Truly the end is near.......lmao!!!

chefdennis

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Other then the religious righteous indignation of those on the right, what the difference between a gay republican and a gay democrat?? I mean its not a hidden deal that the "banking queen" is gay..he even got his gay lover(s) jobs within the fed gov with his "power" of elected office....So what if this guy isn't all about the republican party and their gay aganda..but just a gay guy that is a republican...
 

Tennesseahawk

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It's just dripping with both irony and hypocrisy. A really large plank in the GOP's foundation is the conservative religious right's position on homosexuality. In his press conference where he came out he tried to play both sides of the fence on the gay marriage issue, because he's supported candidates in the past who are anti-gay all the way, including anti-gay marriage, and now he's gay and he doesn't want to lose any of those votes, either. He built his entire reputation on standing shoulder-to-shoulder (or cheek-to-cheek, if you will) with the GOP party and it's platforms. That's newsworthy, especially since he's a candidate for Congress.

When a very loud and outspoken conservative who appears walking along the fence side-by-side with John McCain in campaign ads comes out of the closet, that alone is newsworthy, especially when in those ads Paul Babeu looks at McCain and says, "You're one of us." You can't make that up.

So it's just as bad if anti-war liberals have stock in Halliburton, right? The hypocrisy? The irony? Nah... liberals are EXPECTED to do crap like that. Not that I'm defending this *******. I'm not. But when the pendulum swings the other way, we just don't hear about it.
 

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This is not idle gossip. This is a gay Republican sheriff who is also a candidate for Congress who held a press conference, in front of video cameras and everything.
 

Turtle

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Other then the religious righteous indignation of those on the right, what the difference between a gay republican and a gay democrat??.

Other than the religious righteous indignation of those on the right, what's the difference between a Pro Choice republican and a Pro Choice democrat?

The answer to both is the oxymoron factor. Its a donkey proclaiming himself to have tusks and a trunk, when he plainly does not.

Its like a democrat stumping for less entitlement spending and lower taxes for the rich, or a republican stumping for Obamacare and the redistribution of wealth. It's like finding.out that Chef Dennis secretly donated two grand to the Re-elect Barry Campaign. Or that Ron Paul is one of the worlds most powerful arms smugglers.
 

cheri1122

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I don't follow the issue of sexual orientation of politicians since it is nothing more than gossip so I couldn't answer that.

Politicians have made sexual orientation an issue [one that many of us have little interest in], using 'family values' as code for the patriarchal white heterosexual Christian society they believe is best for everyone, which makes their sexual orientation relevant. Particularly when they publish pics in gay dating mags.

If a Republican or anyone decides to live in the closet what right does someone have to out that person.

The right to expose hypocritical officials to the citizens who vote.

This reporter/gossip columnist wrote this with no other intention than to sell news product and attack a Republican.

I sure wish you guys who can read minds and "know" the real intentions of others would explain how you get that knowledge.....
Attack a Republican? That's funny, right there.

There are some serious reasons to doubt this story but they are perfectly willing to trample this man's wishes and integrity for their own gain.

If Babeau's wish is to present himself as something he's not, he HAS no integrity.
If the writer is wrong, then all he's gained is a reputation no writer would profit from - and he doesn't sound that stupid to me.


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paullud

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This is not idle gossip. This is a gay Republican sheriff who is also a candidate for Congress who held a press conference, in front of video cameras and everything.

He was outed against his wishes and was pushed into having the press conference. He didn't hold the press conference because he wanted the information out there, he had to address the gossip.

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paullud

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Politicians have made sexual orientation an issue [one that many of us have little interest in], using 'family values' as code for the patriarchal white heterosexual Christian society they believe is best for everyone, which makes their sexual orientation relevant. Particularly when they publish pics in gay dating mags.


Do you belong to the KKK or any other white supremacists organizations? You are using their exact same reasoning when you take the actions of some and apply it to all. You cannot take the actions of others and claim this guy did it when the story clearly says he has not publicly taken a stance before. He also has the right to be gay but be against gay marriage or feel that kids shouldn't be adopted by gay couples. He has the right to his own belief system instead of just being a sheep.

The right to expose hypocritical officials to the citizens who vote.


There was no hypocrisy to expose.

I sure wish you guys who can read minds and "know" the real intentions of others would explain how you get that knowledge.....
Attack a Republican? That's funny, right there.


