vans and logs

[theoldprof]

An earlier comment made mention of a lawsuit and logs. If an accident occured, you can bet the lawyers will subpoena the records your carrier have, and know exactly where you where every minute for the previous six months, if needed.

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[highway star]

TerryandRene, thanks for the Kentucy update. That's the first I've heard of it.

Greg334, time spent waiting for a load at home is off-duty. Time waiting for a load in a truckstop may be a different matter. Before the changes, time waiting in a truckstop was considered on-duty. Of course, I know of no one who logged it as such. I heard that was something that might be changed. Does anyone know? On the subject of being eccentric, isn't a bit of that assumed if you're an expediter?

 

[jaminjim]

Time waiting in the TS for a load is not considered on duty unless you are performing work ie fueling, maint. sitting in line at the truck wash, or sitting in the passenger seat.

 

[highway star]

Are you talking about before or after the changes in the regs? I did'nt believe that was the case until it was shown to me in the DOT book. How would anything ever get done if people actually logged like that?

 

[dragonrider]

As some of you may remember ,I run a SuperB/little C. At 13,950GVW I always have to log,for me no real problem.{I have a log book deal on the lap top,use it to check for mistakes,will use it in future when truck is finished and can hook up a printer}When i was running a van I had a log book,filled out for 5 days of out of service, but not dated,used a loose leaf type and had "filed the rest at home ".If I was going to or thru a state that required them it took 5 minutes to fill in the dates and other 2 days.
I am leased with a company that is a large local delivery company,with a small expidite section,Hearing about local delivery vans,and accidents,and police are looking at them closer. Had a local law tell me it is another possible safey area read revenue my feeling is that vans will end up logging,also don't forget that late model vans have engine computers which can be read for a number of cycle.s,meaning a sharpe lawyer/law man could use it to determine run times/speeds etc.Hard to say you were local with 5hr at 65.
My thought is it feels a lot better to come up on a weight station and know no sweat,then not lol

10yrs expitite
4 yrs company driver
all in B,C,D units

 

[terryandrene]

I have long a agreed with the comments Dragonrider made about the future of log keeping concerning van operations. I believe that one of these days (I hope far in the future) a van will be involved in an accident that requires the involvement of the National Transportation Safety Board or equivalent agency, and the outcome will be a proposed rulemaking requireing vans involved in Interstate Commerce to maintain Duty Status Logs.

Furthermore, the unnecessary maintenance of Log Books may have worked well for Dragonrider when driving vans, but newcomers perusing these fora should read, and be familiar with, the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Regulations. Here are a few paraphrased excerpts:

Vehicles involved in non-hazmat interstate commerce with a GVWR of 10,001 pounds or less are not required to keep log books.

(Alabama and New York State have expanded the requirements making it necessary for vans to log when in those States)

Vehicles keeping logs must maintain them current to the last change of duty status.

It would be unlawful to preprint duty status, or postprint log books for a period greater than the time of the last change of duty status.

Terry

 

[sunshinetomorow]

sunshine
Leo hopefully you are never in an accident and the lawyer asks to see your log book and hopefully you don't drive more then 10 hours as in some states they can turn you into a felon for driving tired. safe driving to all:*

 

[cheri1122]

As Theoldprof said, the lawyers can subpoena whatever they desire, & that's what I had on my mind when I chose not to log the prior 7 days - I know how a log should be done, & I knew that if I attempted to recreate anything beyond the current day (the day I received the hazmat load, which we haven't the luxury of knowing seven days in advance), it would be entirely made up. Which is what I'd done before, but reading about the Rice's accident brought home the fact that it could happen to anyone - including me. So I thought it was past time to clarify exactly how we are expected to log the prior 7 days, legally. And, while I knew of Alabama's log requirement, this is the first I've heard that I'm expected to log in New York - & I've been there half a dozen times! (Including at least twice with the o/o who I drove for & with a year ago, & who did not log, or apparently know that it was required)
With all the different states' requirements, which aren't helpfully posted like the scale regs - how are we expected to remain in compliance?!Particularly if the carrier, whom we depend upon as a knowledgeable source, doesn't seem to know either?

 

[cheri1122]

Yes, Leo - this is threading with style, lol! Wish I could hang out longer, but just got a load offer, & so gotta run. Everybody try to stay safe, & out of trouble - if that's even possible, with 48 states to mess up in!