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Ragman

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
...my issue is with somebody else telling an intelligent, reasonable woman what she should or shouldn't do.

Do you obey speed limit signs? How about stop signs? One way signs? Etc, etc, etc . . .

All these, plus many many more things are somebody telling you what to do. I dont have a problem with these.

Some times rules need to be put in place for the betterment (is that a word?) of society.:p
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
I've got 2 seat belt and 1 speeding in the last 6 mths no points and I lost my job...Is there anything I can do to clean my record?
Thanks

I am surprised that 21 replies into this thread no one has yet mentioned CSA 2010. CSA 2010 is a game changer that introduces a new points system for commercial vehicle drivers that is different from driver's license points commonly referred to when people talk about traffic violations.

Knowing nothing about your carrier or the relationship you have with it, whitewolf, I cannot say what factors led to you losing your job. I can say that the points that now matter most to commercial drivers are the CSA points. This new point system is turning some carrier's best drivers into their worst because of how the violations are now counted. Warning tickets now count. Recent violations count more than older ones. Equipment violations that put no points on your driver's license have CSA 2010 points attached that now matter.

The CSA system is explained in this document. It is not an easy read but it is important for every CMV driver to know the new rules of the game. I urge all readers to take the time to read and understand the document's contents. The point chart that begins on p. 36 is of special interest.

whitewolf said that he had two seat belt and one speeding violation in the last six months. Using the CSA point system, that gives him two seat belt points (one for each violation) and five points for speeding (assuming something ordinary like five or 10 MPH over), for a total of seven points.

Now, comes the important part. The points are weighted for severity and time. The severity means you get five points for speeding and one point for each seat belt violation, because speeding is deemed more severe than not wearing a seat belt.

Time weighting means the seven point total from these recent violations are multiplied by three to give you 21 points. The time weighting is X3 for the first year of a violation, X2 for the second, X1 for the third and zero beyond the third year.

That means if whitewolf has no more violations, his 21 points will become 14 in year two, seven in year three, and zero after that.

The only way for you to get CSA points off your record is to let time pass and get no new violations. One of the complaints about CSA 2010 now is that the points go on when the violation is reported and there is no easy way to get them off if you later beat the ticket in court.

What carriers do with these CSA points is now being worked out by each one. One carrier may decide that 50 points gets you fired, another may use a greater or lesser number, yet another may not use CSA points at all in deciding whether or not to retain a driver.

A very important point to note is that under CSA 2010, a driver's points count against the carrier too. Carriers interested in keeping their own point numbers down are less willing to hire or retain high-points drivers drivers than they were before.

Again, CSA 2010 is a very important game changer in our industry. Drivers will do well to understand how it works and modify their behavior as necessary to keep one's job.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Well Phil, I thought Whitewolf was driving a van which means he isn't part of the CSA 2010 thing.

juju, Ouch :D
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I suspect we think alike most of the time. My problem with seatbelts/helmets is the exponential added costs for medical care when someone exercises their right to not have the sense to wear them.
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
Hmmm i think i mentioned it in post #4....

and if you are a CDL holder...ohhh CSA 2010 just bit you....it is retro-active and you will have points there...

and Greg if he is driving a CV and has a CDL..it counts from what i have heard...its the CDL that counts not what you drive persay (for moving violations not DOT regulations violations)...just one more benefit of leasing to a carrier that doesn't requirer a CDL for some trucks....

And not to be a PITA (yea well ok)... but i vaguely remember Whitewolf always b8itching and complaining about this industry and tell people too stay away...so whats the big deal, this might be your chance to move on and not have to worry about how bad it is in this industry.....:rolleyes:
 
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usaf6186

Veteran Expediter
Phil wrote;

":I am surprised that 21 replies into this thread no one has yet mentioned CSA 2010."

Phil; Not to be nit picking, check post #4 Jerry Lee
 

pjjjjj

Veteran Expediter
Didn't Post#4 get that added in after ATeam posted his post tho? Just sayin.

Also, re the seatbelts, I'm with LDB too. If people can't have enough sense on their own, governments will make regulations for us. And even if one has the money to provide for their own long-term care afterward, it's not only their own life they are responsible for, but apparently an unseatbelted victim can become a human cannon and put those that ARE wearing seatbelts at risk of getting killed by the unbelted's airborne body.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
and Greg if he is driving a CV and has a CDL..it counts from what i have heard...
You heard wrong. CSA 2010 is part of the FMSCA and DOT, and only apply to CMV's.

its the CDL that counts not what you drive persay (for moving violations not DOT regulations violations)...
CSA 2010 is all about heavy vehicles and buses, not about what type of driver's license you have.

Any moving violation will go onto your CDL, even if you get a ticket while driving your personal Honda Civic. But it's not a CDL violation unless it happens while driving a CMV, except for MTO's (Major Traffic offenses like drugs, alcohol and felonies) and STO's (Serious Traffic Offenses like speeding in a work zone, reckless driving, and any violation resulting in a fatality), which will apply to your CDL and to disqualification rules.