Well you can do a little research on your own and find out that it was known before this article was done that "Jose" was in the country legally. You can also find out that they had a bad breakup which should make you question the story. Now if you remove the gossip out of this you have a story that says nothing more than "Everyone look at the gay Republican sheriff!!!" The other glaring obvious fact that this was a political hit piece is the fact that they are hiding who "Jose" is. "Jose" actively sought out the media with his questionable story but they protect him from the public. Why?

If Babeau's wish is to present himself as something he's not, he HAS no integrity.
If the writer is wrong, then all he's gained is a reputation no writer would profit from - and he doesn't sound that stupid to me.

Where do you see the sheriff portraying himself as something he is not? You have to remove the prejudice belief that gays can't be Republican. The writer will always profit from stories like these because they are gossip columns. There is nothing that he wrote that isn't true, he only reported that "Jose" made this allegation so it could turn out to be bogus and the writer is covered.

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witness23

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Like I said, him being gay is just the icing on the cake because he is a Republican and makes the story that much more comical, considering he and Sheriff Arpaio are the resident "tough" guys for FoxNews. Look at it this way, the Republicans are always "worried" about gays in the military and fight it tooth and nail letting them serve. Then it turns out that your poster boy for law enforcement and everything that is right with America turns out to be gay, has been in the military, he's the top dawg on the border issue and he is swapping pornographic pictures of himself on some gay web-site.

Don't you see the irony in all this? It would be like you were against gays in the military and after all the great success' Gen. Patton had on the battlefield and he then comes out of the closet and admits that he is gay. It kinda let's all the air out of your argument about gays in the military.

This is about Sheriff Babeu's camp and their alleged threats of deportation of his gay ex-lover, his abuse of power and authority of a man running for Congress and backing and supporting other Republicans that are anti-immigrant and, to boot, anti-gay. I actually feel sorry for this guy.

Now him being gay is relevant, unfortunately, because of his own doing and the party he is representing(Republican). Why hide the fact that you are gay? This is an issue of integrity, especially in the district that he is looking to represent wich is very conservative and heavy on evangelical Christian values. I could be wrong, but if it was known that he was homosexual, posting on gay dating sites, sharing provocative pictures of himself, it probably wouldn't go over to well with his constituents, but hey, I could be wrong :rolleyes:
 

jaminjim

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Would everyone agree that there is still a stigma attached to people who are homosexuals. If so do you think that it is justified?
 

witness23

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Would everyone agree that there is still a stigma attached to people who are homosexuals.

No.

If so do you think that it is justified?

No.

Do you think there is a stigma attached to those that are homosexual?

Do you think it is justified?

Again, this story is more than the good Sheriff being a homosexual, it is more about irony and hypocrisy in my opinion.
 
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Turtle

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He was outed against his wishes and was pushed into having the press conference. He didn't hold the press conference because he wanted the information out there, he had to address the gossip.
You keep using the word "gossip" as if you know what it means. Gossip, by definition, is the idle talk or rumor, usually about the private affairs of others. And rumor, by definition, is unconfirmed hearsay. Yet this is neither, because the allegations come directly from one of the parties involved, Jose himself.

The allegations are, in order to keep the sheriff's homosexuality hidden, he blackmailed Jose with deportation if Jose made the affair public. These types of scandals have a predictable pattern, even to the point of the wording and what is and is not denied. The press conference was held as damage control. He freely admitted to being gay, which is a tough thing to do for someone who has a publicly political position of anti-gay and anti-gay rights. He did that instead of openly admitting to abuse under authority and blackmail. He adamantly (very adamantly, almost too adamantly) denied everything, except for being gay, which could be true on the fact of it, but based on historical patterns of these scandals, is probably not. More likely, he wants to leave the distinct impression of, "Well, he told the truth about being gay, therefore he must be telling the truth about the stuff that could get him thrown in jail."

He also keep talking about his gayness being his personal, private business (as if that's supposed to be off limits), while at the same time being a candidate for Congress (where one's personal life is not off limits at all). Most likely, when the idea of him becoming a Representative of his District in Congress looked like it was going to be an attainable reality, he cut Jose loose (because an openly gay Republican candidate for Congress in a very religiously conservative district has got no shot at being elected), and Jose was scorned and took revenge. It's also very plausible, based on human nature and the reality of politics, that he warned Jose in some way not to make their affair public.

