Unconditional income

[cheri1122]

More of a socialist plan but we are halfway there here in the US> We don't per se have income limitations, but we do have "unconditional income". We just happen to call it government assistance or welfare.

Describing government assistance or welfare as 'unconditional income' just shows you've never applied for any: the conditions are numerous. When I applied for unemployment compensation, [which I earned & paid for in advance], the process took hours, the verification of everything was stringent, and the rules were inflexible: break one, and disqualification is immediate.
I can only imagine how much worse it is when applying for benefits one hasn't earned or paid for.

 

[davekc]

Describing government assistance or welfare as 'unconditional income' just shows you've never applied for any: the conditions are numerous. When I applied for unemployment compensation, [which I earned & paid for in advance], the process took hours, the verification of everything was stringent, and the rules were inflexible: break one, and disqualification is immediate.
I can only imagine how much worse it is when applying for benefits one hasn't earned or paid for.

Unemployment yes...you paid in to it. Most that have a lifestyle of welfare, not so much. That is why I personally think there should be a limit on the amount of benefits drawn.
Is it hard to to apply for benefits you aren't entitled to? Easy peasy thanks to Obama. Now there are no checks, no applying for jobs or anything else. Just show up once a year to renew.
Want disability, no problem if willing to wait six months. Sixty minutes just did a show on it. Run them through like cattle and get them approved whether they have a disability or not.
Lawyers and people recieving the benefits are laughing all the way to the bank.

 

[cheri1122]

Dave, 'welfare' is administered by each state, according to their own rules [with some federal stipulations]. I don't believe the states just hand over money to anyone who asks, with no strings attached.
I recall just last year, a woman killed herself and two children in the welfare office, when she couldn't get any help because she couldn't provide all the documentation they required, because all her papers were in a storage facility in another state. [It was in Texas, I think,] She kept trying, they kept turning her down.
And I thought disability has a tremendous backlog, like years of waiting for a decision?

 

[davekc]

Dave, 'welfare' is administered by each state, according to their own rules [with some federal stipulations]. I don't believe the states just hand over money to anyone who asks, with no strings attached.
I recall just last year, a woman killed herself and two children in the welfare office, when she couldn't get any help because she couldn't provide all the documentation they required, because all her papers were in a storage facility in another state. [It was in Texas, I think,] She kept trying, they kept turning her down.
And I thought disability has a tremendous backlog, like years of waiting for a decision?

Disability is roughly six months according to sixty minutes report last week. That is using a disability attoney that can move a case quick with their own doctors. That was the whole premise of the story.
With regards to welfare, Fox did an hour show on a guy from Los ANgeles where they followed him around and he explained and bragged how easy it was to game the system. Someone already has a link here on EO. That isn't a isolated case as the same thing gets reported here in TN and in FL.
Rules have changed quite a bit since last year.

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/08/1...erview-unabashed-surfer-receiving-food-stamps

 

[letzrockexpress]

Anyway,The bottomline is public company shareholders have no way to effectively control a board of directors and therefore have no say in executive compensation. Leaving the board free to fleece the company, which they do.

You knew that when you invested in whatever you bought... Buyer beware.

As for the rest of the rebuttal comments they aren't worth rebutting.

Yeah right, of course they aren't. They're correct.

 

[RLENT]

Want disability, no problem if willing to wait six months. Sixty minutes just did a show on it.

Oh ... it must be true then ...

Run them through like cattle and get them approved whether they have a disability or not.

I have a friend who is, essentially, legally blind at this point ... took him a couple of years and going court to fight repeated determinations against him for him to qualify ...

But then Ohio is apparently the toughest state in the nation to qualify for disability.

Lawyers and people recieving the benefits are laughing all the way to the bank.

I can tell you for a fact my friend isn't ... he'd gladly take his eyesight back and forego the meager subsistence disability provides ...

BTW - I certainly don't disagree that some - even many - game the system ...

 

[davekc]

Oh ... it must be true then ...


I have a friend who is, essentially, legally blind at this point ... took him a couple of years and going court to fight repeated determinations against him for him to qualify ...

But then Ohio is apparently the toughest state in the nation to qualify for disability.


I can tell you for a fact my friend isn't ... he'd gladly take his eyesight back and forego the meager subsistence disability provides ...

BTW - I certainly don't disagree that some - even many - game the system ...

I don't question for a minute your friends struggles and I think that was the case for many and still might be. The sixty minute story was based on such a huge upswing this year on approved applicants. Many are bogus claims and many are using it as a vehicle for income when unemployment runs out. It appears based on their story that many attorneys and doctors work together with certain judges to get applications approved quickly.
Judges counter that their caseload is so huge they just rush them through.

 

[xiggi]

Oh ... it must be true then ...


I have a friend who is, essentially, legally blind at this point ... took him a couple of years and going court to fight repeated determinations against him for him to qualify ...

But then Ohio is apparently the toughest state in the nation to qualify for disability.


I can tell you for a fact my friend isn't ... he'd gladly take his eyesight back and forego the meager subsistence disability provides ...

BTW - I certainly don't disagree that some - even many - game the system ...

The facts are the numbers on disability has swelled in the last couple years. Most of us knew people who were denied at first and had to go the lawyer route. I have heard many times it is routine to have the first application denied.

If I may ask how recent was your friends ordeal?

Sent from my Fisher Price - ABC 123

 

[RLENT]

The facts are the numbers on disability has swelled in the last couple years. Most of us knew people who were denied at first and had to go the lawyer route. I have heard many times it is routine to have the first application denied.

If I may ask how recent was your friends ordeal?

Occurred over the last few years ... I think the final determination in court was within the last two IIRC.