moose
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Whats wrong with sending 'normal' kids to school with other 'disable' kids.? it's life's best experience, and the best education a child can have.
Vomit!!!!!!!!!
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Brisco
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Gawd.......It's almost like EVERYTHING this Administration gets involved in gets WORSE........NOT Better.
Are we going to make it to 2016????????????
Some School Districts Dropping Healthier Lunch Programs
Schools say so many students are refusing the meals packed with whole grains, fruits and vegetables that their cafeterias were losing money.
After just one year, some schools around the country are dropping out of the healthier new federal lunch program, complaining that so many students turned up their noses at meals packed with whole grains, fruits and vegetables that the cafeterias were losing money.
Federal officials say they don't have exact numbers but have seen isolated reports of schools cutting ties with the $11 billion National School Lunch Program, which reimburses schools for meals served and gives them access to lower-priced food.
Districts that rejected the program say the reimbursement was not enough to offset losses from students who began avoiding the lunch line and bringing food from home or, in some cases, going hungry.
"Some of the stuff we had to offer, they wouldn't eat," said Catlin, Ill., Superintendent Gary Lewis, whose district saw a 10 to 12 percent drop in lunch sales, translating to $30,000 lost under the program last year.
"So you sit there and watch the kids, and you know they're hungry at the end of the day, and that led to some behavior and some lack of attentiveness."
In upstate New York, a few districts have quit the program, including the Schenectady-area Burnt Hills Ballston Lake system, whose five lunchrooms ended the year $100,000 in the red.
Near Albany, Voorheesville Superintendent Teresa Thayer Snyder said her district lost $30,000 in the first three months. The program didn't even make it through the school year after students repeatedly complained about the small portions and apples and pears went from the tray to the trash untouched.
Districts that leave the program are free to develop their own guidelines. Voorheesville's chef began serving such dishes as salad topped with flank steak and crumbled cheese, pasta with chicken and mushrooms, and a panini with chicken, red peppers and cheese.
In Catlin, soups and fish sticks will return to the menu this year, and the hamburger lunch will come with yogurt and a banana — not one or the other, like last year.
Nationally, about 31 million students participated in the guidelines that took effect last fall under the 2010 Healthy, Hunger-Free Kids Act.
Dr. Janey Thornton, deputy undersecretary for USDA's Food, Nutrition and Consumer Services, which oversees the program, said she is aware of reports of districts quitting but is still optimistic about the program's long-term prospects.
"Many of these children have never seen or tasted some of the fruits and vegetables that are being served before, and it takes a while to adapt and learn," she said.
The agency had not determined how many districts have dropped out, Thornton said, cautioning that "the numbers that have threatened to drop and the ones that actually have dropped are quite different."
The School Nutrition Association found that 1 percent of 521 district nutrition directors surveyed over the summer planned to drop out of the program in the 2013-14 school year and about 3 percent were considering the move.
Not every district can afford to quit. The National School Lunch Program provides cash reimbursements for each meal served: about $2.50 to $3 for free and reduced-priced meals and about 30 cents for full-price meals. That takes the option of quitting off the table for schools with large numbers of poor youngsters.
The new guidelines set limits on calories and salt, phase in more whole grains and require that fruit and vegetables be served daily. A typical elementary school meal under the program consisted of whole-wheat cheese pizza, baked sweet potato fries, grape tomatoes with low-fat ranch dip, applesauce and 1 percent milk.
In December, the Agriculture Department, responding to complaints that kids weren't getting enough to eat, relaxed the 2-ounce-per-day limit on grains and meats while keeping the calorie limits.
At Wallace County High in Sharon Springs, Kan., football player Callahan Grund said the revision helped, but he and his friends still weren't thrilled by the calorie limits (750-850 for high school) when they had hours of calorie-burning practice after school. The idea of dropping the program has come up at board meetings, but the district is sticking with it for now.
"A lot of kids were resorting to going over to the convenience store across the block from school and kids were buying junk food," the 17-year-old said. "It was kind of ironic that we're downsizing the amount of food to cut down on obesity but kids are going and getting junk food to fill that hunger."
To make the point, Grund and his schoolmates starred last year in a music video parody of the pop hit "We Are Young." Instead, they sang, "We Are Hungry."
