This should blow your minds

witness23

Veteran Expediter
I can't believe this hasn't been posted here before, at least I haven't seen it. We are screwed I tell ya, screwed!

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

United States — Muslim 1.0%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1%-2%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2. 7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.

They will push for the introduction of halaal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. (United States).

France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — Muslim 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions (Paris — car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats (Amsterdam — Mohammed cartoons).

Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 10-15%

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:

Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Isla mic House of Peace — there’s supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:

Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 99.9%

Of course, that’s not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
When Bosnia and killing is mentioned in this type of statement, I know it is nothing but BS.

BY the way ... I think many need to get a grip on reality and stop to see what this actually means by learning what the religion and the people are all about.

It seems that the latest BS move from a Cristian group is the same thing I faced by one of my girlfriends who said Buddhist are devil worshipers - she was a devoted Christian who took her bible and her pastor literally and I believe these people came from the same stock.

Southern Baptist leader on yoga
 

roadeyes

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I can't believe this hasn't been posted here before, at least I haven't seen it. We are screwed I tell ya, screwed!

It hasn't been posted here before because nobody has been stupid enough to post it!

I guess you get to have that dubious distinction!

Why do you care? Your god will protect you won't it???:rolleyes:


And for anybody who cares, more blood has been spilt by christians from their various causes and crusades throughout the course of history than any other religion ever.

Oh, but that's ok because their cause is just, right???:cool:

Not to mention the grave injustices done to the native Americans and Canadians in modern history by those christian groups who tried to impose their will and ways on the so called "heathens". All in the name of "saving their souls"!:rolleyes:

More wrongs have been committed in the name of religion of all stripes (with the exception of maybe buddhism, and no, I'm not a buddhist) than any other reason.

I know this is the soapbox forum and no, if I don't like it I don't have to read it, but I really wish EO would make religious discussions a no-no on here.

Politics is bad enough!
 
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LDB

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I know this is the soapbox forum and no, if I don't like it I don't have to read it, but I really wish EO would make religious discussions a no-no on here.

On Perry Mason they would say "Asked and answered". Islam isn't a religion anyway. It's a political system with a religious overtone set up in a way to deceive the ignorant masses into believing it's strictly religious. In any event, it's as you say. Reading and participation are not mandatory.
 

roadeyes

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Charter Member
On Perry Mason they would say "Asked and answered". Islam isn't a religion anyway. It's a political system with a religious overtone set up in a way to deceive the ignorant masses into believing it's strictly religious.

This is true, however all religions use the political system to acheive their goals even if their public statement says "religious freedom for all".

There is no separation of church and state in any religion no matter what some would like to believe. Those that are in political power will always use their religious beliefs to guide their judgements.

I am in no way saying what he posted was incorrect, I am just sick of the "holier than thou" attitude.
 

Moot

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I can't believe this hasn't been posted here before, at least I haven't seen it. We are screwed I tell ya, screwed!
That's because most of us, my self included, have more sense
than to post statistics lifted from the CIA:World Factbook without proper attribution.

♪♫Has anyone here seen my old friend witness♪♫

♪♫can you tell me where he's gone♪♫

Dion
 

Turtle

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Staff member
Retired Expediter
Leo, the same exact thing can be said about Christianity. Word for word. The notion of a separation of Church and State was a new and novel idea. Before America showed up, every country and culture on the planet was politically ruled by religionin in one form or another. Most still are, with most having an official religion, and the political parties are part and parcel of the religion. The few that don't fit that bill are largely dictatorships, past and present, which should make it clear enough that it's all about the power whether a religion is at the head of it or not, and in the cases of where the religion rules, the religion is merely the vehicle to gain that power. Islam, Christianity, they're both different sides of the same coin, and sometime it's hard to tell which side is which.
 

fortwayne

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........why is it when someone post anything on here regarding a sensative subject like religion, politics, race you can just feel the love....or should I say the hate (and ignorance.)
 

OntarioVanMan

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Man has found unthinkable ways to kill each other...

As much as WE want to control them, YES I consider us the bad guy as well.....and They want to control us....

The first recorded war occurred in c. 2700 B.C. It was between Sumer (in modern Iraq) and Elam (a region that is now part of Iran), and was fought in the area around Basra (just like the Iran-Iraq war of the 1980s). Of course, tribes, cities, etc., had been fighting each other for thousands of years before that, but there are no records of these earlier conflicts as writing wasn't invented until a little before 3000 B.C. "

and we think we are going to stop this area from the killing in a couple years....*L* My are we vain and arrogant!!
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
This should really blow you mind away ...

The winners if the 2010 Nobel economics prize won it for developing a theory that helps explain why many people can remain unemployed despite a large number of job vacancies.

God my cat could have explained that.

What the twist is with these winners, one was nominated become a member of the federal reserve but the democratically controlled senate didn't approve his nomination before lawmakers left for the season. There is a blame of republicans and I can't seem to support that, the guy comes up with theories where we need action and solutions.

So I see a setup here, something really stupid and simple winning a prize that is highly political in nature setting up the republicans to take the fall for not putting this "great mind" on the board of the Fed.


........why is it when someone post anything on here regarding a sensative subject like religion, politics, race you can just feel the love....or should I say the hate (and ignorance.)

Hate?

I don't think so.

Many cling to religion because they have not much else in life, others defend theirs because they view it as the one true religion while others still are ignorant by choice of the world.

I posted a link to an article about Southern Baptist Seminary President Albert Mohler screaming that Yoga is the work of the devil (in my words) because the "stretching and meditative discipline" is not a "Christian path to God" - this is ignorance.

