Trucks and farms

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Greg said

" Ark/OVM,

The thing is, and being blunt, there is a big need to care about the corporate farms, they are the ones who actually are controlling the situation within the their industry and it affects the average small farmer more than you would think. The elected officials don't care as much for the little guy in farming as much as they do for the big guys because any way you cut it, the small farmers are still scattered and still don't pose a threat to incumbents in office, which is the same for the average trucker.

I have yet seen any legislation that actually helps small farmers, like property tax relief, inheritance tax relief or even a move to true tax reform - all without a doubt would help the small farmer. There is even still a great amount of problems within the USDA in which programs are not being run right and assistance for farmer still seems to be going to large farms, not to mention the inequity of some programs in the matters of race.

I still stand by my comments that the best thing for everyone is get government out of the way of the market and let the market run itself. We pay either way and I would rather pay the farmer direct than to have only .30 of each dollar of my tax money reach the farmer.

On the other hand the truckers are digging their own grave. Many still believe that the OOIDA is the 'voice' for them and that simply is not true. The OOIDA is good for a lot of things but a political voice without involvement is nothing. I came to the conclusion that the main stream O/O is lazy and does not want to get involved. They are ignorant to the process and the power they hold. It sounds like I am an idiot but look around, look at what is happening and how it is happening and where are the truckers? No where.

The one thing I realized is that many don't view this a profession but a job, nothing more then a job. Even with a capital investment, to many of them when the time comes, they leave to go to other things. This ties into the high turnover rate and the misplaced expectations of what this work is really about. I see the problems and can't help but think what is wrong with people, what is so hard about writing, calling or visiting or worst yet registering to vote and actually voting.

My God when you really think about it, the average trucker regardless if they are an O/O or company man falls far below in political involvement than the average auto worker.

And as for the Indian thing, there is a lot worst that goes on than government backed loans, like having many people of a certain ethic group being put on welfare in this state before they even arrive or allowing a foreign nationals to work in this country then allowing them to take SS benefits back to their country. Both of these things are very wrong and should not be practiced.

Ken said:

Canada has nothing but Marketing boards that control the price of every commodity. They tell the farmer/rancher how much to grow or not grow to control the price and of course take a piece of the pie. And they MUST only deal thru them...theres no open market. And you know who controls these boards? It sure ain't the farmer/rancher.

We are abit off topic...maybe a separate response if we keep up this dialogue.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
And why OVM would Canada do that?

I mean would that be more anti-democratic and anti-business when you control the markets?

What is achieved or must be achieved by this means of control?

I look at the EU and see a mess that we are following and we have to return to some sanity here. They control all aspects of farming and have put people out of business. We used to buy Olives and other fruit from Spain and Italy but we can't buy from them anymore, the EU has put a stop to over quota exports.
 

arkjarhead

Veteran Expediter
Ken I understand what you mean about truckers not being able to attend the meeting the way the farmers can. Remeber I've worked on the farm and drove trucks. Its real easy for me to see both sides, because I've been on both sides.

The farmers do something that isn't possible in the trucking industry. They plan the meetings in the evenings after days work has been done. In trucking you have just as much of a chance to be working during the twilight hours as you do the daylight hours.

Wether people want to admit it or not Willie Nelson, the pot smoker that he is, has helped the family farmer in many ways. Beyond Farm Aid. He can go somewhere and say his name and people know who he is, or at least know of him. They may not like his music or lifestyle, but they know his name. That's something else trucker's could use. Someone with clout to back you up, and put their name out there. For things to change you have to grab the bull by the horns so to speak. Around here most of the truckers haul mainly what comes of the local farms, and there isn't really any friction between the to. Most of the local O/O around here used to farm and gave up on it. Now they say they are doing better. Who Knows.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Marketing boards set the price and set the quotas that support that price. Why the farmers/ranchers have gone this way. I haven't a clue. I'd have to read the history of Can. farmers/ranchers to understand this....I am talking everything controlled by boards...Butter, milk, eggs, pork, chicken. corn, wheat and on and on.
 

x06col

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Retired Expediter
US Army
Well, I suggest there IS a large difference. Farmers/Truckers. A farmer really has one shot at getting it right. Unless..... they inherited a number of acres, and can not stay interested or huma, huma along for a fairly extended period.

Truckers on the other hand, won't have nearly as large an investment, and have the opportunity to move around a bit until they get it right.

Either, with JUST the employee attitude, will eventually fail.

This power in numbers looking for a easy way out, is simply BS.

Example: Whom is Bill Gates aligned with?

In any endeavor it takes paying attention and effort.
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
I was thinking close to the same thing. Farmers can't be wishy washy. Either they plant, or they don't. Not much room to change their minds. A strike would definitely send a message to the country; but at the same time, starve the farmer and his family. At least they have the smarts to have some influential lobbyists, unlike truckers.
 

iceroadtrucker

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Look I Grew up on a Farm I know what happend, When it all took place.

in the Mid 80s Cooperate America took over.

