Vote fraud stealing 50% of Ron Paul's votes

AMonger

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Every other Paul vote redistributed to a pre-selected candidate. Santorum got his Iowa votes, Gingrich got his SC votes. Back room counting and unverifiable machine voting must be abolished, but it will be too late to fix this. Entrance polling and other means suggests Ron Paul likely won both states.

The game had been rigged since long before this election. Your vote is a joke and has likely never been honestly tabulated.

http://www.activistpost.com/2012/01/theres-something-very-odd-about-gop.html

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davekc

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Simply overwhelming evidence they had in the article. :rolleyes:


Always could be some voter fraud, but even at 50 percent, which is huge, he comes up well short of the 40 Gingrich recieved. And of course, this guy is a Paul activist.

In this case it looks like "sore-luzer syndrome".
 

Pilgrim

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Talk about spin :rolleyes:...the reason Gingrich canceled was because the Conference was a total dud - NOBODY was there for ANY of the candidates. But there's nothing to suggest there was voter fraud organized against Ron Paul in multiple states, with different formats and different voting machines in different parts of the country takes conspiracy theories to a whole new level.
Earlier today The Associated Press ran with this headline: “Gingrich cancels campaign event, poor attendance.”
But the lack of attendance isn’t because Gingrich isn’t popular, it’s because the event cost too much and the attendance is way too low, with the lowest tickets fetching a $1,000 a head. Sponsors who spoke with our team in the field said that promoters had misled them as to the number of tickets sold, telling them on the phone that more than 2,000 tickets had been. The event, in other words, was a total flop. There were barely a few dozen people in the huge College of Charleston arena.


» Incompetence, Mismanagement Hamper Republican Conference - Big Government
Ron Paul and Rick Santorum went ahead and spoke to an audience of roughly 50-60 people, while Gingrich didn't waste his time. On the other hand, the story can be spun in the opposite direction:
Republican Presidential candidate Ron Paul spoke at the Southern Republican Leadership Conference in Charleston, South Carolina, to about 50-60 attendees. Noticeably absent at his speech were the usual throngs of supporters that tend to follow the congressman’s every move. The one constant about the Ron Paul campaign is his support base. But is his support starting to dwindle? Paul is badly trailing the rest of the Republican field, and the fact that so very few people came out to support him in Charleston could mean that his support is beginning to lean out.

Ron Paul Supporters ‘No-Shows’ at Ron Paul Speech | The Shark Tank
What ever happened to objective reporting, anyway :confused:

 
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cableguymn

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Every other Paul vote redistributed to a pre-selected candidate. Santorum got his Iowa votes, Gingrich got his SC votes. Back room counting and unverifiable machine voting must be abolished, but it will be too late to fix this. Entrance polling and other means suggests Ron Paul likely won both states.

The game had been rigged since long before this election. Your vote is a joke and has likely never been honestly tabulated.

Activist Post: There's something very odd about GOP primary pre-polling and vote

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Ether that or the pollsters are being LIED to..

Naaa... that never happens...

it's hip to support Paul. But I suspect many people vote another way when no one is looking.
 

RLENT

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Let me preface this by saying that I don't necessarily buy into the conclusion of the blogger .... there are numerous problems with his attempt to "reason" his way to his pre-assumed conclusion.

As but one example, the event that he referred to that Gingrich cancelled was also attended by Ron Paul - who spoke to an audience of 25 to 30 people .... the attendance was reflective of the event - and not who spoke there.

Given the demographics of the state, I don't think the results are impossible ..... indeed taking into account the amount of campaigning Dr. Paul didn't do, and a number of other things (the paid SC staff were in Iowa leading up to the Iowa caucus, and possibly in NH after that) the result is not outside of the realm of possibility.

Having said that:

Always could be some voter fraud,
We have gotten to a point where we, as a nation, are going to have very big problems with our elections due to the introduction of unverifiable, electronic technology which can be easily manipulated - unless something is done to reverse it.

This is covered pretty well in the two documentaries that I linked in another thread: "Hacking Democracy" and "Murder, Spys, and Voting Lies"

This is a non-ideological and non-partisan issue that should concern every citizen - since at the moment your vote no longer matters, we have lost our democratic republic.

but even at 50 percent, which is huge, he comes up well short of the 40 Gingrich recieved.
You need to work on your math:

Reported Results:
Gingrich - 40.4%
Romney - 27.8%
Santorum - 17%
Ron Paul - 13%
Total .... - 98.2%

Alternative:
Gingrich - 26.4%
Romney - 22.8%
Santorum - 12%
Ron Paul - 38%
Total .... - 98.2%

You need to understand how it can be gamed electronically - the electronic systems can be programmed to do whatever a coder wants them to do.

Every vote gained by one candidate is subtracted from another. That way the total number of votes is always correct.

It's just bits and bytes in the digital ether - in most cases there is no audit-able paper trail.

While it still has some potential to be gamed (almost any system would), we need to move back to a paper ballot election system, with votes counted in public in a fully transparent manner.

