Two Wins for FREEDOM!

[layoutshooter]

The Constitution and freedom was upheld TWICE in the Supreme Court! Two wins for the Constitution, two wins for freedom!

Obama MUST be voted out. Give that Putz another shot at the court and the Constitution, our freedom and country will be toast.

I wonder if that is why BATF&E is waiting to release the final 'rule' on importation of semi-automatic shotguns that are capable of having a 'pistol grip' installed. Which, by the way, is EVERY semi-auto, pump, double barrel, over and under and single shot shotgun made any where on the planet. They want ALL semi-auto shotguns, rifles and hand guns outlawed. They must go away.

Twin Pro-Gun Rulings Issued

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Pro-gun groups won a pair of legal decisions yesterday. A federal court in Maryland ruled that the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms extends beyond the home and that citizens may not be required to offer "a good and substantial reason" for obtaining concealed carry permits. The case, Woollard v. Sheridan, was brought in 2010 by the Second Amendment Foundation on behalf of Maryland resident Raymond Woollard who was denied his concealed carry permit. In the decision, Federal District Court Judge Benson Everett Legg noted "In addition to self-defense, the (Second Amendment) right was also understood to allow for militia membership and hunting. To secure these rights, the Second Amendments protections must extend beyond the home: neither hunting nor militia training is a household activity, and self-defense has to take place wherever [a] person happens to be'."


Meanwhile, the Colorado Supreme Court handed a win to Students for Concealed Carry on Campus (SCC) as it ruled that the Board of Regents of the University of Colorado did not have the right to restrict legal concealed carry on campus. The court's decision was affirmed on statutory grounds and did not rule on the SCC's constitution arguments against the ban on concealed carry on University of Colorado grounds. SCC was founded five years ago following the Virginia Tech massacre. There are now chapters across the United States.

 

[greg334]

Wow I was expecting an outlawing of the republican party or something like that.

While this is good, it is only effective in those states and no where else.

 

[layoutshooter]

Wow I was expecting an outlawing of the republican party or something like that.

While this is good, it is only effective in those states and no where else.

Well, outlawing the Republican party would only solve 1/3 of the problem.

It can, and will, be applied across the board. Freedom is not restricted to certain States and NOT granted by any government. Freedom is man's most basic RIGHT. Too bad Obama and most of the government does not believe that. Too bad so many every american's don't want freedom either. ALL American's do.

We just need to insure we keep a court that even sort of believes in the Constitution and individual freedoms. That of course means NO Romney, and without a doubt, NO OBAMA! It is going to be a tough election. No one to vote for AGAIN!

 

[greg334]

Well, outlawing the Republican party would only solve 1/3 of the problem.

I agree, outlawing dumb people would work too.

It can, and will, be applied across the board. Freedom is not restricted to certain States and NOT granted by any government. Freedom is man's most basic RIGHT. Too bad Obama and most of the government does not believe that. Too bad so many every american's don't want freedom either. ALL American's do.

I would agree with you but here is the thing, when a state has a ruling, the other states don't abide by that ruling because they are not part of that state. What needs to be done is more than just a couple states get up and demand their rights, because there is something that many don't understand or miss when they take some constitutional classes - a term that I don't remember - which has the states being equal to the federal courts through the laws itself. That pretty much means the district courts do not have rights over the states because they are equal. The states do not enforce that right, like California and their state constitution which I remember right can't be judged by any court.

We just need to insure we keep a court that even sort of believes in the Constitution and individual freedoms. That of course means NO Romney, and without a doubt, NO OBAMA! It is going to be a tough election. No one to vote for AGAIN!

But see here is the thing, Obama hasn't done as much damage as others have and pretty much he will get elected with any of the three stooges running in the primary. Paul would give him a problem because Paul seems to be liked by the youth more than Obama.

 

[layoutshooter]

The People enforce their rights, not the States or courts. The People are the power.

