VICTIMS OF OUR OWN SUCCESS ??

hedgehog

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
A-Team:

What kind of logic is the $2 million minus $200,00 = $1.8 million ??
And where did you blow your money because you should be living somewhere with a prestigious address ???

LOL

If I totaled the money earned for myself over the years I've worked, I can tell you fuel and living in a truck were not my biggest expenses.

I spent a little raising a family of five, buying houses, vacations, automobiles and putting three (3) kids through colleges not to mention incidentals like medical costs, food utilities, investments, etc., etc.

BTW: Why are you not living in the Hamptons??

Be safe
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
$2 Million and the Hamptons?

OK $2M will get you a small place, maybe after you get it at $2M, you will need to buy furniture and pay the taxes. You will have to make more than $200K a year to maintain that life style.

I know people who have places in the Hamptons and Remsenburg, the cheapest place we stayed at was $4M and they pay more in property taxes than I made in 2002.
 

RichM

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Phil stated that he declined $12,000 in revenue this past week. I really think that is not an accurate statement as unless the first trip offered paid $12,000 (highly unlikely). If he had taken the first offer the additional offers that may have added up to $12,000 would most likely not have been offered to him as he would have been out of the area that the additional trips were being dispatched from.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
>Phil stated that he declined $12,000 in revenue this past
>week. I really think that is not an accurate statement as
>unless the first trip offered paid $12,000 (highly
>unlikely). If he had taken the first offer the additional
>offers that may have added up to $12,000 would most likely
>not have been offered to him as he would have been out of
>the area that the additional trips were being dispatched
>from.

No, Rich. I did NOT say that I declined $12,000 in revenue this past week. Once again, you have misread, misinterpreted and/or misrepresented my post. I said, "All totaled, we have declined over $12,000 of business to stay home." No time frame was specified. You can verify this yourself by reading post 31 in this thread. As a moderator, you should have noticed that before firing off your pot shot.
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
I understood ATeam's post the same way RichM did - $12k missed in a week - because a week is what we usually take off about this time of year, and a longer timeframe wasn't specified. Therefore, I don't see it as a "potshot" at all.
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
I saw it like dispatch called for a 1000 mi run, which was turned down; then two hours later called for a 1500 mi run, also turned down; and so on, adding up to $12k. I also see how it could be viewed wrong. Gotta be a little clearer there, Phil.

"If I claim to be a wise man, it surely means that I don't know." - Kansas
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
>Whoa...Step back, and once again take off the rose colored
>glasses.
>
>I think it's quite possible for a team in a D truck to gross
>$2 million in 10 years, but to suggest that a large portion
>of 1.8 million, minus a few dollars for fuel, finance and
>operating expenses is a bit of a stretch, even for the most
>frugal of people.
>
>I suspect that every bit of 1/3 - 1/2 of that 2 mil will be
>needed for business costs, generously leaving $1.0M - $1.3M.
> Does the typical Mom and Pop, single truck expediter net
>$100,000 a year? I don't know because I have no experience
>or first hand knowledge of C or D truck profits.
>
>$100,000 a year is a pretty decent wage, even for two
>people, but since nearly all expediters have a home and
>other personal expenses with which to contend, such as rent
>or mortgage, utilities, medical/dental expenses, clothing,
>insurance, automobile costs, childrens education, IRA, etc,
>etc, etc.
>
>When all is said, spent and done, what's left? No more than
>the slightly above average two wage earner family.

Perhaps this rough analysis will help. Consider a hypothetical team that drives a fleet-owner's truck under the not-uncommon 40/60 split, where the team gets 40% of the gross and the fleet owner gets 60%, and the fleet owner pays all truck expenses, including fuel.

Agreeing that a good team can produce $200,000 a year gross, that sends $80,000 to the team and $120,000 to the fleet owner, before expenses and taxes. (Note to newbies reading this, $200,000 is an above-average figure. While there are teams out there doing it, that level of production does not happen by itself. It would be unwise to expect that kind of gross income without knowing how it is produced and without being ready, willing and able to do what it takes.)