But you have to be careful. A speeding ticket for 15 MPH over the speed limit while driving your personal vehicle is not a big deal, but if you have a CDL, 15 MPH is considered "excessive speeding" for CMV holders while driving a CMV, and if found guilty of doing it a personal vehicle, the charge of 15 MPH over the limit goes right on your CDL driving record, which results in CDL points. Before the conviction takes place, you can plea bargain and have the speeding reduced from, like 75 in a 60, to 65 in a 60, that way no CDL points get assessed.

just one more benefit of leasing to a carrier that doesn't requirer a CDL for some trucks....
There a lot of benefits of leasing to a carrier that doesn't require a CDL, but they're mostly minor. The one big one, though, is that with a CDL, you cannot remove, mask or get a deferred judgment for a traffic ticket. For example, with a regular driver's license, you can go to traffic school to have a speeding ticket removed (masked, technically, since it's still really there) in order to prevent you from being found guilty of the offense. But that cannot happen if you have a CDL (49 CFR 384.226), even if you're driving your personal vehicle. The best you can hope for with a CDL is to plea it down to something less offensive before it goes to court.
 
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chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
thanks Turtle as i said it was what i heard, not what i knew as fact, your explaination clarifies it very well.

And no i didn't Add to my post at #4 after Phil posted at #22my edit at 4:42 was to correct 2 spelling errors..Just saying LOL...:rolleyes:

Oh and my post at #25, was put in at 4:32...just sayin...:rolleyes:

And USAF's post at #26 was added at 4:37..just sayin....
 
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ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
thanks Turtle as i said it was what i heard, not what i knew as fact, your explaination clarifies it very well.

And no i didn't Add to my post at #4 after Phil posted at #22my edit at 4:42 was to correct 2 spelling errors..Just saying LOL...:rolleyes:

Oh and my post at #25, was put in at 4:32...just sayin...:rolleyes:

And USAF's post at #26 was added at 4:37..just sayin....

Just sayin.... Oops. I missed the CSA 2010 comment in post #4. My mistake. I stand corrected.
 

pjjjjj

Veteran Expediter
thanks Turtle as i said it was what i heard, not what i knew as fact, your explaination clarifies it very well.

And no i didn't Add to my post at #4 after Phil posted at #22my edit at 4:42 was to correct 2 spelling errors..Just saying LOL...:rolleyes:

Oh and my post at #25, was put in at 4:32...just sayin...:rolleyes:

And USAF's post at #26 was added at 4:37..just sayin....

My apologies, I stand corrected.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
Helmet and seat belt laws are mainly an attempt to legislate against stupidity, since it's pretty stupid drive drive without one. To illustrate that, the biggest NASCAR fans are the ones least likely to wear a seat belt. True.

If you aren't wearing a seat belt and die in an accident, there are no public or insurance funds to claim. But it still costs the city a lot of money to hose what's left of you off the road while sifting out the bone fragments and jewelry.
 

geo

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Charter Member
Retired Expediter
US Navy
do not row over and pay a ticket fight it as you may lose your lic always hire a attonery to keep it
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Do you obey speed limit signs? How about stop signs? One way signs? Etc, etc, etc . . .

All these, plus many many more things are somebody telling you what to do. I dont have a problem with these.

Some times rules need to be put in place for the betterment (is that a word?) of society.:p

Oh..in that case you don't object to the HC bill?...you know..to make you healthier...

They can stick the medical card where the seat belt is to go...:rolleyes:

Nice to know liberties and freedom of choice ends at ones wallet?
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
ragman wrote:

Do you obey speed limit signs? How about stop signs? One way signs? Etc, etc, etc . . .

Ive broken all of those laws , some more often then others just has i am sure you have.

As for seatbelts and helmet, well not using one is against the carriers policy....:D the other, i sold my ,motorcylces yrs ago..but i still have the pins and plates in my arms ..but no plates in my head....and i only wore a helmet on the motocross track, never on the street...

i have more then enough insurance to take care of anything that happens to be, alrady been there and done that...so i don't need a gov handout to pay my way and i certainly don't need them to protect me from myself....
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
ragman wrote:



Ive broken all of those laws , some more often then others just has i am sure you have.

As for seatbelts and helmet, well not using one is against the carriers policy....:D the other, i sold my ,motorcylces yrs ago..but i still have the pins and plates in my arms ..but no plates in my head....and i only wore a helmet on the motocross track, never on the street...

i have more then enough insurance to take care of anything that happens to be, already been there and done that...so i don't need a gov handout to pay my way and i certainly don't need them to protect me from myself....


But, but, but..you'll cause Leos insurance rates to go up because they paid your claim....
 
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