Brisco
Expert Expediter
Muscle Flexing............
See you Guys..........OH...............in about a month or so.
Vladimir, Stop this crazy thing!
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Muscle Flexing............
See you Guys..........OH...............in about a month or so.
witness23
Veteran Expediter
Totally agree. I was perplexed with that assessment as well.
Killing hundreds of thousands of your own people with conventional weapons, cool. Using chemical weapons on your own people, not cool. So say's the world community.
Well hey, as long as they aren't used again then we've accomplished our goal. Remember, Assad has never admitted to having chemical weapons in the past.
Putin is playing America like a fine Russian violin and we are listening with abandon.
Again, are you proposing the United States partake in regime change in Syria?
Yes, the ploy is to kick it down the road but elections have little to do with it. The ploy comes from Putin and Assad. It delays any attack indefinitely and allows the killings to continue with conventional warfare while Assad dances around how many chemical weapons there are and where they may be located.
Putin is playing America like a fine Russian violin and we are listening with abandon.
It's not really our responsibility to intervene in a civil war of a sovereign nation, particularly if conventional weapons are used. As Congressman Brad Sherman noted, Putin's proposal, "may turn out to be the best thing to come out of Russia since vodka.” I cannot imagine anything good resulting from a US military strike on Syria.
Murraycroexp
Veteran Expediter
STOP!! I burnt the popcorn and have to start a new bag!!! I need a minute 45 of peace then pick it back up!!!!!
To remove any doubt that I'm speaking as a moderator in an official capacity as opposed to simply stating my opinion as an EO member.
No good could ever come out of a US military strike on Syria. No good will come out of Russia or the UN "solving" the problem either. Syria is a client state of Russia and the UN's "track record" on chemical weapons is less than stellar. They would just see it as a way for more kick backs.
We just need to ignore the entire thing. It is just none of our business.
witness23
Veteran Expediter
Until chemical weapons are being used.
Dead is dead, does it REALLY matter how they kill them? What if, and it does happen in civil wars, if they just started rounding thousands and have mass executions in the football stadium? Do we stop THAT kind of mass murder? This is a civil war and we have absolutely NO business here.
Going in there in ANY way, shape or form, would be like walking into a quicksand pit.
I agree. The world has decided that chemical weapons are a no-no. So the next thing we need to do is obtain irrefutable evidence as to who used chemical weapons in Syria, then present that evidence to the world, and then react accordingly. Thus far, no evidence as to who used it. And for us to take such a, dare I say, extremist action against Syria, the evidence needs to be overwhelmingly conclusive. At the very least it needs to be the same burden of proof as in a capital murder trial.
The one thing that keeps nagging at me is, why would the Syrian government have carried out a chemical rocket attack on the very day U.N. weapons inspectors were in Damascus looking for chemical and other weapons of mass destruction? I know that's not evidence of anything, either. The answer could be because they're crazy, or they were that bold, or the left hand didn't know the right hand was visiting with UN weapons inspectors. But it's still a question that needs to be answered.
As far as I have been able to find out Syria has not signed the Chemical Weapons Convention, neither has Egypt, North Korea, Angola, South Sudan, Israel and Myanmar haven't ratified the Chemical Weapons Convention, and Russia and the US haven't met their obligations under the convention.
So it would seem that the "world" is not in total agreement on this. Since they have not signed it, they are not bound by it and we cannot enforce it there.
Syria: Who else hasn't signed up to the chemical weapons treaty?
So it would seem that the "world" is not in total agreement on this. Since they have not signed it, they are not bound by it and we cannot enforce it there.
Syria: Who else hasn't signed up to the chemical weapons treaty?
Humble2drive
Expert Expediter
Not at all. I do not advocate an attack and I don't believe people such as McCain who pretend that there are moderate "friendly" rebels to take over.
I was simply addressing the motivation for Putin and Assad to carry on with the charade and buy time.
If it keeps us out of an unnecessary war and gives us the ability to remove a large portion of their cache while keeping a watchful eye on them then it could certainly be a worthwhile endeavor.
I can just picture Putin and Assad doing high fives because it would be a win for them and it will be fun to play "Shuffle the Weapons" for the next year or so.
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You are correct. 7 states have not made themselves a party to the agreement. The other 189 have, though. Surely you can recognize that something doesn't necessarily require unanimous agreement for it to be in place. The world, all but 7 nations, have said chemical weapons are a no-no. That's hardly a license for the 7 in disagreement to use them at will. Signatory member state or not, use chemical weapons at your own risk.
For clarity's sake, As of the April 2012 deadline, Russia has destroyed approximately 57% of it's stockpiles, and intends to complete it by sometime between 2015-2020. The has destroyed 90% of its stockpiles, and has pledged to complete it by 2023. Libya has destroyed 85% of its stockpiles and has pledged completion by the end of 2016. Japan and China (along with the chemical weapons abandoned in China by Japan) are a long way away. They hope to compete the destruction by 2022, but don't hold your breath. Or maybe you should.
I understand that something does not have to be unanimous, but, there is no legal standing for a US unilateral strike on Syria. Then there is the "we should not be the world's policeman" argument. Then there is the other major problem, we are broke. We cannot afford what very well could develop into a real war.
letzrockexpress
Veteran Expediter
This is true. Syria did not sign.
cubansammich
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AMonger
Veteran Expediter
In addition to that, if Godzilla is fighting Mothra or Alien is fighting Predator, as long as they're hurting only themselves, YOU LET THEM.