At this point, it does not matter at all how much the truck costs to purchase or operate. Those costs are the fleet owner's to bear.

A team that produces $200,000 a year gross, will be on the road a lot and home little. Thus, there won't be much money spent on high-end fishing boats, fancy pick-up trucks, and the like (if the team is smart). At the extreme, single-family home ownership is not necessary, since the team would spend little time in it. A maintenance-free townhouse or even an apartment will do. Thus, the costs of home maintenance can be reduced.

Now, take it to the next step. Included in the fleet owner's 60% is a profit margin. Fleet owners can correct me if I am wrong on this point. I'll suggest, based on what I have heard from a few, that the fleet owner hopes to clear 10% of the gross after all driver and truck expenses are paid.

If that is true, and if the team buys a truck of their own, they have the same 50% of the gross to use for truck expenses that fleet owners have. That is, the fleet-owner's 10% profit margin plus the 40% the team received before they bought a truck of their own.

That provides the team with $80,000 to $100,000 a year (40% to 50% of the gross) in pre-tax revenue after all truck expenses are paid. As a busy team that is out on the road a lot, they get nice per diem deductions. As truck owners, they get depreciation decuctions. As self-employed owner-operators (or even self-employed drivers for a fleet owner), they have access to a host of qualified retirement plans and other tax-advantaged investments that if wisely used will help them keep the money they earn.

Rose colored? I think not. Above average? Absolutely, but it can be done.

If a team has an upper-middle-class retirement lifestyle as their goal, the ability and willingness to do what it takes, and fifteen to twenty years to work with, I see no reason why such a team cannot achieve what they set out to do.
 

hedgehog

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
A-Team stated: {last two (2) paragraphs}

"Rose colored? I think not. Above average? Absolutely, but it can be done.

"If a team has an upper-middle-class retirement lifestyle as their goal, the ability and willingness to do what it takes, and fifteen to twenty years to work with, I see no reason why such a team cannot achieve what they set out to do."

Okay, now that 15-20 years has been added to the mix, anything is possible.

Be safe
 

bryan

Veteran Expediter
Hi

Ok here the solution.Rates by senority

0 to 3years takes a 2% pay cut.
3 to 6years stays the same
6 to 10year gets a 10% pay increase
10 to 15years gets a 20% pay increase
15 to 20years gets a 30% pay increase
20 years and up get a metal just for surviving and becomes a stockholder.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
12K over the holidays, regardless of whatever days still sounds like "I average $3.00 per mile" Maybe not what you meant, but to many, it comes acrossed as such.
Same issue with $200,000 as being "above average" I wouldn't even call it that. I think you are looking at maybe the top 5 to 10 percent of the total trucks in expediting. Again.....I think your information is too misleading.
With all this retirement talk, I am not sure quite who you are trying to convince of millions, yourself or the other members?

On a side note, I would say the ones in the early days that did make significant dollars are one of three places. They are either still here in the industry, lost it all, or like many, invested in other businesses or retired.
Because of the slowdown in 99/2000 we diversified our business to protect ourselves and drivers.
I would also say it isn't quite the same money as many already have. Basically the same rates with three times the cost doesn't equal the same return. Is there money to be made? I think so, but no where near the numbers of earlier years. Technology has reduced costs for the carrier and owner operator, but not enough to offset those differences.











Davekc
owner
22 years
PantherII
EO moderator
 

RichM

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
In this year of 2007 A Teams hypothesis of a gross of 200K every year for 20 years is simply not doable. Assume the team works for 50 weeks,takes only 2 weeks off during the year. They need to average $4k per week for the year. Folks thats a lot of hard running,yes an occasional week will be higher but many weeks will be less. Now does a couple want to live in a truck for 20 years? What type of lifestyle does this create. Best to not get sick,have a family or persoanl emergency or breakdowns. What happens if you hit a U Haul or low bridge or a parking lot incident,how about if your carrier changes directions and looses keys accounts.

So A Team is really looking at this through the Rose colored glasses. Terry and Dave have put the proper perspective on this senario.

Yes you can make money but at what price.
 
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