Top 10 facts to know about health care reform

greg334

Veteran Expediter
It would be great if 9 and 10 are true but they are not. The senate version will be signed into law, with no real restraints on these two issues.

Let's not forget that the house is approving the senate bill, and then sending a FIX to the senate for their vote but what happens if that doesn't happen?
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
The link does not work, too bad. It does not matter what they say this bill does or does not have. We have a Constitution that does NOT allow the Federal Government to do this. Oh yeah, who gives a flip about that, Obama does not, Queen Nancy does not nor the UAW. I cannot wait to see all the law suits, should keep the lawyers busy. Any bets how long it takes this to reach the Supreme Court?
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Let's not forget that many who want to see health care reform are already covered - unions and seniors.

AND

Let's put into perspective the fact that Unions, UAW, Teamsters and others are in fact businesses, run like business without the restraints or the restrictions that other businesses have to deal with. Their profit is not reported to stockholders but a more sinister group of people who go unchecked - the leadership of the unions.
 

aristotle

Veteran Expediter
The government takeover of healthcare is nothing more than a move by liberals to ensure Democratic primacy forever. If the Dems control healthcare, they pretty much control our lives. If there is no immediate and successful pushback, it's game over. Libs win. We should drop the pretense of not being a socialist country. This is irreversible change... at least through constitutional means.
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Pretty much a list of negatives that are already known. Nothing there to suggest it's a good idea.
 

Pilgrim

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
If you copy and paste the link in your url field, it works fine.

Here are some other points about the bill that I got in an e-mail today, supposedly written by a doctor in IN:

Page 22 of the HC Bill: Mandates that the Govt will audit books of all employers that self-insure!!

Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill: THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.

Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!!

Page 42 of HC Bill: The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC benefits for you. You have no choice!

Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL non-US citizens, illegal or otherwise.

Page 58 HC Bill: Govt will have real-time access to individuals' finances & a 'National ID Health card' will be issued! (Papers please!)

Page 59 HC Bill lines 21-24: Govt will have direct access to your bank accounts for elective funds transfer. (Time for more cash and carry)

Page 65 Sec 164: Is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in unions & community organizations: (ACORN).

Page 84 Sec 203 HC bill: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the 'Exchange.'

Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans -- The Govt will ration your health care!

Page 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill: Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services. (Translation: illegal aliens.)

Page 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18: The Govt will use groups (i.e. ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan.

Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans. (AARP members - your health care WILL be rationed!)
Page 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill: Medicaid eligible individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. (No choice.)

Page 12 4 lines 24-25 HC: No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt monopoly.

Page 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill: Doctors/ American Medical Association - The Govt will tell YOU what salary you can make.

Page 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto-enroll employees into public option plan. (NO choice!)

Page 126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for HC for part-time employees ANDtheir families. (Employees shouldn't get excited about this as employers will be forced to reduce its work force, benefits, and wages/salaries to cover such a huge expense.)

Page 149 Lines 16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not provide public option will pay 8% tax on all payroll! (See the last comment in parenthesis.)
Page 150 Lines 9-13: A business with payroll between $251K & $401K who doesn't provide public option will pay 2-6% tax on all payroll.

Page 167 Lines 18-23: ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.

Page 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay.) (Like always)

Page 195 HC Bill:Officers & employees of the GOVT HC Admin.. will have access to ALL Americans' finances and personal records. (I guess so they can 'deduct' their fees)

Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." (Yes, it really says that!) ( a 'fee' instead)
Page 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill: Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid Seniors. (Low-income and the poor are affected.)

Page 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill: Doctors: It doesn't matter what specialty you have trained yourself in -- you will all be paid the same! (Just TRY to tell me that's not Socialism!)

Page 253 Line 10-18: The Govt sets the value of a doctor's time, profession, judgment, etc. (Literally-- the value of humans.)

Page 265 Sec 1131: The Govt mandates and controls productivity for "private" HC industries.

Page 268 Sec 1141: The federal Govt regulates the rental and purchase of power driven wheelchairs.

Page 272 SEC. 1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!