He also keeps playing the military service card, saying that's what people should look at instead of his his sexual orientation, which is a liberal political stance, not the conservative stance. When asked about gay marriage, he suddenly becomes a Libertarian and quotes Ron Paul as a deflection rather than state his views on the subject. He wants to publicly be a conservative, because that's the district he's running to represent, but everything else about says otherwise. It's irony and hypocrisy squared. He really wants all this to go away toot sweet, so he's playing it all down. Yet, at the same time, he's accusing Jose of actual crimes, including the theft of Badeu's identity. His "service record" demands that he file formal charges against Jose and arrest him. So why hasn't he done that? Because if he does that, it won't go away quietly, and more truth will come out. He states flatly that he will not ask for, nor does he want, an outside investigation of the allegations against him or against Jose. He can't control an outside investigation.

For his Congressional campaign, he has to face a Republican primary electorate in a very conservative district, where the gay issue all by itself is a big deal with that constituency. Then, you have the issue of judgment, and what comes to mind immediately is the underwear photos, same as Congressman Weiner, who got laughed at because of it, and once you start laughing at someone, it's game over.

Not only that, but the issue of morality may be a bigger one for voters in his district than in other districts. The very people who tend to make judgments about personal lives and what they regard as personal morality tend to be those who vote in Republican primaries and that's precisely the electorate that he's facing.


Do you think there is a stigma attached to those that are homosexual?
Of course there is.

Do you think it is justified?
Absolutely. Unless or until homosexuality becomes the norm, it will always be justified. That's not to say that homosexuals cannot be accepted, but the stigma will always be there, and it'll always be justified. Homosexuality is not merely abnormal, it's anormal. There's no getting around that.

Again, this story is more than the good Sheriff being a homosexual, it is more about irony and hypocrisy in my opinion.
I agree. As you say, it's icing on the cake to make even sweeter and even more rich.
 

paullud

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You keep using the word "gossip" as if you know what it means. Gossip, by definition, is the idle talk or rumor, usually about the private affairs of others. And rumor, by definition, is unconfirmed hearsay. Yet this is neither, because the allegations come directly from one of the parties involved, Jose himself. .

Well would you like to contact Merriam-Webster and tell them that I am wrong and so are they. Definition of GOSSIP 1 adialect British: godparent b: companion, crony c: a person who habitually reveals personal or sensational facts about others
2 a: rumor or report of an intimate nature b: a chatty talk c: the subject matter of gossip

It doesn't just apply to rumors, it has a much broader definition than what you imply even though your own definition says idle talk OR rumor. When people get involved in spreading the details of others personal lives, rumor or report it is gossip.

The allegations are, in order to keep the sheriff's homosexuality hidden, he blackmailed Jose with deportation if Jose made the affair public. These types of scandals have a predictable pattern, even to the point of the wording and what is and is not denied. The press conference was held as damage control. He freely admitted to being gay, which is a tough thing to do for someone who has a publicly political position of anti-gay and anti-gay rights. He did that instead of openly admitting to abuse under authority and blackmail. He adamantly (very adamantly, almost too adamantly) denied everything, except for being gay, which could be true on the fact of it, but based on historical patterns of these scandals, is probably not. More likely, he wants to leave the distinct impression of, "Well, he told the truth about being gay, therefore he must be telling the truth about the stuff that could get him thrown in jail."

Where have you found this information of him being anti-gay and anti-gay rights? The most important thing you seem to be ignoring is that these are allegations by someone with a score to settle.


He also keep talking about his gayness being his personal, private business (as if that's supposed to be off limits), while at the same time being a candidate for Congress (where one's personal life is not off limits at all). Most likely, when the idea of him becoming a Representative of his District in Congress looked like it was going to be an attainable reality, he cut Jose loose (because an openly gay Republican candidate for Congress in a very religiously conservative district has got no shot at being elected), and Jose was scorned and took revenge. It's also very plausible, based on human nature and the reality of politics, that he warned Jose in some way not to make their affair public.

They broke up because "Jose" thought the sheriff was cheating on him which would give "Jose" a very good motive to try and hurt the sheriff and fabricate this story. His personal life is private and unless he decided to come out on his own instead of being pushed into it by the media it should have remained private. The only people clearly abusing their power here is the media.


