Understanding Antisemitism

[RLENT]

As some on here are fond of saying: no need to complicate the simple ...

Anti-semitism, definition of :

noun

: hatred of Jewish people

: hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group

Anti-semitism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Once one goes much beyond the above, one may well be entering the territory of subversion of the concept to a political agenda and end: ie. criticism of Israel is "anti-semitic"

This is quite possibly why the European Union has dropped the "Working Definition" which Moose originally cited:

"We are not aware of any official definition [of anti-Semitism]," Blanca Tapia of the EU’s Fundamental Rights Agency told JTA on Tuesday.

Tapia was answering a query on the recent removal from the agency's website of a “working definition” of anti-Semitism that was adopted in 2005 by the European Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia — the EU entity that her organization has replaced. The removal was first reported by the pro-Palestinian website Electronic Intifada ...

But Tapia said her organization had never viewed the document as a valid definition. Agency officials said the document had been pulled offline "together with other non-official documents."

EU drops its 'working definition' of anti-Semitism | The Times of Israel

Some further notes on the origin of the above "European Working Definition", which was apparently formulated by the European Forum on Anti-semitism which Moose linked to:

The European Forum on Antisemitism (EFA) is a project of the American Jewish Committee. It was founded in Berlin on March 13th, 2008, ‘at a conference of more than 50 Jewish leaders and experts from 15 European countries, the U.S. and Israel. The European Forum on Antisemitism assists Jewish leaders and experts accessing and exchanging relevant information on strategies to combat antisemitism.

Without knowing the exact makeup (in terms of individual nationality) of this "forum" it is hard to say exactly how "European" the EFA is really is ...

It is relatively easy to say with some certainty what the EFA is not - and that is an officially sanctioned entity/organ of the European Union ...

 

[RLENT]

A comment from an article on BDS (which is linked below) which I look take to heart:

"Supporters of boycott are forced to explain that we aren’t anti-Semites, instead."

My advice—-quit 'explaining', period.

Dont even bother, just ridicule their accusations and laugh at them.

The more you think you are 'forced' to explain yoursleves the more they will keep on with their nonsense.

Every time someone opens their mouth to defend against their anti semite slurs the conversation becomes all about the Jews and anti semitism - instead of Israel, international law, Palestine, etc - - which is exactly why they use the slurs.

Dont help them by even responding to the charge.

Stop the Nonsense: Nobody is proposing a boycott of 'the Jews'

 

[Maverick]

Oh wait, I forgot, it's ok for them as they are the "chosen people". :-\

They are not chosen people. That has only been the claim in roughly the last century....by modernist and liberal theologists.

 

[Turtle]

They are not chosen people. That has only been the claim in roughly the last century....by modernist and liberal theologists.

Well, and anyone prior to the last century who's ever read Deuteronomy 14:2. And anyone who has read the (Qur'an 2:47). 2:122.

Of course, most Christians have long stood fast on biblical interpretations that the Church supersedes and replaces Israel in God's plan, and that the New Covenant utterly nullifies the Biblical promises made to Israel, including the Abrahamic Covenant, The Land Covenant, and the Davidic Covenant.

Of course, the Old Testament was written by Jews and the New Testament was written by Christians.

 

[aquitted]

Well, and anyone prior to the last century who's ever read Deuteronomy 14:2. And anyone who has read the (Qur'an 2:47). 2:122.

Of course, most Christians have long stood fast on biblical interpretations that the Church supersedes and replaces Israel in God's plan, and that the New Covenant utterly nullifies the Biblical promises made to Israel, including the Abrahamic Covenant, The Land Covenant, and the Davidic Covenant.

Of course, the Old Testament was written by Jews and the New Testament was written by Christians.

Wrong answer but thsnks for playing. That is called replacement Theology and is NOT the view of most Christians or Theologians.

 

[Maverick]

Well, and anyone prior to the last century who's ever read Deuteronomy 14:2. And anyone who has read the (Qur'an 2:47). 2:122.

Of course, most Christians have long stood fast on biblical interpretations that the Church supersedes and replaces Israel in God's plan, and that the New Covenant utterly nullifies the Biblical promises made to Israel, including the Abrahamic Covenant, The Land Covenant, and the Davidic Covenant.

Of course, the Old Testament was written by Jews and the New Testament was written by Christians.

Wrong, wrong, and wrong. Your speaking of those who believe in replacement theology. Nobody was replaced, anywhere. Believers/Gentiles would be grafted into the tree, with Christ's church representing the New Israel, and the New Jerusalem in Heaven.

There are no special people....outside of those who believe, and are born again Christians; be they Jew, or Gentile. God's conditional requirements were not met by Israel of OT, while the unconditional promises were all fulfilled by Joshua.