Obama WILL do more damage that any before when he is reelected. That was the plan from the start. Get the first win, stay sort of calm to get reelected and then raise holy hell with the Constitution.

The republican's are 1/4 of the problem, the democrats are 1/4, 1/4 of the problem are those in office today, and 1/4 are the idiots who are willing to give away their freedom.

 

[AMonger]

The Constitution and freedom was upheld TWICE in the Supreme Court! Two wins for the Constitution, two wins for freedom!

Really? Is Alaska/Vermont carry the law of the land from coast to coast? Then freedom and the Constitution didn't win.

Obama MUST be voted out. Give that Putz another shot at the court and the Constitution, our freedom and country will be toast. [/FONT][/COLOR]

What you either don't realize or neglect to mention is the outcome is the same if Romney, Santorum, or Gingrich is elected. There's not a nickel's worth of difference between them and the Obammunist.


2012: Ron Paul or not at all.
The lesser of two evils is still evil.

 

[AMonger]

Obama hasn't done as much damage as others have and pretty much he will get elected with any of the three stooges running in the primary. Paul would give him a problem because Paul seems to be liked by the youth more than Obama.

Only Ron Paul is not Obama-lite. Unless the Republican nominee is Ron Paul, there's no reason to elect a Republican because the other 3 are essentially Obama.



2012: Ron Paul or not at all.
The lesser of two evils is still evil.

 

[LDB]

You've been abducted by one of the lunatics you see on the forensics shows. This one is even crazier than most. There's a glass of poison, full strength and guaranteed to kill you, a glass of diluted poison guaranteed to make you sick as a dog and hate the world but will not kill you, and lastly there's a soda. Sadly, the soda is just for show. You can't have it. You MUST consume one or the other of the poisons or get a bullet in the head. Now, you purists that demand soda or nothing since mild poison is identical to full strength poison in your minds go ahead and drink the full strength poison or refuse to participate thereby taking the bullet to the head. Those that can see that really bad is actually not the same as deadly, in the absence of the choice they really want, will do their best to avoid death.

 

[greg334]

The People enforce their rights, not the States or courts. The People are the power.

No I wish it was that way but it isn't. The people have no rights unless they take steps to elect people who understand who works for who. It is like the idea that we need educated, professional politicians who can 'lead' the country. Nothing is further from the truth. The people need to demand that there is no politician who serves more than two terms, but that's not going to happen and yours is a perfect example of the problem in this country - 50 plus years in the same seat and doing nothing. Another illustration is that congressman who retired and the house bent over backwards to show her how important she is, sorry she wasn't and when she was shot, her seat should have been vacated and someone else stepped into it.

Obama WILL do more damage that any before when he is reelected. That was the plan from the start. Get the first win, stay sort of calm to get reelected and then raise holy hell with the Constitution.

HE can only do so much damage, and so far he has NOT done what Bush has. If we want to talk about constitutional damage, lets start with some of the Patriot Act and then progress to the formation of the DHS, all of which expands the powers of the feds under the guise of protecting us. Obama's biggest slam against the constitution has been targeting American civilians in foreign lands and trying to justify it all by extending the same thing Bush started.

I think he will be reelected, I don't want him to be reelected but I can't make the republican party get smart over night and stop being like the liberals they so much hate but love.

The republican's are 1/4 of the problem, the democrats are 1/4, 1/4 of the problem are those in office today, and 1/4 are the idiots who are willing to give away their freedom.

Well here is the problem with that, I view the parties as one half of the issue, this includes those who are in office, the institution that not just Washington has but from the local cities and townships to the states to the feds, it has the same mentality driving all of it. SO the other half of the problem isn't with those who are collecting welfare or not paying taxes, it is with everyone who thinks, feels or demands that they have part of the action - from government handouts in pensions to welfare to Social Security and Medicare - all of them drive the same message to the state and federal governments that everything is alright as long as the people get what they want, "their" money. I think the biggest group that has supported the present system and done more damage to the country isn't the liberal/socialist who put Obama in office but it is the senior citizens who sit there finding people to vote for who are perpetuating the failing system that pays them the money they think they deserve. Take it or leave it, nothing will change until this ME first attitude is gone.