He also keeps playing the military service card, saying that's what people should look at instead of his his sexual orientation, which is a liberal political stance, not the conservative stance. When asked about gay marriage, he suddenly becomes a Libertarian and quotes Ron Paul as a deflection rather than state his views on the subject. He wants to publicly be a conservative, because that's the district he's running to represent, but everything else about says otherwise. It's irony and hypocrisy squared. He really wants all this to go away toot sweet, so he's playing it all down. Yet, at the same time, he's accusing Jose of actual crimes, including the theft of Badeu's identity. His "service record" demands that he file formal charges against Jose and arrest him. So why hasn't he done that? Because if he does that, it won't go away quietly, and more truth will come out. He states flatly that he will not ask for, nor does he want, an outside investigation of the allegations against him or against Jose. He can't control an outside investigation.

As with any political party there will be times when the lines get blurred, it is not 100% all the time and many people of different political beliefs run under a party name although another suits them better. (i.e. Ron Paul) He cannot control an outside inestigation but the bigger picture is if the investigation continues he cannot control the gossip queens from running their mouths and trying to ruin him.


For his Congressional campaign, he has to face a Republican primary electorate in a very conservative district, where the gay issue all by itself is a big deal with that constituency. Then, you have the issue of judgment, and what comes to mind immediately is the underwear photos, same as Congressman Weiner, who got laughed at because of it, and once you start laughing at someone, it's game over.

Not only that, but the issue of morality may be a bigger one for voters in his district than in other districts. The very people who tend to make judgments about personal lives and what they regard as personal morality tend to be those who vote in Republican primaries and that's precisely the electorate that he's facing.

This is exactly why the media jumped on the story, they like to show off their power and knock down those that they don't agree with. If there was some sort of an investigation that determined some sort of wrong doing or he was placed under arrest then it would be a different story, until that time this should've been left alone. Weiner made the mistake of sending a photo out to people he didn't want to so that was his mistake that he paid the consequence for, he did it by his own hand. There wasn't an allegation that forced the details of his private life to become public.
 

Turtle

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Well would you like to contact Merriam-Webster and tell them that I am wrong and so are they. Definition of GOSSIP 1 adialect British: godparent b: companion, crony c: a person who habitually reveals personal or sensational facts about others
2 a: rumor or report of an intimate nature b: a chatty talk c: the subject matter of gossip
Sorry, my bad. I had no idea you were using the Merriam-Webster pre-12th century "sib" origin of the definition to mean godparent, companion or crony. Be that as it may, when the Sheriff addresses things things directly in a press conference and subsequent interviews, it's not gossip no matter what definition you choose to apply.

It doesn't just apply to rumors, it has a much broader definition than what you imply even though your own definition says idle talk OR rumor. When people get involved in spreading the details of others personal lives, rumor or report it is gossip.
So all news is gossip by your reckoning. Got it.

Where have you found this information of him being anti-gay and anti-gay rights?
He has publicly supported and endorsed politicians who take the political position of being anti-gay and anti-gay rights. You can't support or endorse a candidate without also taking on their political views. It's kinda how it works. He's also campaigned on being a true conservative with true conservative values.

The most important thing you seem to be ignoring is that these are allegations by someone with a score to settle.
Far from ignoring it, I even mentioned it in the text above which you quoted. Revenge by Jose is likely the primary, if not the sole motivation here.

They broke up because "Jose" thought the sheriff was cheating on him which would give "Jose" a very good motive to try and hurt the sheriff and fabricate this story.
Yes it would. It also is a very good motive to try and hurt the sheriff by telling the truth about what the sheriff didn't want to reveal publicly. Assumptions about truth or fabrications cannot be made. Only that which the sheriff admits to can be considered as fact, and everything else is just an allegation until the facts come out.

His personal life is private and unless he decided to come out on his own instead of being pushed into it by the media it should have remained private. The only people clearly abusing their power here is the media.
His personal life is private until he becomes a public figure. He wants to have his cake and eat it too. Whether it's right or wrong, whether it should be that way or not, is up for debate, but I do know that once you go public, your private life is sure to follow.

