US warned on top credit rating by Standard & Poor's

EnglishLady

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BBC News

The US has been warned that the credit rating on its government debt could be cut by Standard & Poor's.

S&P is concerned that Democrats and Republicans will not be able to agree a plan to reduce the growing US deficit.

It has downgraded its outlook from stable to negative, increasing the likelihood that the rating could be cut within the next two years.

The US Treasury responded that S&P had underestimated its ability to tackle the national debt.

"Because the US has, relative to its 'AAA' [top-rated] peers, what we consider to be very large budget deficits and rising government indebtedness and the path to addressing these is not clear to us, we have revised our outlook on the long-term rating to negative from stable," the agency said in a statement.

The surprise move sent US and European shares lower. The S&P 500 fell the most in a month, and the US dollar dropped against the euro and Swiss franc. Oil was also sharply lower.

In Europe, the main UK, German and French indexes all fell by at least 2%.

The US federal deficit currently stands at $1.4tn (£858bn) and is expected to reach $1.5tn in the current fiscal year.

Budget battle

President Barack Obama suggested that the world could plunge into a new recession if the ceiling on money the US can borrow is not raised in the next few weeks, before the current debt limit of $14.3tn is reached.

Mr Obama and the Republicans are locked in a battle over the extent of spending cuts.

The Republican-controlled House of Representatives has passed a 2012 budget plan that aims to cut $6.2tn in spending by the government over the next decade.

But the bill is not expected to make it through the Democrat-led Senate.

The current fight is over spending from 1 October onwards. Last week, Congress passed a budget bill that would cut $38.5bn in government spending over the rest of the current fiscal year, to 30 September.

Last week, Mr Obama laid out his plan to reduce the budget deficit by $4tn over 12 years.

'Political judgment'

Austan Goolsbee, the chief economist of the president's Economic Recovery Advisory Board, dismissed the change in outlook while making the rounds on US cable networks.

"What the S&P is doing is making a political judgment and it is one that we don't agree with," he told CNBC.

The S&P outlook cut comes after the International Monetary Fund (IMF) warned last week that the size of the US deficit created instability in the financial markets.

In a statement, S&P was positive about the general state of the US economy, but said: "We believe there is a material risk that US policymakers might not reach an agreement on how to address medium- and long-term budgetary challenges by 2013.

"If an agreement is not reached and meaningful implementation is not begun by then, this would in our view render the US fiscal profile meaningfully weaker than that of peer 'AAA' sovereigns."

'Wake-up call'

The US has the top AAA credit rating on its long-term bonds.

Since the US is the world's largest economy, and its debt is considered the backbone of the world's financial system, any concern over the US ability to pay its debt creates huge ripples in the world economy.

"It's a wake-up call that we need to do something," said Axel Merk, a currency fund manager in California. S&P is "absolutely correct that this is something serious that needs to be addressed."

But the US Treasury responded strongly to the change in outlook.

"We believe S&P's negative outlook underestimates the ability of America's leaders to come together to address the difficult fiscal challenges facing the nation," it said
 

layoutshooter

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These guys in Washington need to go. Starting with that Putz in the White House. All you hear out of his mouth is more taxes and even MORE spending. They are running us into the ground.
 

EnglishLady

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These guys in Washington need to go. Starting with that Putz in the White House. All you hear out of his mouth is more taxes and even MORE spending. They are running us into the ground.

But, but ......

"But the US Treasury responded strongly to the change in outlook.

"We believe S&P's negative outlook underestimates the ability of America's leaders to come together to address the difficult fiscal challenges facing the nation," it said"

:rolleyes:
 

layoutshooter

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But, but ......

"But the US Treasury responded strongly to the change in outlook.