 

[AMonger]

You've been abducted by one of the lunatics you see on the forensics shows. This one is even crazier than most. There's a glass of poison, full strength and guaranteed to kill you, a glass of diluted poison guaranteed to make you sick as a dog and hate the world but will not kill you, and lastly there's a soda. Sadly, the soda is just for show. You can't have it. You MUST consume one or the other of the poisons or get a bullet in the head. Now, you purists that demand soda or nothing since mild poison is identical to full strength poison in your minds go ahead and drink the full strength poison or refuse to participate thereby taking the bullet to the head. Those that can see that really bad is actually not the same as deadly, in the absence of the choice they really want, will do their best to avoid death.

But we CAN have the soda. It's just that you've been tricked into believing you can't have the soda, and it's so effective that you're telling other people they can't have the soda. The only reason "we" can't have the soda is because people won't reach for it. More accurately, we're being told our choice is Coke or Pepsi, and people won't sweep them off the table and demand the cool, fresh lemonade that's RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM.

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You know the problem with bad cops? They make the other 5% look bad.

 

[AMonger]

Oh, and by the way, both poisons WILL kill us. It's only CLAIMED that it won't, but there's really no difference between the two.

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You know the problem with bad cops? They make the other 5% look bad.

 

[witness23]

You've been abducted by one of the lunatics you see on the forensics shows. This one is even crazier than most. There's a glass of poison, full strength and guaranteed to kill you, a glass of diluted poison guaranteed to make you sick as a dog and hate the world but will not kill you, and lastly there's a soda. Sadly, the soda is just for show. You can't have it. You MUST consume one or the other of the poisons or get a bullet in the head. Now, you purists that demand soda or nothing since mild poison is identical to full strength poison in your minds go ahead and drink the full strength poison or refuse to participate thereby taking the bullet to the head. Those that can see that really bad is actually not the same as deadly, in the absence of the choice they really want, will do their best to avoid death.

Not really sure what you just said above, but it did remind me of one of my favorite movie scenes:

 

[layoutshooter]

It makes no sense to me to believe that there is only ONE PERSON in the entire country that can turn this mess around. There must be more than one, and at any rate, NO one person could. It will take the efforts of countless people. The congress would need wholesale change before anything can be done to fix this.

The BEST we can hope to do in Nov is slow it down and work even harder to get the congress changed in 2014.

 

[AMonger]

It makes no sense to me to believe that there is only ONE PERSON in the entire country that can turn this mess around. There must be more than one, and at any rate, NO one person could. It will take the efforts of countless people. The congress would need wholesale change before anything can be done to fix this.

The BEST we can hope to do in Nov is slow it down and work even harder to get the congress changed in 2014.

I'm sure there's more than one. But there's only one running. And he may not be able to do it. His chances, even if elected, are slim. But that beats none, which is what we have with every other nationally recognized candidate.

There will be no 2014, not as a free nation. We'll be the Fourth Reich before that. Ron Paul is the last exit off the highway that takes us over that cliff. Pass it by and we're through.

But you know what's funny? Idiots will still sing and believe that horrid Lee Greenwood song, and will still sing "the la-and of the freeeeeeeeee, and the home of the brave," even after the Gestapo expands their molestations from the airports to the shopping malls, and Operation VIPR is rolled out coast to coast, and we're showing ze papers multiple times a day. After all, according to the Gestapo, "We're the Transportation Security Agency, not the Airport Security Agency."

Remember Solzhenitsyn's lament in The Gulag Archipelago, how they lamented once they were in the camps how they didn't love freedom enough; how, if they'd only resisted Stalin's men when they had the chance, the mass arrests couldn't have happened? Maybe in a couple years--that is, when it's too late--you'll look back and lament how you shouldn't have believed that Ron Paul couldn't be elected, and should have objected when the GOP openly stole primaries and caucuses from him in several states. Or, for all I know, maybe you'll look back and rub your hands in glee at how you helped pull it all off.

