Too many vans!

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usafk9

Veteran Expediter


For the ones who gave me good advice, thanks, I didn't mean to be an ***! The rest of you don't know me and can but a stump! You are probably crack heads with nothing better to do then dog someone who is just warning others! I see your know it all post everywhere on here. There is a couple of you no lifers everywhere and I plan to pass your *** this year. Thanks to the good ones and Happy New Year.

Every single response to this thread (even Brisco's.....to an extent) contains criticism, and most of it constructive. Also, most from folks with several years behind the wheel....and some behind the wheel of vans.

I don't drive a van, and occasionally butt heads with DaveKC, but his industry advice is sage, despite not being in the van segment. His biggest piece of advice is about being well-capitalized. My bride and I have heeded that advice. In the last 14 months, we have been down twice for one-month periods due to animal strikes, and we are spending the holidays now waiting for our new engine to arrive and be installed, the pricetag for which is close to the purchase price of your vehicle. We've done all of the above with all cash, and largely because of Dave's (a competitor, BTW) advice.....advice that we found here.

One of the other responders to your post took advice after the fact, and also came here with a somewhat similar approach to yours. From what I've read, he appears to be 'weathering the storm' now, but by my guess, could have shortened the learning curve by listening to folks here in the first place. Highway Star asked if you had read these here forums prior to your purchase. I'm guessing you took his advice as condescending, but I really believe it wasn't.

You state here that you want to warn others, but those warnings were present here for as long as I've been in the business. Xiggi, I believe, tried as eloquently as possible, pointing that out to you. Just because you don't like the criticism, doesn't mean it isn't worthwhile.

Might be best to think about the whole 'catching flies with honey' thing before your next response, post, question, or whatever.

I wish you success in the new year.
 

BigCat

Expert Expediter


For the ones who gave me good advice, thanks, I didn't mean to be an ***! The rest of you don't know me and can but a stump! You are probably crack heads with nothing better to do then dog someone who is just warning others! I see your know it all post everywhere on here. There is a couple of you no lifers everywhere and I plan to pass your *** this year. Thanks to the good ones and Happy New Year.

Ooh pass me pass me. I'm on the road to $70k this year and I have NO NONE NOTTA ZILCH for a vehicle payment. But I don't drive a van either. Lol

But we are know it alls so whatever. Why do you want to associate with us "know it alls"?

What could you possibly warn others? Maybe not to follow your foot steps and buy a $26k van with nothing to fall back on at the worst possible time of the year? Warn away but I think most people who actually do research know that by now as much as it has been discussed.
 

AMonger

Veteran Expediter
For the ones who gave me good advice, thanks, I didn't mean to be an ***! The rest of you don't know me and can but a stump! You are probably crack heads with nothing better to do then dog someone who is just warning others! I see your know it all post everywhere on here. There is a couple of you no lifers everywhere and I plan to pass your *** this year. Thanks to the good ones and Happy New Year.
This guy's cracking me up.
 

mjmsprt40

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I can't be certain, of course, but--- I'd swear we've seen the OP before. The "MO" sure looks familiar, anyway. Different name, but the same MO.
 

skyraider

Veteran Expediter
US Navy
No I have moved from E1 now due to starvation. Ok lets go over some stuff real quick that I have learned from you wise van drivers and some who have no idea. First I should have had the money to pay for my 26'000 with added warranty van up front. Second I should have not believed anything I was told because they are in it for themselves. Third, I am doing it wrong and should be in a better spot while sitting, like the one factory parking lot that may or may not be sending a shipment out and not the truck stop. Forth, It doesn't matter what number you are in line if you can tell the future then you will get the load. So basically its all my fault and I should have read all of this forum more then once and all the info about E1 was just the brown nose people. I guess in that case, yes its my fault and I am just imagining all those vans just sitting and waiting for the same loads. Go figure. Back to the fact that there are too many vans!

