,000, before taxes, he will have earned $196.08 daily, or $8.17 each hour, sleeping or not. WOW, that's better than minimum wage.

Don't count 8 hours a day cummulatively napping and sleeping, and another 2 half hour meal breaks. Your hourly pay will be $13.07
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I was in car sales for a while. I had to be at the dealer 9-9. That would be line 3 or 4. I had to leave the house at 830 and get home at 930. That would be work time also so my hours for that day would be 13 hours. It's perfectly clear but it disagrees with what it appears you are looking for. That's fine.

I can spend all day in the museum if I choose to. Just because I get called doesn't mean I have to take the job offered. I have just as much freedom as I do if I'm home and they call me.

No, I can't go to the Purgatory museum when I'm in Laredo just as I can't go there when I'm home or in Akron or Tulsa or Reno or elsewhere. That was never the point.

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davekc

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Staff member
Fleet Owner
I would agree with Terry in that only on duty hours can really be counted. Yes you are away from home, but that is part of the job description as well as a benefit.
The guy sitting behind a desk in North Dakota freezing his behind off, isn't feeling your pain sitting here in FL at the beach waiting on a load.








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hedgehog

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I'm not sure what is so difficult about this question.

Divide your net income by the total hours you spent away from home.

One final example:

Suppose your best friend, relative, said to you: "What was your net income for 2006?

And, how many hours were you away from home in able to accomplish this?

Be safe
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
What does it matter what you make an hour? A contract job is a contract job. A salary job is a salary job. And an hourly job is an hourly job. We're talking apples, oranges, and bananas here. Trying to make a contract job into an hourly job just gives you fruit salad.

Only way I can answer this is: If I'm on a load, I make approx $28.50/hr. If I'm sitting, I'm not making anything.

"If I claim to be a wise man, it surely means that I don't know." - Kansas
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
It's not difficult at all. It's only a matter of whether you count every millisecond from walking out the door to walking back in or just those hours actually working. You are fixated on counting every second and can't acknowledge that isn't the way everyone figures it. When my best friend gets sent to London for work is he working every moment from leaving home to returning from London or just those hours when he's actually doing his engineering job in London? He's free to go to the museums or theater or whatever knowing he might be called back in at any time.. pretty much the same as how it works for us. He isn't working 24/7 for two weeks though so calculating his hourly rate based on 24/7 isn't accurate. Sleeping hours are not working hours no matter where you are sleeping or working. Asleep is asleep regardless.

Leo Bricker, 73's K5LDB, OOIDA Life Member 677319
Owner, Panther trucks 5508, 5509, 5641
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slfisher45

Expert Expediter
Hedgehog,
I was listening to the radio the other day. The talk show host quoted a study group that determined there are three groups of people. I can't tell you who did the study because, at the time, it seemed more humorous then serious, but after reading this thread I am not sure.

They determined the three groups of people fall into one of three categories..

People that get it!

People that don't get it!

People that don't get, but don't have a clue they don't get it!


Get it?
 
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