Or you could openly and unabashedly back Ron Paul, 100%, though it's a little late now.

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You know the problem with bad cops? They make the other 5% look bad.

 

[layoutshooter]

It was always too late to back Dr. Paul. He never really ran and it was FAR late any way.

There will be a 2014, maybe no United States of America, but there will be a 2014.

IF Obama does what I expect him to do soon after his reelection, there will be bloodshed.

 

[greg334]

But see layout, you missed the point completely, it isn't about Ron Paul, it is about the liberty he is talking about. By saying you won't back him or it is too late, you may already see that liberty is a lost cause.

If he was nominated, he would have lost but he would have spurred others to take on the fight, which is what I said in another thread that was started with some other stuff we already knew about - read the book, learn how to fight them at their level and use their techniques with the same passion that you have for other things and you will see liberty return.

 

[layoutshooter]

But see layout, you missed the point completely, it isn't about Ron Paul, it is about the liberty he is talking about. By saying you won't back him or it is too late, you may already see that liberty is a lost cause.

If he was nominated, he would have lost but he would have spurred others to take on the fight, which is what I said in another thread that was started with some other stuff we already knew about - read the book, learn how to fight them at their level and use their techniques with the same passion that you have for other things and you will see liberty return.

But see Greg, I missed nothing. liberty is gone. Don't speak to me about 'passion'. Those of us who have 'passion' for this Country, our Liberty and our Constitution are often ridiculed. Our president and most of our congress looks on people like me as a 'danger'.

THEY are the "domestic enemy", not I. I will uphold my oath, with the same passion I did when I served and protected our Constitution for more than 20 years. I am prepared to fight, are you?

 

[RLENT]

Wow I was expecting an outlawing of the republican party or something like that.

He said two - so I figured it would be both the Republicrats ...... and the Demopublicans ......

 

[layoutshooter]

He said two - so I figured it would be both the Republicrats ...... and the Demopublicans ......

Have not seen you of late, doin' OK?

Yeah, they both need to go, along with ALL current elected officials.

 

[RLENT]

liberty is gone.

Taken by the State .... and it minions ....

Don't speak to me about 'passion'. Those of us who have 'passion' for this Country, our Liberty and our Constitution are often ridiculed.

Yeah .... and I remember Bush I - a former Director of the CIA - saying:

..... “I’ve abandoned free-market principles .... to save the free-market system ...”

We've had a number of examples from members (whom I would classify, to a man as militaristic), expounding how "ideals" (from which one derives principles) are something that are unrealistic in the "real world" ....

I imagine that somewhat depends on exactly what type of world one is willing to tolerate (and to be responsible for creating)

Our president and most of our congress looks on people like me as a 'danger'. THEY are the "domestic enemy"

Some of them are part of it .... but they ain't all of the problem.

Let's be real clear here ..... there are those in the bureaucracy - including many (but not all) in, or connected with, the intelligence community that view anyone who is opposed to the idea of the State, either as it exists, or how they believe it ought to exist (as opposed to how the Founders envisioned it, and how the Constitution requires it) as a danger and a potential "enemy" ....

And the heinous acts these folks have committed in furtherance of their goals are legion.

not I.

Maybe not now .... but you once worked for an organization .... and were part of a larger community .... that, as a matter of practice, subverted the Constitution .... and clearly still does ... and most folks probably don't even know the half of it ....

I well remember your repeated howls of protest when I initially start raising the issue of the immoral (and illegal) activities of the intelligence community - I considered your responses at the time to be non-responsive, and filled (knowingly or unknowingly) with misinformation and misdirection .... indicative of a state of denial ... or worse .... and I still do ....

I will uphold my oath, with the same passion I did when I served and protected our Constitution for more than 20 years. I am prepared to fight, are you?

Well, some of us have been fighting .... in one way or another, for quite some time ....