To Accept Or Not To Accept???

[OntarioVanMan]

Well THAT is really wild then, becuz I could see YOUR small font, but not Linda's..

My what small fonts you have...*LOL*

 

[greg334]

See Express One would skip over the team and not ask them, they'd go right to the solo and save the team for a longer one and not waste a team in a good area for a shorty...I know some would say this is bad and some will say it's good....

Well..... see between Express one undercutting the competition and then not offering loads to all the trucks, it seems ..... well never mind.....I can't comment in the other thread because they locked it.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Well..... see between Express one undercutting the competition and then not offering loads to all the trucks, it seems ..... well never mind.....I can't comment in the other thread because they locked it.

I ams orry Greg..I can't see a problem with a carrier taking less profit off thier end as long as drivers are getting thier contract rate?? And that rate is industry average. Now if a carrier paid on a percentage of the load basis THEN there is a problem.

 

[nightcreacher]

This is my answer to why to accept or turn down your loads,and is the way i do it.you will still get a turn down,but at least you wont feel bad when they tell you your the only truck.Lets say the load goes 500 miles.and will deliver 100 miles from the closest express center.and from your experiance,you know you will get your next load 50 miles from that center.Ok here we go,load pays x amount of dollars,then I take my 40%,I dont do 45%.Now that 40% has to buy enough fuel to deliver the load,go to layover amd to my next load,and give my co-drive and advance so he can eat.if that load will do that,then i will accept it,it may not pay per mile what I would like,but on an average,I'll make what i need,every month.Ive used this method for 25 years of being an owner opperator,try it you might like it.

 

[greg334]

I ams orry Greg..I can't see a problem with a carrier taking less profit off thier end as long as drivers are getting thier contract rate?? And that rate is industry average. Now if a carrier paid on a percentage of the load basis THEN there is a problem.

Another way to look at it is this;
They have a fixed fleet, they can move on a regular week 60% of trucks in the fleet for any given day. But now they get aggressive and say, lets underbid everyone to get as much of the fleet moving with a target of say 70%, the h*ll with profits. They start bidding at a lower rate, say at $1.30/mile for every load regardless, which bites (not eats) into the profit but they are now moving 10% more of their trucks, the CPM profit goes down but the total profit can go up. Did I explain it clear enough?

When they are doing this, they are actually driving the prices down. If panther and FedEx follow, then there will be new benchmarks set for loads, sort of in a way.....

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Another way to look at it is this;
They have a fixed fleet, they can move on a regular week 60% of trucks in the fleet for any given day. But now they get aggressive and say, lets underbid everyone to get as much of the fleet moving with a target of say 70%, the h*ll with profits. They start bidding at a lower rate, say at $1.30/mile for every load regardless, which bites (not eats) into the profit but they are now moving 10% more of their trucks, the CPM profit goes down but the total profit can go up. Did I explain it clear enough?

When they are doing this, they are actually driving the prices down. If panther and FedEx follow, then there will be new benchmarks set for loads, sort of in a way.....

How can an operators CPM go down? They are still getting the same rate before the bidding??

 

[greg334]

How can an operators CPM go down? They are still getting the same rate before the bidding??

Read it again, does the operator run the fleet? I am talking about the company. Are you getting my headache?

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Read it again, does the operator run the fleet? I am talking about the company. Are you getting my headache?

My english comp isn't what it used to be...too many dead endorphines running around!

I see...it's over all bad for business and as you said it lowers the benchmark pricing for all others...carriers that pay a percentage on a load like FDCC are the real losers...guess that would explain all the low ball load offers lately.. 65% of nothing is still nothing...

 

[greg334]

My english comp isn't what it used to be...too many dead endorphines running around!

I see...it's over all bad for business and as you said it lowers the benchmark pricing for all others...carriers that pay a percentage on a load like FDCC are the real losers...guess that would explain all the low ball load offers lately.. 65% of nothing is still nothing...

Exactly, the point that I see is when companies run hard marginally, it really hurts a lot of things but it is called a free market and we can't let the government get involved.

 

[truckrnnr]

Alot of what i am offered is the ultra low FSC,and then throw in that I would have to run 200 miles to get to the load,and then it is only a 190 mile delivey. When you add it all up,including the dead head miles,it works out to $0.71 CPM. I'll turn that down every time,unless its delivering to my neighbors house on Christmas Eve.
TRUCKRNNR

 

[Humble2drive]

Lets say the load goes 500 miles.and will deliver 100 miles from the closest express center.and from your experiance,you know you will get your next load 50 miles from that center.Ok here we go,load pays x amount of dollars,then I take my 40%,I dont do 45%.Now that 40% has to buy enough fuel to deliver the load,go to layover amd to my next load,and give my co-drive and advance so he can eat.if that load will do that,then i will accept it

Nightcreacher,
Please excuse my confusion over your example. I will have to claim Newbie status on this one. I am unsure of the starting figure.
When you say load pays x .. Does that mean your share after FEXX takes their cut?

