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casmom

Active Expediter
Hi
I need to find out if I can drive cargo van OTR if I'm on insulin.
I was a class A driver but couldn't continue after diagnosed with diabetes. I really miss driving and was told to check into driving vehicles under 10000lbs.does anyone know if DOT physical will shoot me out if insulin is detected?
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Because of all the crap I go through every year to drive I have a serious bad attitude about the issue of lying on the DOT physical on this issue, so from my point of view, if you lie on the DOT physical, you should be banned from driving a commercial vehicle for life.

With that said, apply for a waiver and document everything, from your readings to your diet to your doctor's appointments.
 

casmom

Active Expediter
I never said a thing about lying! I fully intended to inform DOT at time of physical, sorry if I worded my question offensively. my question was: can I drive OTR in a cargo van while on insulin or does DOT not allow it at all. If I can with a waiver that's what I needed to know. But I did not want to waste my time or recruiters time if not allowed and I thought here would be best place to find out with all the knowledge out there.My doctor said he doesn't see a problem with it because it stays well controlled.I know I can drive local but I want to go back over road.
 

mcavoy33

Seasoned Expediter
You don't need a DOT physical to drive a cargo vans. However, some carriers *might require it, I don't know. But to drive a cargo van, you don't need a physical, you don't need to log, all you need is a valid driver's licence.
 

casmom

Active Expediter
Thanks Mca!
I have a friend that drives for All-types(I think) fleet owner, she says they require class B license even though it's a cargo van.
but she doen't know about physical and insulin. I guess best thing to do would be call company I'm wanting to drive for:)
I just really wanted to know before I got my hopes up
 

paullud

Veteran Expediter
Thanks Mca!
I have a friend that drives for All-types(I think) fleet owner, she says they require class B license even though it's a cargo van.
but she doen't know about physical and insulin. I guess best thing to do would be call company I'm wanting to drive for:)
I just really wanted to know before I got my hopes up

Hopefully it isn't All Types. Cargo vans don't require a DOT physical because they are not regulated but some companies will have you get one, it will vary by company.

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BillChaffey

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
US Navy
I believe it would be in your best interest to stay away from "All Types". A class B is a CDL. I think most out fits will ask for a physical to protect themselves.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
I didn't say you were but the way I read into it was that you wouldn't disclose the fact.

The bigger issue is the carrier, if they are using vans and require a CDL, then they should also require a DOT physical.
 

casmom

Active Expediter
Hey
Thanks everyone for the info it is all helpful! But my initial question still remains unanswered
If I want to drive a cargo van that the company requires Class B and have to have a DOT physical, will I pass if I'm taking insulin? and am otherwise healthy. Does DOT allow insulin drivers OTR in a cargo van?
 

paullud

Veteran Expediter
Hey
Thanks everyone for the info it is all helpful! But my initial question still remains unanswered
If I want to drive a cargo van that the company requires Class B and have to have a DOT physical, will I pass if I'm taking insulin? and am otherwise healthy. Does DOT allow insulin drivers OTR in a cargo van?

Actually your question has been answered a few times now. The DOT does not regulate cargo vans so they have zero influence, the company may go the extra steps and require you to pass a DOT physical, but that is up to the company just like requiring a class B that you don't need. You will have to pass the same DOT physical if you have a class B or if the company wants you to pass a physical just because.

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Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
"Does DOT allow insulin drivers OTR in a cargo van?"

Yes, they do. They also allow insulin OTR drivers in Honda Civics and Toyota Priuses. The reason they allow it is, the DOT does not regulate cargo vans or Honda Civics or Toyota Priuses.


"If I want to drive a cargo van that the company requires Class B and have to have a DOT physical, will I pass if I'm taking insulin?"

No, you will not pass. Insulin use in any form will prevent you from obtaining a CDL.
 

AMonger

Veteran Expediter
"Does DOT allow insulin drivers OTR in a cargo van?"

Yes, they do. They also allow insulin OTR drivers in Honda Civics and Toyota Priuses. The reason they allow it is, the DOT does not regulate cargo vans or Honda Civics or Toyota Priuses.


"If I want to drive a cargo van that the company requires Class B and have to have a DOT physical, will I pass if I'm taking insulin?"

No, you will not pass. Insulin use in any form will prevent you from obtaining a CDL.

No, wait a minute...there are waivers now. Started that a few years ago.