IMHO,,,There is a guy in here named Turtle, you should PM him on Sprinters and some good ideas on expediting. Looking back before you got your Sprinter, he could have given u good advice and saved you some money, lots of money.....
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
You also can't go wrong listening to EBsprintin. He's a really quiet kind of guy but he's an EF Hutton for certain. (For those too young or with short memories as soon as EF Hutton speaks a huge room full of boisterous people all go silent the moment he begins talking, ads from the 70's or 80's) Eric is a sharp guy and as nice a guy as you could hope to meet and he knows more about Sprinters and expediting than a lot would ever know. He's made a lot of good contributions here plus his blog. When EB speaks smart people listen.
 

xiggi

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Something I should have added for the open.

Do not idle your sprinter to stay warm or cool. It will be the kiss of death to your wallet. If you take no other advice please in no way shape or form ignore this bit of it!

Sent from my Fisher Price - ABC 123
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
My first post here....And the OP ain't going to like it either....

Claims he did research...

1. Missed the part where newbees are highly discouraged from buying a sprinter as a FIRST van...
2. Had no financial backup......Comes in heavily in debt.
3. Believed a recruiter...
4. Signed on with a carrier that is known to recently lost 2 major customers and yet is still heavily recruiting.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
Now that you figured out the many mistakes you made, now what?
Will switching to another solve your problems? Maybe, maybe not. Carrying alot of debt and being in a high maintenance vehicle is a recipe for disaster based on your volunteered information.
Regardless of the carrier, you are one breakdown away from a disaster. Especially if you already dropped $1000 dollars on the credit card for fuel and you are driving a used vehicle.
Probably won't like my answer but I would look to unload that thing and purchase a vehicle that makes sense or drive for someone else to build your reserves up.
You might take a little hit but it is the same advice I would give to a person that is driving and paying monthly for a Mercedes and working for minimum wage.
No need to complicate the simple.
"Cash is king" and you have very little. The good news is, you have time to react. What I wouldn't do is procrastinate and then blame the next carrier because they ran you in the financial ditch.
One of those, "you have been warned".
 

stupiddog0-3

Active Expediter
My first post here....And the OP ain't going to like it either....

Claims he did research...

1. Missed the part where newbees are highly discouraged from buying a sprinter as a FIRST van...
2. Had no financial backup......Comes in heavily in debt.
3. Believed a recruiter...
4. Signed on with a carrier that is known to recently lost 2 major customers and yet is still heavily recruiting.

Ok first thanks to the people who gave the good advice to me and I really thank you for trying to help. I do have back up. As far as buying the sprinter yes it was a bad idea and would not do it again because they are too high to maintain but that is what the recruiter told me were getting the work and it had to be less then 5 years old. I did it and its done. I don't idle it for heat but thanks for the advice. I did read on here about Sprinters and there seemed to be as many good as bad. I wish it was a Ford! I was in pretty good shape for the first month due to the two other business I own but they are slow to the economy also. I didnt mean to be a butt but I felt as though I was being attacked and went into defense mode. Yes I did it the wrong way but I was only warning others not to do the same. I have been talking to good friends that have driven vans for a long time and this company has done them the same so its not just me. I know of at least 5 others that quit around the same time. Its not just me. Again yes I did it wrong. Don't do it my way. Thanks
 

paullud

Veteran Expediter
My first post here....And the OP ain't going to like it either....

Claims he did research...

1. Missed the part where newbees are highly discouraged from buying a sprinter as a FIRST van...
2. Had no financial backup......Comes in heavily in debt.
3. Believed a recruiter...
4. Signed on with a carrier that is known to recently lost 2 major customers and yet is still heavily recruiting.

Exactly, not to mention following all the advice doesn't guarantee a thing, it just decreases your chance of failing in an industry with a high failure rate. I followed a lot of the advice but still made plenty of mistakes that helped contribute to my failure as a CV owner. The other things to consider are personality and how the company operates, my tolerance for BS gets quite low when my livelihood is at stake. This guy has way more on the line financially than I did so he really better determine if the numbers have a chance of working. I looked things over when I saw what was happening where I was and found I might do better somewhere else but not good enough for what I want.