It was funny, but Grund's mother, Chrysanne Grund, said her anxiety was not.
"I was quite literally panicked about how we would get enough food in these kids during the day," she said, "so we resorted to packing lunches most days."
Some schools dropping unpopular healthy lunch options
Are we going to make it to 2016????????????
Some School Districts Dropping Healthier Lunch Programs
Schools say so many students are refusing the meals packed with whole grains, fruits and vegetables that their cafeterias were losing money.
After just one year, some schools around the country are dropping out of the healthier new federal lunch program, complaining that so many students turned up their noses at meals packed with whole grains, fruits and vegetables that the cafeterias were losing money.
Federal officials say they don't have exact numbers but have seen isolated reports of schools cutting ties with the $11 billion National School Lunch Program, which reimburses schools for meals served and gives them access to lower-priced food.
Districts that rejected the program say the reimbursement was not enough to offset losses from students who began avoiding the lunch line and bringing food from home or, in some cases, going hungry.
"Some of the stuff we had to offer, they wouldn't eat," said Catlin, Ill., Superintendent Gary Lewis, whose district saw a 10 to 12 percent drop in lunch sales, translating to $30,000 lost under the program last year.
"So you sit there and watch the kids, and you know they're hungry at the end of the day, and that led to some behavior and some lack of attentiveness."
In upstate New York, a few districts have quit the program, including the Schenectady-area Burnt Hills Ballston Lake system, whose five lunchrooms ended the year $100,000 in the red.
Near Albany, Voorheesville Superintendent Teresa Thayer Snyder said her district lost $30,000 in the first three months. The program didn't even make it through the school year after students repeatedly complained about the small portions and apples and pears went from the tray to the trash untouched.
Districts that leave the program are free to develop their own guidelines. Voorheesville's chef began serving such dishes as salad topped with flank steak and crumbled cheese, pasta with chicken and mushrooms, and a panini with chicken, red peppers and cheese.
In Catlin, soups and fish sticks will return to the menu this year, and the hamburger lunch will come with yogurt and a banana — not one or the other, like last year.
Nationally, about 31 million students participated in the guidelines that took effect last fall under the 2010 Healthy, Hunger-Free Kids Act.
Dr. Janey Thornton, deputy undersecretary for USDA's Food, Nutrition and Consumer Services, which oversees the program, said she is aware of reports of districts quitting but is still optimistic about the program's long-term prospects.
"Many of these children have never seen or tasted some of the fruits and vegetables that are being served before, and it takes a while to adapt and learn," she said.
The agency had not determined how many districts have dropped out, Thornton said, cautioning that "the numbers that have threatened to drop and the ones that actually have dropped are quite different."
The School Nutrition Association found that 1 percent of 521 district nutrition directors surveyed over the summer planned to drop out of the program in the 2013-14 school year and about 3 percent were considering the move.
Not every district can afford to quit. The National School Lunch Program provides cash reimbursements for each meal served: about $2.50 to $3 for free and reduced-priced meals and about 30 cents for full-price meals. That takes the option of quitting off the table for schools with large numbers of poor youngsters.
The new guidelines set limits on calories and salt, phase in more whole grains and require that fruit and vegetables be served daily. A typical elementary school meal under the program consisted of whole-wheat cheese pizza, baked sweet potato fries, grape tomatoes with low-fat ranch dip, applesauce and 1 percent milk.
In December, the Agriculture Department, responding to complaints that kids weren't getting enough to eat, relaxed the 2-ounce-per-day limit on grains and meats while keeping the calorie limits.
At Wallace County High in Sharon Springs, Kan., football player Callahan Grund said the revision helped, but he and his friends still weren't thrilled by the calorie limits (750-850 for high school) when they had hours of calorie-burning practice after school. The idea of dropping the program has come up at board meetings, but the district is sticking with it for now.
"A lot of kids were resorting to going over to the convenience store across the block from school and kids were buying junk food," the 17-year-old said. "It was kind of ironic that we're downsizing the amount of food to cut down on obesity but kids are going and getting junk food to fill that hunger."
To make the point, Grund and his schoolmates starred last year in a music video parody of the pop hit "We Are Young." Instead, they sang, "We Are Hungry."