No one should ever claim the Jews have been replaced. To do so is biblical error and close to an abomination. However, the OT examples and unconditional promises made now include all Gentiles who are saved through grace. This business of special people was not preached by the mighty men of God following the Reformation, or before. It is relatively new, and false.

 

[Maverick]

Wrong answer but thsnks for playing. That is called replacement Theology and is NOT the view of most Christians or Theologians.

You beat me to it!

 

[Turtle]

Wrong answer but thsnks for playing. That is called replacement Theology and is NOT the view of most Christians or Theologians.

Actually, it's called Supersessionism, with "replacement theology" and "fulfillment theology" being the pejorative euphemisms for it. And if it wasn't the view of most Christians, then they wouldn't be selectively setting aside most of the things in Deuteronomy and other things in the Old Testament because "they don't apply to me." It's the position that the Christian church has replaced national Israel regarding the plan, purpose, and promises of God. Like, when the Bible speaks of Israel being restored to the land, what that really means is the Christian church and Christians will be blessed. It's the firm position that God in no longer all about the Jews, but is all about Christians. I know very, very few Christians who don't have that view.

 

[Maverick]

It matters little what people espouse or believe. It's what the scripture's teach. It does not teach replacement, or special people as a race. Period.

 

[aquitted]

Actually, it's called Supersessionism, with "replacement theology" and "fulfillment theology" being the pejorative euphemisms for it. And if it wasn't the view of most Christians, then they wouldn't be selectively setting aside most of the things in Deuteronomy and other things in the Old Testament because "they don't apply to me." It's the position that the Christian church has replaced national Israel regarding the plan, purpose, and promises of God. Like, when the Bible speaks of Israel being restored to the land, what that really means is the Christian church and Christians will be blessed. It's the firm position that God in no longer all about the Jews, but is all about Christians. I know very, very few Christians who don't have that view.

Thats funny because I know very few (actualy none) that believe that horse hockey I think your full of b.c. on this and need to be turned upside down on your shell so the blood...never mind.

 

[Turtle]

It matters little what people espouse or believe. It's what the scripture's teach. It does not teach replacement, or special people as a race. Period.

I agree with you, except it's the way people interpret the scriptures that they believe.

 

[Turtle]

Thats funny because I know very few (actualy none) that believe that horse hockey I think your full of b.c. on this and need to be turned upside down on your shell so the blood...never mind.

So, clearly, this is not a subject you can intelligently discuss, as you very quickly abandoned the issue and moved straight to an ad hominem. Good to know. Thanks.

 

[Ragman]

 

[aquitted]

No He didn't give up and He didn't TAP OUT either! so stop your foolishness.

 

[davekc]

Your Jesus is white.

 

[RLENT]

Your Jesus is white.

Looks more pasty grey to me

Could just be the lighting tho' ...

 

[Ragman]

Your Jesus is white.

Trouble maker.

 

[davekc]

I just figured out that you can change his color if you tilt your computer screen.

 

[moose]

Criticizing Israel is not anti-Semitic. On the contrary, it is an obligation to criticize ANY country for its wrongdoings.

But when only the Jewish State is harshly criticized, while other states, which commit real atrocities, are systematically ignored by the world media and academia, as well as the UN other human rights organizations, & posters on EO,one must ask if anti-Semitism is not at play.

 

[RLENT]

Criticizing Israel is not anti-Semitic. On the contrary, it is an obligation to criticize ANY country for its wrongdoings.

Well gee ... I don't think I ever got that impression from you ... starting with the very first criticism I ever leveled at Israel ...

In fact, it was my general impression from listening to you, that none of it is ever Israel's fault - it's always the other guys.

Additionally, when I, at one point awhile back, made a post - which was intended to point out the source/horrors of real anti-semitism - you nearly came unglued and essentially accused me of being anti-semitic.

That tells me that you have a real problem with accurate discernment ... and EAASL probably don't help matters.

But when only the Jewish State is harshly criticized, while other states, which commit real atrocities, are systematically ignored by the world media and academia, as well as the UN other human rights organizations, & posters on EO, one must ask if anti-Semitism is not at play.

Evidently you haven't been paying attention ... I have very harshly criticized my own country and it's various institutions repeatedly - in fact, I probably have at least 5 or 6 year history of doing so on this forum alone.

You - unfortunately - can't make that claim yourself - because your criticism of Israel has been negligible and mild ... at best ...

Furthermore, I have a track record beyond that - having produced a number of video reports on the ethnic cleansing and genocide either committed or instigated by the "Muslim" government of Sudan, against both South Sudan and Darfur.

You can ask any questions you'd like - but I won't be letting that divert me off pointing out things I think need to be pointed out.