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OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Ok first thanks to the people who gave the good advice to me and I really thank you for trying to help. I do have back up. As far as buying the sprinter yes it was a bad idea and would not do it again because they are too high to maintain but that is what the recruiter told me were getting the work and it had to be less then 5 years old. I did it and its done. I don't idle it for heat but thanks for the advice. I did read on here about Sprinters and there seemed to be as many good as bad. I wish it was a Ford! I was in pretty good shape for the first month due to the two other business I own but they are slow to the economy also. I didnt mean to be a butt but I felt as though I was being attacked and went into defense mode. Yes I did it the wrong way but I was only warning others not to do the same. I have been talking to good friends that have driven vans for a long time and this company has done them the same so its not just me. I know of at least 5 others that quit around the same time. Its not just me. Again yes I did it wrong. Don't do it my way. Thanks

Ok Lets move on, the errors were made, time to rebuild, not going to beat you to death......LOL.....your next plan of action is???.....
 

xiggi

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Ok first thanks to the people who gave the good advice to me and I really thank you for trying to help. I do have back up. As far as buying the sprinter yes it was a bad idea and would not do it again because they are too high to maintain but that is what the recruiter told me were getting the work and it had to be less then 5 years old. I did it and its done. I don't idle it for heat but thanks for the advice. I did read on here about Sprinters and there seemed to be as many good as bad. I wish it was a Ford! I was in pretty good shape for the first month due to the two other business I own but they are slow to the economy also. I didnt mean to be a butt but I felt as though I was being attacked and went into defense mode. Yes I did it the wrong way but I was only warning others not to do the same. I have been talking to good friends that have driven vans for a long time and this company has done them the same so its not just me. I know of at least 5 others that quit around the same time. Its not just me. Again yes I did it wrong. Don't do it my way. Thanks

Good post nice to see someone man up. We can be harsh at times but keep in mind we really do like to see people succeed. If we didn't care we would just ignore.

Sent from my Fisher Price - ABC 123
 

highway star

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Glad to see you understand where we're coming from. As I said early in the thread, you can still make it work. You just really need to be aware of what you're up against and handle things accordingly. And, search the threads about Sprinter care and follow the advice!!

O.K.... Who can we beat and kick next?
 

stupiddog0-3

Active Expediter
My Sprinter has 50,000 miles left on the major component warranty so I figure 5 months. I am hopeful that I have some in the bank to cover any problems that may happen after that. I know Jan and Feb are slow so if that doesn't kill me I may be ok after that. Other then that I just hope to drive the wheels of that thing. That's really my only option at this point other then selling my body and I am not pretty enough for truck drivers! You van drivers may think so though! Just kidding don't get any ideas. There is still too many vans out there and no mater what I did wrong, if there were less there would be more loads and more miles. I am in it now and will do it till I cant anymore but stuck is what I am. Don't walk behind me unless you like crap on your feet.
 

Dynamite 1

Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
next thing to learn is, its not about miles its about money.

run less make more !!!!!!!!!!
 

Rocketman

Veteran Expediter
Your posts are definitely improved. We can see the desperation in your posts, but when your biting the hands that are trying to help...well, you know. It's all forgiven and understood. As for too many vans....you are 100% correct, but everyone has agreed with you on that from the start.

Only advice I can give is what you already know. Be frugal, don't spend a penny on personal items that you don't have to. Search these forums and find cheap, safe ways to keep food in the van so that you can buy food at grocery stores, not from the truckstops. Anything you see yourself spending money on, ask yourself (and ask here on EO) if there is a cheaper way to do it.

Only one exception....the van. You have to maintain it and you have to understand that if it fails, you'll have no income while it's down. There are ways to save money on Sprinter maintenance, just make sure that what you do cuts prices, not quality of maintenance.

Hopefully your new carrier will keep you busy...at profitable rates. If so, a year from now, you should be in good shape if you can survive.

Good luck to ya!
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
08 Parts are "online" at good rates.....like tensioners and idler pulleys....a lot cheaper then dealer....start looking at these sites for your preventative maintenace items ahead of time...
 
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