As with any political party there will be times when the lines get blurred, it is not 100% all the time and many people of different political beliefs run under a party name although another suits them better. (i.e. Ron Paul) He cannot control an outside inestigation but the bigger picture is if the investigation continues he cannot control the gossip queens from running their mouths and trying to ruin him.
Yup, the political lines get blurred all the time. But not very often by people who bill themselves as a true conservative with true conservative values. Not much wiggle room there.

This is exactly why the media jumped on the story, they like to show off their power and knock down those that they don't agree with.
They jumped on the story because it was newsworthy. They jumped on the story AFTER he resigned from the Romney campaign and after he called his press conference to publicly address the allegations. They jumped on it because he invited them to jump on it.

If there was some sort of an investigation that determined some sort of wrong doing or he was placed under arrest then it would be a different story, until that time this should've been left alone.
Tell that to the guy who called the press conference to expressly address the allegations.

Weiner made the mistake of sending a photo out to people he didn't want to so that was his mistake that he paid the consequence for, he did it by his own hand. There wasn't an allegation that forced the details of his private life to become public.
And Badeu gave pictures to Jose, by his own hand, which turned out to be kind of a mistake, too. Weiner sent a link of his picture to a specific woman, but sent it via his public Twitter account by mistake. Allegations from other women that he had sent them pictures were denied, until evidence (and the pictures) were made public, forcing the details of his private life to be made public.

This isn't about him being gay. It's about the irony and hypocrisy of him passing himself off as a conservative while being in the closet about his gayness, and it's about the irony of him being tough on immigration, both legal and illegal, while at the same time having a three-year affair with an immigrant.
 

Ragman

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No.



No.

Do you think there is a stigma attached to those that are homosexual?

Do you think it is justified?

Again, this story is more than the good Sheriff being a homosexual, it is more about irony and hypocrisy in my opinion.

Arrggggg! I still can't find the real "like" button!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Pilgrim

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Where are the Log Cabin Republicans on this deal? One would think that with the proper spinning this situation could be salvaged if the sheriff was well-liked in his county. Of course this isn't Boston, but Barney Frank and his boyfriend were caught in 1989 running a homosexual brothel out of Frank's Washington DC apartment but hey - it was no big thing.:rolleyes: The GOP is going to have homosexual candidates at some point, so why not now? if Babeu has been deemed by his constituents to have been a good sheriff and has been consistent in upholding conservative principles in executing the duties of his office he could very well mount a campaign based on those values and disregard his sex life as irrelevant. The most notorious liar / philanderer in American history was caught messing around with a 20 year-old intern in the Oval Office, of all places (and had other instances too numerous to mention) - but according to the MSM that was no big deal either. According to them his job performance was all that mattered. All Paul Babeu needs to do is follow the Slick Willie game plan for redemption.
 

layoutshooter

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Don't forget Gerry Studds, he liked to play with boys. He was reelected several times. Imagine, a grown man playing with 17 year old boys. A man in a position of power. It's all good. It's okee dokee if your PROUD to be a disgusting pig. Like Studds.
 

Bartender54

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Well now.... witness23, hows that go? "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most do"? Just for S**ts and giggles you may want to change your tag line...
Have any of you heard of the "Log Cabin Republicans" ? If not look it up... I saw the interview and he did say that the whole deportation thing was not true in fact the WHOLE thing was a lie... Except the part that he was gay... I don't know, maybe its my old age but the "gay" BS really doesn't bother me a hell of a lot anymore... But thats just me.. Change your tag!!!
 

witness23

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hmmm......I am assuming you thought I was possibly criticizing, condemning or complaining about our good sheriff Babeu? I think you might have missed the point.
 

layoutshooter

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hmmm......I am assuming you thought I was possibly criticizing, condemning or complaining about our good sheriff Babeu? I think you might have missed the point.

I did not think you lived in Arizona. He is not my sheriff, I live in Monroe County, Miching. :D
 

Bartender54

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I just re-read your first post on this.... The first thing is it really isn't funny but again I don't think there has been a FULL investigation.... But again, I'm about as straight as a person can get (excluding that weekend in El Paso) but I'm getting pretty much tolerent to the lighter side. AS LONG AS THEY DON'T COME CLOSE TO MY BUTT...

We need to sit back for a bit and wait for "all" the crap to come out...No pun intended!
And I REALLY don't mean to be critical but thats just another thing with age and putting up with sooo much BS for sooo long. ;0P
 
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