It was funny, but Grund's mother, Chrysanne Grund, said her anxiety was not.
"I was quite literally panicked about how we would get enough food in these kids during the day," she said, "so we resorted to packing lunches most days."
Some schools dropping unpopular healthy lunch options
Me too. Paticularly when links are posted by someone who clearly didn't read them, or just failed to comprehend.
all but the last link describe the same situation, which, upon investigation, was an error on the part of the teacher who declared the child's sack lunch unacceptable. Missed that, did you? Or is it just easier to get outraged and portray it as a deliberate government conspiracy?
The last link is to a blog, and while the info isn't verified, if it's the truth, it's because the parents in that school district accept it.
gunnerwife
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As I recall school lunches have always looked and tasted like vomit.
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I was gonna say that earlier, lol, but got distracted. I remember three years of eating almost nothing for lunch from the cafeteria except the mashed potatoes & sticky buns.
The kind of diet that got us where we are today, IOW.
gunnerwife
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I was gonna say that earlier, lol, but got distracted. I remember three years of eating almost nothing for lunch from the cafeteria except the mashed potatoes & sticky buns.
The kind of diet that got us where we are today, IOW.
I didn't eat lunch unless I was going to a school with an open campus so I could go get something edible to eat. The mashed potatoes at school were about the only thing I did like! Lol
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I was gonna say that earlier, lol, but got distracted. I remember three years of eating almost nothing for lunch from the cafeteria except the mashed potatoes & sticky buns.
The kind of diet that got us where we are today, IOW.
I think lack of physical activity has far more to do with it than diet. We RAN, PLAYED, JUMPED and road bikes when we were kids. They don't even allow recess in many schools and then drug kids when they get antsy when they can't get rid of the energy.
Yep, "Soylent Green". It's all part of today's "green" movement.
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Slo-Ride
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So its true Soylent Green is real.
If my wife was reading this thread she would be so upset.. Being the head cook in our school system.Lol.
Was it last year I told ya about the new gov imposed menus that they are serving now..And with their non scientific survey they do, they have determined they are throwing away more then is being consumed on a daily basis. And of course this has added to the school budget because food can not be thrown away in the regular trash can..Tax payers are now paying for added pick up service..
She is getting the kitchens around for start up and new on the menu for 2013-2014 school year is to reduce protein from the menu..But no one has told them how to do it yet but its in place with no plans on how to apply it..
And yes,,They are told to inspec the brown baggers bringing their own food in and to take away any food not allowed..They don't follow it unless they see a kid with nut products.. Peanut does scare them so they are keeping a watch full eye out for those eating it.. They won't and don't have time to check every hand carried lunch bag coming into the school.
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So its true Soylent Green is real.
If my wife was reading this thread she would be so upset.. Being the head cook in our school system.Lol.
Was it last year I told ya about the new gov imposed menus that they are serving now..And with their non scientific survey they do, they have determined they are throwing away more then is being consumed on a daily basis. And of course this has added to the school budget because food can not be thrown away in the regular trash can..Tax payers are now paying for added pick up service..
She is getting the kitchens around for start up and new on the menu for 2013-2914 school year is to reduce protein from the menu..But no one has told them how to do it yet but its in place with no plans on how to apply it..
And yes,,They are told to inspec the brown baggers bringing their own food in and to take away any food not allowed..They don't follow it unless they see a kid with nut products.. Peanut does scare them so they are keeping a watch full eye out for those eating it.. They won't and don't have time to check every hand carried lunch bag coming into the school.
Don't you just love to see the food Nazi's in action?
Can you find even ONE single shred of proof that any school does not permit engaging in physical activity? Or that kids "are drugged when they get antsy"? I know the latter is a popular belief [among those who have no kids in school, usually], but I have never seen any proof that it is anything other than their unsupported conclusion. Which you present as fact.
Far too much ADHD/ADD being diagnosed. Funny, it had not even been invented when we were kids. Boys NEED several HOURS of hard play, every day, to be able to function. They are not getting it. Boys brain mature differently, and somewhat slower, than girls. In grade school boys need to just run and run and run. MORE sandlot ball and less Little League. MORE cardboard boxes, fewer "learning toys", would help.