But as for this guy, as long as he stays away from the web of the big boys, he probably won't even need a CDL or physical at all.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Well seeing we have a couple people who have gone through the process, it may be prudent to hear from them on the subject.

Seeing that the info I get has come from a few companies, it is safe to consider that it is the insurance company who dictates to the carrier what they need to do and not to do. If the insurance company says "you should have CDL drivers in all your vehicles" then the carrier will more or less do what they say.

The real issue is how the health of the driver affects their safety, even if the van is not a commercial vehicle, the driver is in a legal sense being used as a for hire purpose and the carrier have some obligation to limit the risks and liability involved. One reason why insurance companies are looking at the carrier's contractors when something happens is because the problems the carriers cause when they try to not be honest. So if the carrier has a poor track record or a new company, they are pretty much in the same class - higher rates and more scrutiny.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
No, wait a minute...there are waivers now. Started that a few years ago.
True, way back in 1996, actually. The waiver program required each participating driver to have at least 3 years of recent commercial driving experience while using insulin, a safe driving record, and a certification by an endocrinologist and an ophthalmologist. That ended in 1996 when the District of Columbia Court of Appeals, in Advocates for Highway and Auto Safety v. Federal Highway Administration, ruled that the Agency's vision waiver program, which used an approach similar to the diabetes program to qualify drivers, was contrary to law. As a result the diabetes waiver program was terminated. Drivers with diabetes waivers at the end of the program were allowed to continue to operate commercial motor vehicles in interstate commerce under "grandfather" provisions.

Over vehement objections from the Advocates for Highway and Auto Safety and other blowhard safety groups, in 2001 the FMCSA began the process to once again allow insulin-dependent drivers. That process was completed and was put into effect in 2003 where waivers could be granted. But the hoops that one needs to jump through on an annual (and sometimes quarterly) basis, and the very narrow criteria for exception, make it such that using insulin to treat diabetes is a virtual lock for disqualification. They do approve waivers, absolutely, but they are few and far between. From 2003, when the diabetes waiver program began, until 2005, only four exemption waivers were issued. That was largely due to the requirement that you had to have already been driving commercially for at least three years, which more or less eliminated any new potential CDL holders from obtaining a CDL.

Thanks to the lobbying of the American Diabetes Association, President Bush signed the law doing away with the three year requirement, but that law that also introduced additional criteria for getting the exception, thanks to the lobbying of those who more or less want all trucks off the road (Advocates for Highway and Auto Safety and others). There are in all 57 additional screenings, provisions and guidelines that someone on insulin must pass in order to be granted an exception waiver. Since 2005 they grant like 7 or 8 exemption waivers a year. Not very many.

Ironically, during all of this, one UK study, a couple or three from Europe, three Canadian studies, and I don't know how many from the US, (this Tech Brief outlines some of it) all more or less showed the same thing, that when comparing diabetic drivers to non-diabetic drivers, the accident rates and severity of accidents (measured in injuries and fatalities) were the same. No difference between the two groups. I do think eventually the restrictions will be loosened a lot.

Interestingly, however, in one of the Canadian studies, when comparing diabetic drivers of large combination trucks to non-diabetic drivers of the same trucks, the diabetic drivers had the same accident and severity rates as the non-diabetic drivers, but when they compared diabetic drivers of straight trucks to non-diabetic drivers of straight trucks, the diabetic drivers had a "significantly higher accident rate" than their non-diabetic counterparts. Weird. Lots of fodder for socialogical and psychological speculation on that one.


But as for this guy, as long as he stays away from the web of the big boys, he probably won't even need a CDL or physical at all.
That's what I think, too. Smaller is better, especially if it's a cargo van-only fleet.
 

Monty

Expert Expediter
I did not have to take a physical to get a CDL, but I did to drive for a company.

Makes me wonder, maybe you can "get" a CDL, but it's useless once the physical is completed?

But for the vanner, if you go with a company that does not require a CDL, or a physical, then you are simply running on your operators liscense.

Being married to a Type I diabetic, who is a cop, I can tell you maintaining your sugar levels is paramount. If you do not have the disipline to do so, stay out of trucking! (In all forms)

But yes, you are hireable to some carriers. Or buy your own and have your own authority ... problem solved ... as long as you do not exceed 10,000 pounds registered weight on that van.
 
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