Page 280 Sec 1151: The Govt will penalize hospitals for whatever the Govt deems preventable (i.e...re-admissions).

Page 298 Lines 9-11: Doctors: If you treat a patient during initial admission that results in a re-admission -- the Govtwill penalize you.

Page 317 L 13-20: PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. (The Govt tells doctors what and how much they can own!)

Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion. (The Govt is mandating that hospitals cannot expand.)
Page 321 2-13: Hospitals have the opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input is required. (Can you say ACORN?)

Page 335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339: The Govt mandates establishment of=2 outcome-based measures. (HC the way they want -- rationing.)
Page 341 Lines 3-9: The Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advance Plans, HMOs, etc. (Forcing people into the Govt plan)

Page 354 Sec 1177: The Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of 'special needs people!' Unbelievable!

Page 379 Sec 1191: The Govt creates more bureaucracy via a "Tele-Health Advisory Committee." (Can you say HC by phone?)

Page 425 Lines 4-12: The Govt mandates "Advance-Care Planning Consult." (Think senior citizens end-of-life patients.)

Page 425 Lines 17-19: The Govt will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. (And it's mandatory!)
Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: The Govt provides an "approved" list of end-of-life resources; guiding you in death. (Also called 'assisted suicide.')(Sounds like Soylent Green to me.)

Page 427 Lines 15-24: The Govt mandates a program for orders on "end-of-life." (The Govt has a say in how your life ends!)

Page 429 Lines 1-9: An "advanced-care planning consultant" will be used frequently as a patient's health deteriorates.

Page 429 Lines 10-12: An "advanced care consultation" may include an ORDER for end-of-life plans.. (AN ORDER TO DIE FROM THE GOVERNMENT?!?)

Page 429 Lines 13-25: The GOVT will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order.. (I wouldn't want to stand before God after getting paid for THAT job!)

Page 430 Lines 11-15: The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end-of-life! (Again -- no choice!)

Page 469: Community-Based Home Medical Services = Non-Profit Organizations. (Hello? ACORN Medical Services here!?!)

Page 489 Sec 1308: The Govt will cover marriage and family therapy. (Which means Govt will insert itself into your marriage even.)

Page 494-498: Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, and rationing those services.

And no, I haven't looked up each one of these in the bill or checked this thing with Snopes.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
My take on it is, if this doctor has this much time to go through the bill, line by line, and analyze all the ramifications, then he's not a very good doctor, certainly not one worth listening to.
 

witness23

Veteran Expediter
The link does not work, too bad. It does not matter what they say this bill does or does not have. We have a Constitution that does NOT allow the Federal Government to do this. Oh yeah, who gives a flip about that, Obama does not, Queen Nancy does not nor the UAW. I cannot wait to see all the law suits, should keep the lawyers busy. Any bets how long it takes this to reach the Supreme Court?

Fixed...try it now. Though something tells me you won't.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Fixed...try it now. Though something tells me you won't.


Thanks for fixing it, kinda incomplete and does not go far enough. Of course this is a total take over. Once there is a mandate with force, freedom is gone. Period.

Why are you so negative? Why would you even say that about me? I read far more than you think. I just don't trust the government, I have firm beliefs and am not afraid to express them. Just because you might not agree with them is no reason to for you to assume my abilities in the negative. You don't know me, have never met me nor spoken to me.

In a way, I am very surprised that you seem, at least on the surface, to back this thing. The mandates alone are in contradiction to the 10th Amendment, part of the Bill of Rights. Assume for a minute that this stands and the Bill of Rights is circumvented. That is the very same Bill of Rights that insures that you can worship as you see fit. Once any part of the Bill of Rights is gone, the entire Bill is useless as your rights to worship will soon come under attack. It is, in my opinion, the first step to total control of the People. That too is contrary to our Constitution. The People are to hold the power in this country, not the Federal Government.

Give up any Rights and we lose them all.

I doubt that you can show me any part of the Constitution that gives the feds the authority to force a citizen to buy health insurance or interfere with the relationship between my DR and myself.

Do you believe that they have the authority? Do they have the Right to do that?
 
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