US Customs Raises Rates

dieseldiva

Veteran Expediter
RE: RE%3A US Customs Raises Rates

"There lies part of the problem..NO CONFORMITY! Across the system...one gives paperwork back one does not and so on and so on......No one knows the rules...A driver doesn't know the policy of the day at that particular crossing."



True enough guys and we've often wondered if that isn't intentional just so that no one gets real comfortable with "the procedures".
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
RE: RE%3A US Customs Raises Rates

"Your "supposed to" fill out a "Inbound Manifest" fillout the top as per usual and write "EMPTY" in the frieght section."

OVM,
I am told by several people in the booth's not to hand them the inbound unless I have freight on board - period. I have gotten a bunch of badge numbers from everyone who has told me this. The last nice lady (a miracle)said the only reason she would need it is to tell her what the license plate number is on the truck. As soon as I get my new plates (thanks Michigan) I am ordering an after market plate to stop the insane harassment by people who think the plate goes on the front of the truck.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
RE: RE%3A US Customs Raises Rates

Greg..you can collect all the badge numbers ya want..at Champlain NY they'll do you no good....They have their own set of rules...

DD yeah...maybe a security thingee...grrrrrr
 

dieseldiva

Veteran Expediter
RE: RE%3A US Customs Raises Rates

Greg you bring up another "issue". We were harassed because our plate was on the back and could not be seen. Jim was trying to explain to the agent that our home state (Ohio) required only one plate and that it be displayed on the back of the vehicle. He told this agent that he had a paper to show him concerning this and I thought the guy was gonna pop a vein! He didn't want to see our "paper" and sent us on our way with a last message of "do something about that plate". Now what the heck is that? He was wrong, he knew he was wrong, and had no intention of just apologizing for it. What an azz!
 

TeamCaffee

Administrator
Staff member
Owner/Operator
RE: RE%3A US Customs Raises Rates

We had a plate issue in MA. In Missouri you have to have the plate on the front and you are also only issued one plate. We where stopped in MA and the police officer was really ticked over us not having a plate on the back. Bob tried to explain to him that in Missouri you have to have the plate on the front bumper. The Cop smarts off back to Bob you are IN MASSACHUSETTS now! Thank god I wasn't driving and he did not hear my reply of "You want us to stop at all state lines and move our license to for each state we are driving in?" But nope Bob just stays calm and told him that might be but I don't live here I live in Missouri! He got over it and we went on our way.
 

lisalewis

Seasoned Expediter
RE: RE%3A US Customs Raises Rates

We have to go inside everytime we cross back into the US because my husband's name is so common. What I want to know is, "WHY is there only one or two (at most) officers working inside?!? Now I'm not complaining about waiting 30min today in a long line to only hand our proof of citizenship to the grumpy officer to only be told to, "have a seat". Then after another 20 minutes we were finally on our way...and now late (of course). After all the officers we saw walking around couldn't a few more help the drivers that have to go inside? Or is that too much to ask?
 

dieseldiva

Veteran Expediter
RE: RE%3A US Customs Raises Rates

When you think about it, if this is the way all of the Dept. of Homeland Security is run, no wonder we have the problems we have.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
RE: RE%3A US Customs Raises Rates

I truely believe that the DHS has forgotten they are civil servants with a gun AND they are there to serve OUR needs...and the countries needs.
 

terryandrene

Veteran Expediter
Safety & Compliance
US Coast Guard
RE: RE%3A US Customs Raises Rates

Linder:

you might consider the following reply next time the nice officer in Massachusetts pulls over your truck:

"perhaps one day the politicians will standardize the commercial vehicle registration regulations to make your job and the Missouri Trooper's job a lot easier."
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
RE: RE%3A US Customs Raises Rates

OVM
They have not forgotten that they are civil servants with a gun, that's the problem.

I had an great uncle in the customs service, the old time type and he even commented a long time ago that for many it is an ego thing and the gun makes it worst.

I just found out that the company that makes the duplicate license plates is no longer taking public orders, it seems that they have too much business from the states. Too bad, their work was the best I ever seen.

BUT I have been offered a suggestion, a sign maker can reproduce the plate in a vinyl sticker and that can be mounted on a plate shape blank so I am now looking for a aluminum blank to buy that is exactly like a license plate.
 

dieseldiva

Veteran Expediter
RE: RE%3A US Customs Raises Rates

>
>BUT I have been offered a suggestion, a sign maker can
>reproduce the plate in a vinyl sticker and that can be
>mounted on a plate shape blank so I am now looking for a
>aluminum blank to buy that is exactly like a license plate.


