witness23
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You know what Layout? You are right, I don't know you. I just dont believe you are as naive as you are pretending to be.
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You know what Layout? You are right, I don't know you. I just dont believe you are as naive as you are pretending to be.
witness23
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If listening to Beck makes me a fan, then guilty as charged.... I suppose.
Besides that the conservatives like my Sis in law don't give the Tea Party many good points...
There is nothing wrong with this country...it is the PEOPLE that are at fault...
this system of rule would work if more got off their butts and got involved....
It needs a complete clean-up and get back to basics...
witness23
Veteran Expediter
Besides that the conservatives like my Sis in law don't give the Tea Party many good points...
There is nothing wrong with this country...it is the PEOPLE that are at fault...
this system of rule would work if more got off their butts and got involved....
It needs a complete clean-up and get back to basics...
You get it OVM.
Tea Party aside...it takes PEOPLE to make this country work correctly....it does not take yet another layer of graft...more politicians?...WE should be CUTTING back on the numbers of politicians...Time for some lay-offs in DC and State houses...
witness23
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Well yeah. Okay, I thought you meant it starts with us, the people, not politicans. We have to change our attitudes and the way we think so we can raise our children with those same principles, integrity, honesty, etc, etc and so on. So when they are of age to run the country they will be better prepared to do the right things.
Starting with politicians is a start I guess, but we have to start with ourselves and pass that along to our kids. The way I see it, there is a place for Government, especially our Government and the way it is put in place. It is when you have people in power that make decisions without a pure heart is where you get into trouble. Let's face it, Government, Corporations, individuals are corrupt or can be corrupted. The way to limit corruption is to have people in charge that will not put their best interests in front of others for their benefit. Simple thing to say but a harder thing to do. I guess what I am saying is, it starts with yourself. No, actually it starts with God, if you believe, then yourself.
Everyone wants to blame the Government, Schools, Politicians, the Police, etc, etc, when all they have to do is look in the mirror to make things better.
I just focused of politicians BUT yes It starts with the people...
witness23
Veteran Expediter
I hear ya. You have to start somewhere, but the conversation (which it hasn't) has to start with us. Yeah, you can vote out all the bums, but you'll just be putting more bums in their place, what's the point. There is a time and place for that mentality because it would stop the career politician thing. But.....you can't tell me that there isn't one incumbant that just might be doing his job for the people that deserves to be in that position. Again it starts with us and putting the family back together.
The problem with the choices we have in the voting booth is that the best of the best among us don't want to have to endure the deep investigation of their background to run. Everyone has a skeleton or two and the true talents would rather stick to the private sector and make some real coin. When it's time to pull the lever on an unknown, we know what they want us to know about them and we just hope for the best. "Kick the bums out" sounds good, but Witness makes a good point. The replacements could be a bigger nightmare.
Sadly, I think the folks that want something for nothing are winning. A lot of folks voted the libs in for healthcare. If there was more participation in the system we have, I think it would be working just fine. But, i have to pay $400 a month for my BCBS to subsidize the freeloaders.
Hey Obama, how about some help with my $1400 bill from Atlantic DDA?
Sadly, I think the folks that want something for nothing are winning. A lot of folks voted the libs in for healthcare. If there was more participation in the system we have, I think it would be working just fine. But, i have to pay $400 a month for my BCBS to subsidize the freeloaders.
Hey Obama, how about some help with my $1400 bill from Atlantic DDA?
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Can you explain this?
Sure, it's about medical services costs and what they bill the insurance companies. Hospitals and clinics, like any business, have costs of operation. They also have customers that pay and customers that don't. If I'm in the hospital, that $40 Tylenol pill just might be a bit less if everyone paid their bill or carried insurance. But, there's a portion of the cost of that pill that goes to making up for the folks that don't pay for treatment.
This goes to everyone taking part and doing their fair share. We wonder what our government might look like if everyone participated and made informed choices in the voting booth. Some also wonder what our health care system would look like if everyone took part in it. I think the system we have would be just fine if people would do the responsible thing and carry insurance. If you're wealthy and want to pay out of pocket, no problem, as long as you pay. But, when someone with a good job, a house, cars, ect., whines about not being able to afford health care, GIMME! GIMME!, well, that's just wrong.