And of course, this guy is a Paul activist.
Who he is has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the system can be gamed - as has been demonstrated repeatedly (watch the documentaries)

Whether or not it actually happened in this instance is irrelevant to whether it can and will be done in others. It isn't the important issue. Again:

It is a non-ideological and non-partisan issue - unless one subscribes to the ideology of theft and the party of criminals.

In this case it looks like "sore-luzer syndrome".
Undoubtedly the gentleman is disappointed.

We may see in November whether others are similarly disappointed ...... while we listen to indignant cries of ".... Chicago theft ....." ;)
 
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davekc

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If Ron Paul garnered another 50 percent of his votes with an original basis of 13 percent, that doesn't equal 38 percent. You may want to check your math.
 
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RLENT

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If Ron Paul garnered another 50 percent with an original basis of 13 percent, that doesn't equal 38 percent. You may want to check your math.
Yup - my bad for quoting your post (and the percentage) in the manner that I did for the point I was trying to illustrate ;)

My point was that the distribution or allocation ratio can be anything - as simple or as complex as one likes - it's just a matter of programming:

You could flip every other vote, or every two votes (allowing one to be cast for every two flipped), round robin, whatever ..... the possibilities are many - pretty much whatever the human mind can conceive of ...
 

AMonger

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We may see in November whether others are similarly disappointed ...... while we listen to indignant cries of ".... Chicago theft ....." ;)
Yep, and I'm going to say, "Funny, when I brought up the issue in the primaries, I was just a sore loser (take note, illiterates: it's LOSER, not LOOSER). Now that Obama got re-elected, it's somehow different, isn't it?"

I would've been surprised if Dr. Paul had won SC, given the peculiar political layout there, but there's no defending Iowa. Backroom tallying in secret by party hacks, from the party who was KNOWN to break both laws and rules to sink Dr. Paul last time around.

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davekc

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Yup - my bad for quoting your post (and the percentage) in the manner that I did for the point I was trying to illustrate ;)

My point was that the distribution or allocation ratio can be anything - as simple or as complex as one likes - it's just a matter of programming:

You could flip every other vote, or every two votes (allowing one to be cast for every two flipped), round robin, whatever ..... the possibilities are many - pretty much whatever the human mind can conceive of ...

No problem on the math quiz. But you are right in that I think there will be plenty of voter fraud this time around. All kinds of game playing going on.
 

RLENT

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Yep, and I'm going to say, "Funny, when I brought up the issue in the primaries, I was just a sore loser (take note, illiterates: it's LOSER, not LOOSER). Now that Obama got re-elected, it's somehow different, isn't it?"
Yup ....

What goes around has a way of coming around .... ;)

I would've been surprised if Dr. Paul had won SC, given the peculiar political layout there, but there's no defending Iowa. Backroom tallying in secret by party hacks, from the party who was KNOWN to break both laws and rules to sink Dr. Paul last time around.
Exactly - but hey, it's not being covered widely by the MSM (why is that exactly ? :rolleyes:) so probably very few here, if any, are paying any attention. The sheeple sleep.

Count discrepancies and errors in at least 133 precincts, counties on the western side of the state that were extremely delayed in reporting (like that one county in SC last night), ballots that weren't counted on location but instead are "being taken by pickup truck to another location" (reported, but not really followed up on), local election officials recorded on national tv saying some rather odd things (not really realizing how much was being picked up over the phone), and multiple conflicting statements within hours of each other by the same person, on the results from the Party, weeks after the election, regarding the "certification" of the results, which in the end could only be characterized as "un-certifiable" ..... :rolleyes:
 

RLENT

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If the System was "gamed" it would have had a different outcome. Romney would have won.
I think that presupposes a lot - there is no monolithic "establishment" - only various collections of folks (which are sometimes pretty fluid) that sometimes have mutual collective interests, other times diverging collective interests ...

All have their own specific self-interests, which are unique to the individual, as well.

And it assumes that once a means to an end has been chosen that it is not subject to reconsideration and change ... ;)
 
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Ragman

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If the System was "gamed" it would have had a different outcome. Romney would have won.

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cheri1122

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One article about the Iowa votes mentioned [in passing!] that the votes from eight precincts had simply disappeared, as if that's a perfectly understandable and inconsequential event when tallying votes.
And I'm wondering WTH?! Because other than the one brief mention, there wasn't another word about it.
Sure, it might not change the outcome, but EVERY vote matters, and I'm wondering why 'the press' doesn't seem to think so.
 

AMonger

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One article about the Iowa votes mentioned [in passing!] that the votes from eight precincts had simply disappeared, as if that's a perfectly understandable and inconsequential event when tallying votes.
And I'm wondering WTH?! Because other than the one brief mention, there wasn't another word about it.
Sure, it might not change the outcome, but EVERY vote matters, and I'm wondering why 'the press' doesn't seem to think so.

they don't care about much as long as their guy wins.

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