If so, would this hypothetical example be correct?

Load value is $1257.00 gross w/ total miles of 650.
You are on 60/40 split w/ FEXX 100% fsc.
$1257.00 x 60% = 754.20 (this is what load pays you)
$754.20 x 40% = $301.68 (this should cover your costs)
Fuel costs: 650/8mpg= 81.25 gal @ 1.25 per gal= $101.56
Food advance: $100.00

In this example, fuel costs plus advance equal $201.56 which is under your 40% goal of $301 so this load would acceptable?

Am I close, or did I totally miss the boat???

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Alot of what i am offered is the ultra low FSC,and then throw in that I would have to run 200 miles to get to the load,and then it is only a 190 mile delivey. When you add it all up,including the dead head miles,it works out to $0.71 CPM. I'll turn that down every time,unless its delivering to my neighbors house on Christmas Eve.
TRUCKRNNR

We have the flat rate FSC so they can't play with that either...and usually always get DH pay....10 - .50/ mile

 

[TeamCaffee]

This is going to go back to my original problem of fonts. I did not change my font but for some reason when I copied and pasted into my spell checker and then came back here everything shrunk. Least I know you guys read what I write! I will be more careful to make sure my font size does not change, would rather give you a headache by what I write not how hard it is to read.

 

[greg334]

This is going to go back to my original problem of fonts. I did not change my font but for some reason when I copied and pasted into my spell checker and then came back here everything shrunk. Least I know you guys read what I write! I will be more careful to make sure my font size does not change, would rather give you a headache by what I write not how hard it is to read.

I had that same problem and I ended up using word for my long ramblings. Check out what font you have in the spell check program, it may be setting it to Times New Roman.

 

[dabluzman1]

Nightcreacher,
Please excuse my confusion over your example. I will have to claim Newbie status on this one. I am unsure of the starting figure.
When you say load pays x .. Does that mean your share after FEXX takes their cut?

If so, would this hypothetical example be correct?

Load value is $1257.00 gross w/ total miles of 650.
You are on 60/40 split w/ FEXX 100% fsc.
$1257.00 x 60% = 754.20 (this is what load pays you)
$754.20 x 40% = $301.68 (this should cover your costs)
Fuel costs: 650/8mpg= 81.25 gal @ 1.25 per gal= $101.56
Food advance: $100.00

In this example, fuel costs plus advance equal $201.56 which is under your 40% goal of $301 so this load would acceptable?

Am I close, or did I totally miss the boat???

The way I see it is you are not showing the actual cost of fuel, but the FSC reduced cost.
Yet you left the FSC in your earnings.
Best to show the actual cost of fuel, be it 4.00 or 5.00 per gallon and take that as your fuel deduction.
In the end the FSC is nothing more than income. So add the run money to the toll money to the FSC and you have your total income. Now use actual fuel costs not FSC adjusted costs
to make a determination if the job is acceptable or not.
I say all this assuming ( i know i know about assuming ) that you dont have a source for diesel at 1.25/gallon.
If you do have a source, PM me, I wanna know.

 

[dcalien]

*LOL* man are we bored or what...sittin around talking about the size of our "Fonts" !!!

It's not the size of the font, it's how you type it.

 

[Moot]

This is going to go back to my original problem of fonts. I did not change my font but for some reason when I copied and pasted into my spell checker and then came back here everything shrunk. Least I know you guys read what I write! I will be more careful to make sure my font size does not change, would rather give you a headache by what I write not how hard it is to read.

Sinister forces are at work here. Some of "them" may be checking out your fonts. When Bob finds out there will be He- double hockey sticks to pay by these evil doers. I'm sure glad my browser hasn't shrunk.

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[Moot]

Hey, how come Dcalien post came before mine? We both posted at 5:24. I'm a senior member and he is only a member.

Oh I get it! He is one of them! Sinister forces indeed. Me and my browser are going out and cooking some chicken breasts. I don't need this harassment.

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[cheri1122]

Pjjj, maybe it's just that you have younger eyes, lol - I can read Linder's font ok, it's just awfully small

 

[Jack_Berry]

Sinister forces are at work here. Some of "them" may be checking out your fonts. When Bob finds out there will be He- double hockey sticks to pay by these evil doers. I'm sure glad my browser hasn't shrunk.

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but do your fonts shrink when they get cold?