Wouldn't you risk being illegal in your home state, or many others?
 

redytrk

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
RE: RE%3A US Customs Raises Rates

Not sure whats going on,but the last two tomes I have crossed,Customs has not collected a fee. First time she explained "computers are down". Second time no explanation.

Mind you...I am not complaining.
 

dieseldiva

Veteran Expediter
RE: RE%3A US Customs Raises Rates

>Not sure whats going on,but the last two tomes I have
>crossed,Customs has not collected a fee. First time she
>explained "computers are down". Second time no explanation.
>
>Mind you...I am not complaining.

And then you must be careful with that also. For a long time, coming back to the USA, some agents would ask for the $5 and some would not, they would wait until we offered it. We stopped offering just to see what would happen, most would pass us on through and never ask, go figure. Then we got this agent.......thought he was John Wayne.....got all upset because he had to ask, we didn't offer...boy was he irrate!!! I can still hear him saying over and over..."it's a matter of principle"! Sheesh what a stinker!!!
 

highway star

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
RE: RE%3A US Customs Raises Rates

Diva, sounds like you got one that loves to try to "push your buttons". As soon as you show some frustration with their attitude, you are deemed to have an attitude and sent back to the warehouse for the full rubber glove inspection. My last 3 crossings, when I was done working for Thompson, I got the same guy at the booth in Detroit. Young guy with a very militaristic kind of attitude. Somehow I always managed to not let them get to me. Is it really such a bad thing to give someone a friendly greeting?
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
RE: RE%3A US Customs Raises Rates

"Wouldn't you risk being illegal in your home state, or many others?"

Diesel,
Nope not at all, you first have the original plate on the truck and second you have the registration and other paperwork with the proper plate to begin with.

The idea of using the sticker to properly id the truck for weigh stations and customs is not at all a thing that can be construed as illegal or improper, you are not trying to avoid an id check. Some states still issue two plates, one for the front and back and even deleware has a flat plat that looks like a sticker.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
RE: RE%3A US Customs Raises Rates

Being in a van, whenever I cross back into the US unladen ( :) ) I am rarely asked for the Customs fee. When empty, a cargo van isn't even a commercial vehicle, though I've never argued that point with a Customs Booth officer. Figured the five bucks was well worth the hassle that they could have put me through.

Odd that two days ago I crossed back in while loaded, at Sarnia, and they didn't ask for the $10.75.

Coming back in, I handed him my ACE cover sheet. He pointed at my license plate number and asked if that was my plate.

Me, "Yes"

Him, "Where is it at?"

Me, "On the van."

Him, "No, the location."

Me, "Mounted on the license plate holder on the rear of the van, driver side door."

Him, "Which state issued the damned thing!"

Me, "Oh, KY. Who's on first, What's on second. I Don't Know - third base."

He busted out laughing.

Could have gone either way. :+

Slow and steady, even in expediting, wins the race - Aesop
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
RE: RE%3A US Customs Raises Rates

Having crossed the Canada/U.S. border several times, laden and unladen both ways, and at various crossing locations, we have never once had a problem with a U.S. or Canadian officer. We believe that is due to our professionalism and preparation as we approch the border. In other words, we are cooperative and act in ways that put the officers at ease. Such practices include:

1. Both co-drivers in the front seats when you approach the check booths.

2. If it is night time, turn on the cab interior lights so the officer can see you both.

3. Keep your hands where the officer can see them.

4. Do not offer any information the officer is not asking for.

5. If the officer does not speak when you arrive at his or her window, say, "What can I do for you?"

6. If you are wearing sunglasses, remove them before the officer may ask you to.

7. Have the required paperwork handy, on the dash or in your co-driver's hands.

8. Make sure the paperwork is in good order well before you reach the border.

9. If the officer makes off the cuff comments or gives you attitude, do not respond in kind. Answer the questions you are asked. Stay professional. Speak only about the business at hand.

10. Present passports as your ID, not a CDL. While a CDL will work, the officers seem to trust passports more. Some of them have scanners for passports.

11. Maintain a clean appearance and cab interior.

12. When you stop at the booth, turn off your engine and do not set your air brakes. Air brakes irritate the officers because they hurt their ears. Keep your foot on the brake instead.