In the 70s the Truckers Tried to strike but Nothing realy happend that was good.

Here is your Truth
The Truth of the Matter is Cooperate America Took over.

If you say Im full of it, Then What Happened to the Small Time
Farmer, That once was the Back bone of this Country. Well due to
Politicians Like Regan and to be all fair the Democrates and Republicans (Politicians) Alike what was once "For the People by the People" Is now "For big Business By Big Business and as the Story Goes
The Rich Keep getting Richer and the Poor Keep getting Poorer. As it is in the Trucking Industry Fuel today I Paid 4.00 a gallon. Needless to say I pumped 25 Gallons to get me outa here.

To the ones that Drive for the big Fleet Owners Everyone Know's
that The Companies cater to them. As they (Fleet Owners) are to the Big Companies as the Lobbiest are to the Politicians.

I Look forward to the day when the Common folk In this country have had enough of the Lies, False Promises and High over Taxed Comodites and wages and make a stand. It's going to Happen!! But when that not certain. Most likely one man will start the thing and from there the ball will roll and like a snow ball get bigger AVELANCH.



No chains allowed

I got Stripes.
 
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arkjarhead

Veteran Expediter
You would think people would be fed up by now. I've been reading a book about organic agriculture. It's pretty good actually. The author goes through all the ins and outs off growing products and marketing and selling them close to home. Anyway. The chapter I am on now deals with communication. He said something that really made me think. He said a lot of gripers would be put in their place if someone asked them how would they do things differently. I started thinking on that. What would I do differently to make things better in this country? Of course it's hard for just one man or woman to make a difference. What would I do? What can I do? I'm not for sure yet. I'm one step closer to finding the answer though because I'm actually looking.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
You would think people would be fed up by now. I've been reading a book about organic agriculture. It's pretty good actually. The author goes through all the ins and outs off growing products and marketing and selling them close to home. Anyway. The chapter I am on now deals with communication. He said something that really made me think. He said a lot of gripers would be put in their place if someone asked them how would they do things differently. I started thinking on that. What would I do differently to make things better in this country? Of course it's hard for just one man or woman to make a difference. What would I do? What can I do? I'm not for sure yet. I'm one step closer to finding the answer though because I'm actually looking.

Well in a way I agree with the premise people would shut up if asked. What I see is that no one seems to understand that it starts with one person and grows.

For example, and I know this would sound like a bad example but it is not but for example the environmental movement got a foundation in the 60's with books from 'experts' Rachel Carson and Paul Ehrlich who had a following that was small but focused at a time when almost all of the people didn't care (by the way both Carson and Ehrlich prophesies didn't come true). It took a long time for them to get people to listen, to get people to think and to get people to act but look now, we have more 'experts' telling us life on earth will end soon unless we go back to the stone age (ALGORE) and many of the populous believe them. It is not that they gave up when they met resistance but they found ways to get people to listen.

What I am saying is that we as a people lost our passion for our country. It don't matter who you are, we did lose the passion. I look at this industry as an indicator to the publics bigger presence and I have yet seen the influence that is needed to sustain this industry from the people in the industry but keep hearing how hard it is to do something.

I look at it this way, I am not an expert at politics but I like to give opinions and get reactions and most of all I love to make people think. If I can get one person to register to vote or vote or write their representative, I already made a difference. If you question what a person can do, get engaged in talking to people, get them to think - whether it is democrat or republican or libertarians or like me a classical liberal, by engaging someone in an intelligent and adult conversation and sharing views so to give common ground, you are almost there. Once common ground is there, then you can get them motivated to do something. Make sense?

I keep reading all this stuff about big business, about politicians who don't care, about this or that. We have had to deal with big businesses going on a hundred and forty years and nothing has ever changed. At one time we had laws to prevent what we have today but the government lets it all go because we, the people don't care what happens as long as we have Brittney, Lindsay and all the other tards to entertain us. I was told by a senator from South Carolina a long time ago that the 'people miss the biggest thing that they have going for them, they have the power over us'. It is not that 'there is some magic dust that businesses can throw on us to get us to make decisions in their favor, we just make them because the people don't speak up'. It is like this, there is only one way someone can get elected, it is by the vote and the last time I checked, companies don't vote.
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
My uncle had the best of both worlds. He was a truck farmer who lived near Emeryville, CA. Every year he raised a crop of trucks. He employed people of Asian, African, European and Hispanic descent. When autumn came he was truly an International Harvester.
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
My uncle had the best of both worlds. He was a truck farmer who lived near Emeryville, CA. Every year he raised a crop of trucks. He employed people of Asian, African, European and Hispanic descent. When autumn came he was truly an International Harvester.

BRAVO!!! :D
 

arkjarhead

Veteran Expediter
My grandpaw's first truck was a 63(I think) Emeryville he bought in 67. I know whenever he bought it it was 4 years old. He said it was a piece of stuff. He said he'd run it on Monday and Tuesday, work on it on Wednesday, run it on Thursday and Friday, work on it on Saturday, and then rest of Sunday to do it all over again the next week.
 
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