The less activity kids have, the more ADHD/ADD there will be. THEN instead of running the snot out of kids, they get pumped full of Rililan and other even worse crap.
Kids need to have the pressure taken off in grade school, they need to learn how to PLAY, without structure, to develop their bodies and imaginations. Too much structure, too little play, too little exercise. Kids need to be kids before they can become teenagers and adults. A "FREE" childhood is very important.
No Time for Recess, No Need for Nap | FairTest
As Schools Cut Recess, Kids' Learning Will Suffer, Experts Say | Unstructured Play Time & Child Development | No Child Left Behind & School Testing | LiveScience
Ogden School District cuts recesses in favor of teaching time
Recess Makes Kids Smarter | Scholastic.com
After years of recess erosion, schools try to get kids moving again
K - 12 - FamilyEducation.com
The schools that are misguidedly cutting recess are already discovering the error of their plans - kids need to move. But on the subject of ADD/HD, you are misinformed. Kids are not prescribed Ritalin because "they get antsy" - that's a popular misconception. That parents & teachers would want to drug a child who can't sit still is bad enough, but that any reputable doctor would go along with it is just unreal. One of my grands is a textbook case of ADD/HD: she is perfectly capable of sitting still and paying attention, when she is interested, but when she's not, there is nothing [no punishment or reward] that can force her to do it. After years of trying behavioral therapy [setting timers for tasks, rewarding focus] and failing to make any progress, she was put on Concentra, and the difference is like night & day: she can focus on the task at hand and complete it, without getting distracted by 17 random thoughts instead. People who think medication is prescribed for kids who "get antsy" don't really have a clue about the reality of ADD, or how it interferes with learning. Or the years of efforts parents make before resorting to medication, either.
No, it is not a "misconception". Boy are boys. Girls are girls. They cannot be compared. They don't mature, act, grow or think the same. In any way shape or form.
I wonder, how many of those "random thoughts" would have grown to be a cure for cancer, we will never know, they were drugged away.
I believe the problem is that we must force "round pegs into square holes" in our schools. In a proper learning setting those "random thoughts" could be explored, understood and maybe would come to benefit. No one will ever know. Every child is an individual and learns at an equally individual rate and method. When they don't fit, drug 'em. Control their "thoughts".
I remember the stories told at "The Henry Ford" (the correct name is the "Edison Institute", at least that is what Henry Ford named it) about Henry Ford. He used to "act out" in school, all the time. It was the "norm" for him to just get up and do handstands in class. Good thing he was not drugged. He would have been today.
Chemicals and kids don't mix. The side affects in the short term are bad, long term? We are just beginning to see that. I wonder just how many of the wacked out dudes that open up in theaters or schools where on those drugs, or drugs like them? It would not surprise me if all were.
I pity any kid being put on such powerful psychotropic drugs. I believe it is a crime.
By the way, don't even try to tell me I don't understand, I had a son diagnosed with ADD. Been there, done that. He will be getting his medical discharge from the military this year after serving this nation for 15 years. I have a pretty good idea what it is like.
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The misconception to which I refer had zero to do with the difference between boys & girls. Nada. And those differences have zero to do with the subject, either. And I seriously doubt any of those random thoughts that kept my granddaughter from completing tasks would have led to a cure for cancer, as she was 7 years old. "Control their thoughts"? Not at all: just help them to control the behavior that prevents them and everyone else from learning anything in class. "Chemicals and kids don't mix"? Tell that to the kids with leukemia! ADD/HD is NOT about drugging kids who can't sit still, and I feel sorry for the kids who would benefit from the medication if their parents weren't so ignorant about it. I also feel sorry for all the other kids in the class who can't focus on learning. And I REALLY feel sorry for the teachers who have to deal with the problems in their classrooms, too.
"Control their thoughts"? Not at all: just help them to control the behavior that prevents them and everyone else from learning anything in class. "Chemicals and kids don't mix"? Tell that to the kids with leukemia! ADD/HD is NOT about drugging kids who can't sit still, and I feel sorry for the kids who would benefit from the medication if their parents weren't so ignorant about it. I also feel sorry for all the other kids in the class who can't focus on learning. And I REALLY feel sorry for the teachers who have to deal with the problems in their classrooms, too.