I know someone like I described. Nice house, 2 cars, yada yada. He needed minor surgery a couple years ago. He told the hospital he couldn't pay. Using the wizardry of an accountant, he was able to show a low taxable income. That qualified him for money that a church offered as charity. He took it. Not something my conscience would allow me to do.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Well I would normally say "yep that's the way it is" but it isn't.
Unfortunately your insurance costs are not simply or easily explained, it is more or less a pool of money that everyone dips out of.
One issue on the insurance side is mandates, either state all in one policies or just individual requirements of the state to give services like sex change operations and follow up care. THIS is what costs the insurance company more than anything else.
The problem when you go to the hospital and get billed for that $40 Tylenol it is part of the hospital's cost of doing business which actually includes a lot more than the actual cost of medicine and procedure. Part of the issue for a lot of hospitals is the cost of administration and staff to mitigate liabilities, you would not believe who they hire and for what reason. However I sort of do agree with you that the non-payment by patients is one issue but in reality Medicare and Medicaid is the biggest issue facing providers because of the shorting of payments and the non-negotiated fee schedule that is forced on the provider. One reason you never hear about a hospital dumping Medicare or Medicaid is they would face a public backlash.
BCBS actually negotiates the fee schedule for each hospital or system, they agree on the price for procedures and supplies and also agree on the patients portion. They spread their risk according to a lot of factor to maintain their 5% profit (or in the case of BCBS of Michigan their operating cushion).
Unfortunately your insurance costs are not simply or easily explained, it is more or less a pool of money that everyone dips out of.
One issue on the insurance side is mandates, either state all in one policies or just individual requirements of the state to give services like sex change operations and follow up care. THIS is what costs the insurance company more than anything else.
The problem when you go to the hospital and get billed for that $40 Tylenol it is part of the hospital's cost of doing business which actually includes a lot more than the actual cost of medicine and procedure. Part of the issue for a lot of hospitals is the cost of administration and staff to mitigate liabilities, you would not believe who they hire and for what reason. However I sort of do agree with you that the non-payment by patients is one issue but in reality Medicare and Medicaid is the biggest issue facing providers because of the shorting of payments and the non-negotiated fee schedule that is forced on the provider. One reason you never hear about a hospital dumping Medicare or Medicaid is they would face a public backlash.
BCBS actually negotiates the fee schedule for each hospital or system, they agree on the price for procedures and supplies and also agree on the patients portion. They spread their risk according to a lot of factor to maintain their 5% profit (or in the case of BCBS of Michigan their operating cushion).
You are right, it is "Koi" I was just being silly as normal.
I have never seen the Beck show and only heard a little one day when looking for something to listen to while driving.
I don't like Dumb-O-Crats, ReBumLiCans or any other brand name of slimy politicians. Voting out these bums will help, it is ONLY a start. The next bunch MIGHT not be as bad. Not likely, but you gotta try. I don't agree with nor do I like ANYTHING that Obama believes in.
I don't believe that we can raise our families or live our lives as we chose with our government in the shape that it is in. It has been going down hill for years and now that hill is MUCH steeper.
I voted already. I did as I say and voted AGAINST EVERY incumbent that I could. I did NOT vote FOR ANYONE that I would have liked to have seen in office. I don't remember that last time I did that.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
OK Here is the solution, eliminate Medicare and Medicaid for those who can afford to be self-insured.
THIS is a BIG step forward and removes about 40% of the burden of the system and that savings will translate into a savings for the providers to the point that they will both enjoy an increase in revenue and to some degree lowered costs.
For people like my father who already pay 6500 a year in insurance, he has no reason to use Medicare and is rather ticked off at being forced to use it. I think it is a big problem when you have a number of providers who can't afford to service Medicare patients that they have had for years, the system they are locked into does not even allow them to negotiate any services outside the system or the latitude to make good decisions based on medicine.
The rather very sad thing is ... well two rather sad things is you don't have a choice and because it is an age related issue, there is a discrimination factor involved and lastly nothing has been really addressed in the "Obama care" bill as it should have been.
NO plan, Obama Care, Medicare etc can be ANY good at all if FORCE is needed to implement them. IF they were GOOD plans people would be knocking over walls to join.