"We believe S&P's negative outlook underestimates the ability of America's leaders to come together to address the difficult fiscal challenges facing the nation," it said"

:rolleyes:

Yeah well, I could get a more intelligent answer on this subject out of a dead garden snail. Most of those have more working brain cells than treasury or Obama combined!
 

blackpup

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My opinion is ouch ouch ouch sooner or later this iresponsibilitiy by our politcal leaders is gonna hurt big time.

jimmy
 

layoutshooter

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Yep, the Titanic sank. That is the result when a ships captain screws up. Obama is the "ships captain" of the ship known as the United States. He is a MAJOR screw up. His crew, the congress, is just as bad. The iceberg is dead ahead and I bet that they just won't sideswipe it. The are going to plow right into and the KNOW it's there. They have KNOWN it was there for AT LEAST 3 or 4 decades and have done NOTHING in that time to avoid the wreck. In fact, they rang up full speed ahead to help the wreck along.
 

dieseldiva

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Yep, the Titanic sank. That is the result when a ships captain screws up. Obama is the "ships captain" of the ship known as the United States. He is a MAJOR screw up. His crew, the congress, is just as bad. The iceberg is dead ahead and I bet that they just won't sideswipe it. The are going to plow right into and the KNOW it's there. They have KNOWN it was there for AT LEAST 3 or 4 decades and have done NOTHING in that time to avoid the wreck. In fact, they rang up full speed ahead to help the wreck along.

I'm going to be fair here and say that it didn't start with him and it probably won't end with him....we're suffering from decades of runaway spending and if they ALL don't get their acts together, we're screwed big time.
 

blackpup

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Well I think past and present political leaders need to take a big dose of responsibilty for the financial mess the U.S. finds itself in . Ordinary everyday citizens probably need one to.

jimmy
 

layoutshooter

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I'm going to be fair here and say that it didn't start with him and it probably won't end with him....we're suffering from decades of runaway spending and if they ALL don't get their acts together, we're screwed big time.

Did I not say in that paragraph that this problem has been going on for 3-4 decades?

Obama is the current captain of the "Ship of Fools" I call it that because we MUST be fools to keep voting the same bums in year and and year out.

You cannot continue to do the same thing and expect a different outcome.

For things to change you have to change.

If it hurts to pound your hand with a hammer, stop pounding it.
 

layoutshooter

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I'm going to be fair here and say that it didn't start with him and it probably won't end with him....we're suffering from decades of runaway spending and if they ALL don't get their acts together, we're screwed big time.

Did I not say in that paragraph that this problem has been going on for 3-4 decades?

Obama is the current captain of the "Ship of Fools" I call it that because we MUST be fools to keep voting the same bums in year and and year out.

You cannot continue to do the same thing and expect a different outcome.

For things to change you have to change.

If it hurts to pound your hand with a hammer, stop pounding it.
 

jpalmer

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Whats really sad. This isn't even a headline story. I love that our media is doing everything in their power to make themselves irrelevant....

Where do these people think they are going to go if the **** hits the fan?
 

dieseldiva

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Did I not say in that paragraph that this problem has been going on for 3-4 decades?

Obama is the current captain of the "Ship of Fools" I call it that because we MUST be fools to keep voting the same bums in year and and year out.

You cannot continue to do the same thing and expect a different outcome.

For things to change you have to change.

If it hurts to pound your hand with a hammer, stop pounding it.

You're stuttering again.....:p:p
 

blackpup

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Posted on the guardian UK website

The White House says in their judgement, that over the next two years they didn't see a political agreement to reduce longterm deficits.

Does this sound like leadership to anyone ?

jimmy
 

Pilgrim

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I'm going to be fair here and say that it didn't start with him and it probably won't end with him....we're suffering from decades of runaway spending and if they ALL don't get their acts together, we're screwed big time.
True, this excessive govt. spending didn't start with Obama. However, since he's been in office the deficits he's accumulated amount to more than those of all his predecessors COMBINED. The damage done to this country during his first two years in office (with Democrats controlling both houses of congress) is incalculable. Objective historians will look back on the Obama presidency as the worst ever; the overriding question will be "How was the American public convinced to vote for a radically liberal candidate so inexperienced and ill-qualified for the nation's highest office?"
 
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