In other words, give 'em what they want, and nothing more. Or don't and enjoy your stay at the border and visit with the nice people inside. I do not dispute that some of the U.S. officers are jerks of the first order. So what? Our purpose is to get across the border, not to prove a point while we are there.

We have had problems with paperwork and brokers when crossing the border. When they unfold, those problems and delays (sometimes overnight) lead us to us question our willingness to haul freight in and out of Canada.

With domestic freight, we are pretty much in charge of the load and paperwork. With international freight, third parties are involved and the shippers and brokers do not always know what they are doing; or they do it poorly. No matter how careful we try to be to preempt them, other people's mistakes happen and they have a funny way of bringing our truck to a halt.

We HATE it when we are parked at a border crossing overnight and either staying awake the whole night waiting for a broker to get a clue, or waking up every few hours to a phone call from dispatch or a broker wondering what is going on. Fortunately, that does not happen often enough for us to rule Canada out alltogether, but we have come close a couple of times.

Now, for the really good news.

Our carrier, FedEx Custom Critical, recently changed its border crossing procedures. Calls to brokers are no longer made by drivers. Dispatch is taking the responsibility for such calls, and to review all documents ahead of time.

That really is good news. Before, we would have to wait for a paperwork problem to deveolp at the border and then notify dispatch. Dispatch would then get to work to fix it. Now, dispatch will have everything they need ahead of time to prevent problems from happening in the first place. No more broker calls! No more getting transferred from one office to another because the first one we talked to is now closed. That is all on dispatch now.

In our case, we cross the U.S./Canada border a few times a year. Procedures change, and it is a challenge to stay on top of them. Dispatch deals with numerous border crossings every day. They know the procedures much better than us. I am very pleased that FedEx Custom Critical dispatch is doing more to improve driver border crossing experiences.

Now, if they would send us to Los Angeles, that would be just right.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Phil,
This is good but.....
There are a couple things that really need to be added or changed on your list. I have crossed the border thousands of times over my lifetime.

1. Both co-drivers in the front seats when you approach the check booths.

2. If it is night time, turn on the cab interior lights so the officer can see you both.

3. Keep your hands where the officer can see them.

4. Do not offer any information the officer is not asking for. DO Not EVER EVER LIE ABOUT SOMETHING, if there is a question that you can not answer, tell them you don’t know.

5. If the officer does not speak when you arrive at his or her window, say, "What can I do for you?" Do not say a thing until they say something to you

6. If you are wearing sunglasses, remove them before the officer may ask you to.

7. Have the required paperwork handy, on the dash or in your co-driver's hands. This is not really important as much as Number 8

8. Make sure the paperwork is in good order well before you reach the border.

9. If the officer makes off the cuff comments or gives you attitude, do not respond in kind. Answer the questions you are asked. Stay professional. Speak only about the business at hand. I don’t get people, they haven’t figured out that these guys are in charge of the situation, not the driver. If they give attitude, be complacent but firm.

10. Present passports as your ID, not a CDL. While a CDL will work, the officers seem to trust passports more. Some of them have scanners for passports. Here is where I think that handing over a license, BC and/or other forms of ID is a pain for many of them and we should only give them passports or fast cards. My last border crossing the guy in the booth wanted only my Fast card, before that it was only my passport so now I hand them both. I also hand them an inward bound manifest just in case, even though I have been told not to. The reason has been only to ID my truck.

11. Maintain a clean appearance and cab interior. Not an issue unless there is an inspection, then they may get testy and throw your belongings out on the ground out of frustration – which they are allowed to do. Oh and they don’t have to put anything back. They know that you are in a truck and know that you work for a living, so dirt, and such is not a trigger for them.

12. When you stop at the booth, turn off your engine and do not set your air brakes. Air brakes irritate the officers because they hurt their ears. Keep your foot on the brake instead.

And Phil, “FedEx Custom Critical, recently changed its border crossing procedures. Calls to brokers are no longer made by drivers. Dispatch is taking the responsibility for such calls, and to review all documents ahead of time.†Tell that to WG, they made me make all the calls and refused to help out.
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
RE: RE%3A US Customs Raises Rates

Turtle, when you are empty and crossing into the U.S. do you go through the passenger car booth or the commercial vehicle lane? I've done both and have been told I am in the wrong lane. I have paid $5 at each booth and I have also been allowed free entry.

Definitely no conformity!
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Please accept my apologies, Greg. I should have known to check with you first.
 
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