Conspiracies, conspiracies everywhere.
Hey I'm just using the argument that is used by others in this forum, which you normally are in agreement with. Now it's all about conspiracies.
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Two Time CREW "Most Corrupt In Congress" Award Winner
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Hey I'm just using the argument that is used by others in this forum, which you normally are in agreement with. Now it's all about conspiracies.
RLENT
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It's not about conspiracies, it's about political agendas. The facts and numbers from my earlier post speak for themselves. In the seven year period beginning in 2005 CREW has identified 134 individuals as being the most corrupt members of congress: 96 Republican (72%) compared to 38 Democrat (28%).Hey I'm just using the argument that is used by others in this forum, which you normally are in agreement with. Now it's all about conspiracies.
See also: CREW | Most Corrupt Members Of Congress | Watchdog Group | The Daily Caller
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
Clearly - as is your post.
Motivations for political agendas can be many - some are highly partisan, others not so much .....
Some might even transcend party ...
If they truly did, you wouldn't have to be engaging in an effort to spin that it is so ....... and in the process, using logical fallacy to do so ......
Of course, what you choose to see and hear, may well be different than what others, who, not benefitting from looking thru your political glasses with their partisan lenses, see and hear .....
“Congressional approval ratings are at an all-time low, and one look at this collection of Washington’s worst shows why,” CREW Executive Director Melanie Sloan said in a statement. “Neither political party has a monopoly on shady conduct. In fact, it’s the only thing that seems bipartisan these days.”
Yup - sounds highly partisan and nefarious to me .....
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Congressional approval is always low. She is just stating the obvious.
She isn't just going to just come out and say "Just the republicans are the bad guys". That would be seen as highly partisan, and she would definately know partisan having worked for Schumer,Biden and Conyers. Three of the most partisan hacks in congress. Melanie Sloan has to sprinkle in some bad democrats on the list to give the appearance of objectivity.
She isn't just going to just come out and say "Just the republicans are the bad guys". That would be seen as highly partisan, and she would definately know partisan having worked for Schumer,Biden and Conyers. Three of the most partisan hacks in congress. Melanie Sloan has to sprinkle in some bad democrats on the list to give the appearance of objectivity.
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
Ahhhh ...... what she was stating happens to be true (Congressional approval is at an all time low)
And what you just said above is just silly - not because it isn't true (it is) - but because it really has no bearing whatsoever on what she said ... it just isn't the same at all. It's simply an attempt at diversion by strawman .....
You know what the real crackup is ?
When someone has drunk so deeply of the Kool-Aid, they don't even realize that they themselves are incapable of seeing anything from something other than a partisan viewpoint.
Such a statement is really kind silly - first off, because it is not accurate as stated, and indicates a basic misunderstanding (and fundamental ignorance) about how Washington actually works.
Sloan worked as Counsel for various Committees, who were chaired by the individuals you named. That isn't exactly the same as "working for Schumer, Biden and Conyers"
Your statement assumes that any and all Congressional employees are necessarily partisan, and further - that all such employees are highly partisan - that is not the case, as there is often a huge difference between professional staff, and personal staff who work directly for a particular Congressman or Congresswoman.
Often times folks are employed as staff (to Committees) because of their professional records and competence. In fact, sometimes (but not in this case), such people are not even of same political affiliation, as those they "work" for. Imagine that.
Of course, the above is not something one is likely to know as a consequence of watching MSNBC or Fox (C-SPAN maybe) - but it is something one would know if one had ever been there, and had ever dealt with, or worked with, any of these people.
So bottomline: running off about something which one apparently has no real clue about, and has no real understanding of, is just so much verbal and mental diarrhea ....
Well, unfortunately the problem is you have spent the entirety of your time addressing this matter in trying to attack the messenger - apparently in an effort to divert and avoid actually dealing with the real issue - which is Santorum's corruption.
As a consequence, one has to conclude that you are not at all in any way objective - if you want to understand what honest objectivity is, try reading the following - which comes from some who is a partisan (on the opposite side of CREW):
“I tried to warn Republicans,” says Tom Fitton, president of the ultraconservative legal group Judicial Watch. “You cannot countenance corruption and pretend it’s not there. Voters get very angry about that.” Even Fitton has a grudging admiration for CREW’s work. “Republicans have to understand that there’s a group out there that’s watching them closely, and that’s good.”
If one wants to explore an alternative explanation to the partisan spin from our resident neocon echo chamber for the disparity between Republicans and Democrats in CREW's report, the following article (which the above quote is from), offers a completely plausible one:
The Most Feared Woman on Capitol Hill?
At the point where one is willing to throw honesty, personal integrity, and character out the window and turn a blind eye corruption (to say nothing of defending it) ..... solely for partisan advantage, one can hardly lay any claim to "objectivity" (among a lot of other things) .....
Such activity is why normal folks tend not to want to associate themselves with political parties who are largely composed of highly partisan folks with a similar mindset.
Having to take a shower once a day is plenty enough .....
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This group and the person that heads this group Melanie Sloan clearly has a political axe to grind. It is really humorous to see some turn a blind eye to the blatant liberal bias this group posseses if it achieves their objective of tarnishing Santorum so that they could help their candidate. They are so willing to lop up CREW's allegations as indesputable facts. So bias is this organization that one has to wonder how much exculpatory information they ignore when investigating someone who doesn't fit their liberal agenda's template. This would create a investigation filled with trumped up charges based on half truths,non truths and ommission of truths and essentially render their investigation garbage in, garbage out. This group is also defending Anthony Weiner and John Edwards. Very telling indeed.
Buffoon of the Week: Melanie Sloan and CREW | Moore Common Sense
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
LOL .... do you have any actual exculpatory evidence for the allegations against Mr. Santorum ?
Or do you just want to try continue to try and tar the messenger with websites that engage in name calling and guilt by association ?
Cause if you want to play that game, I'll the throw ya the Center for Consumer Freedom who is cited in the blog post ya linked ..... just for starters .....
So .... what about it .. you up to playing there Player ?
Or do you just want to try continue to try and tar the messenger with websites that engage in name calling and guilt by association ?
Cause if you want to play that game, I'll the throw ya the Center for Consumer Freedom who is cited in the blog post ya linked ..... just for starters .....
So .... what about it .. you up to playing there Player ?
chefdennis
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So Santorum is considered the most corrupt in congress when he was there by a liberal group...so what??? I have said ill be voting for RP in the Ohio primary and for the WH if he gets that far....if anyone here thinks any of those running for the presidency is all completely completely squeaky clean and beyond reproach and not corrupt or corruptable owes or will not owe anyone or any group..including RP, please.....Modern politics is all about who you can get over on and who's help you can get to do so....they all either owe or will owe someone and favors will be called in and fulfilled....