The same goes for the "fear" that Muslims are taking over the world or at least the country. I don't see it at all. I conceded that Europe is a problem onto themselves to begin with and their racists attitudes are catching up to them but we are not Europe nor are we tightly controlled to the point that we can't accept or welcome different types of people to our country without permission of the government.

IF the Muslims were actually taking over the country, then they would be topping our list of educated students, they would have swept in here with their intelligentsia and the elite of their world, they would be moving into communities and running for office, they would demand protection for every little offending remark but I yet to see it happen.
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
What's with the strawman arguements lately? This is looking like a 3rd grade debate team. :rolleyes:

We're talking about Muslims. Not christians, pre-US; or the plight of Native Americans/Canadians. Get with the program, guys.
 
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xiggi

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It hasn't been posted here before because nobody has been stupid enough to post it!

I guess you get to have that dubious distinction!

Why do you care? Your god will protect you won't it???:rolleyes:


And for anybody who cares, more blood has been spilt by christians from their various causes and crusades throughout the course of history than any other religion ever.

Oh, but that's ok because their cause is just, right???:cool:

Not to mention the grave injustices done to the native Americans and Canadians in modern history by those christian groups who tried to impose their will and ways on the so called "heathens". All in the name of "saving their souls"!:rolleyes:

More wrongs have been committed in the name of religion of all stripes (with the exception of maybe buddhism, and no, I'm not a buddhist) than any other reason.

I know this is the soapbox forum and no, if I don't like it I don't have to read it, but I really wish EO would make religious discussions a no-no on here.

Politics is bad enough!

You have to love this argument that people always spout about. Because injustice was done centuries ago it is ok if another group does it today.
 

xiggi

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The same goes for the "fear" that Muslims are taking over the world or at least the country. I don't see it at all. I conceded that Europe is a problem onto themselves to begin with and their racists attitudes are catching up to them but we are not Europe nor are we tightly controlled to the point that we can't accept or welcome different types of people to our country without permission of the government.

IF the Muslims were actually taking over the country, then they would be topping our list of educated students, they would have swept in here with their intelligentsia and the elite of their world, they would be moving into communities and running for office, they would demand protection for every little offending remark but I yet to see it happen.

Every large group that has caused change has an extremist wing. Because the majority of Muslims are good people are we not supposed to question the methods of the extreme or activist part of that group? It is those very parts of any group that tend to get things changed in their favor. It is nothing but sticking ones head in the sand to ignore such things regardless of what group is being referred to.
 

Turtle

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Retired Expediter
We're talking about Muslims. Not christians, pre-US; or the plight of Native Americans/Canadians. Get with the program, guys.
Actually, we're talking about a hand-picked, highly selective, well crafted set of statistics that represents an astoundingly incomplete picture, presented expressly for the purpose of fostering hate towards a specific group of people. It is the age-old struggle of Christians versus non-Christians, of "you're different than me and don't believe in the same things as me, therefor I am better than you," of "my imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend," of "you're all things evil and I'm all things good," of "I'm right because I have the power of not only my imaginary friend to back me up, but a lot of people who have the same imaginary friend backing me up, as well."

It never fails to amaze me at just how many "one true" religions there are. Truly.
 

roadeyes

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Every large group that has caused change has an extremist wing. Because the majority of Muslims are good people are we not supposed to question the methods of the extreme or activist part of that group? It is those very parts of any group that tend to get things changed in their favor. It is nothing but sticking ones head in the sand to ignore such things regardless of what group is being referred to.

The problem is that even though the majority of muslims are indeed good people, because they don't do enough to expose the radical elements present in their own society, they tend to get painted with the same brush when it comes to suspicion and fear.

It is a valid arguement to say that if you don't expose and do everything possible to rid the extremists elements within your own society, then by your inactions it is viewed that you in fact condone those views and your group as a whole will suffer the backlash as a result of your inactions.

It's the same as saying that if you are not part of the solution then you are definitely part of the problem and I really do think that they do very little in that regard to improve their image as a society.
 

dieseldiva

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The problem is that even though the majority of muslims are indeed good people, because they don't do enough to expose the radical elements present in their own society, they tend to get painted with the same brush when it comes to suspicion and fear.

It is a valid arguement to say that if you don't expose and do everything possible to rid the extremists elements within your own society, then by your inactions it is viewed that you in fact condone those views and your group as a whole will suffer the backlash as a result of your inactions.

It's the same as saying that if you are not part of the solution then you are definitely part of the problem and I really do think that they do very little in that regard to improve their image as a society.

Very nicely put and many of us here would agree. I would like to add that it really doesn't matter whether one believes that Islam is a religion of peace or not, it won't change the fact that those today, that seek to destroy us are indeed Muslim. Reality can be an ugly thing but it must be recognized and dealt with all the same.

IMHO, there are two kinds of sins. Sins of commission and sins of omission, the latter being what we see in the "peaceful" Muslim communities.
 

greg334

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But see you can replace Muslim with Christian and get the same exact results.

Every religion has the same issues, doesn't matter which one it is.

When we talk about peace, we don't figure the past, and in many cases obfuscate the facts and only look at it as an attack on us. We don't use the reality that Christians are the same as Muslims as Jews as Shintos so on... in regards of what people do to other people.

In this very thread there is a comment about Bosnia, where Christians killed Muslims in mass (Srebrenica massacre anyone?), which I know many don't get who did what. That was a religious war as much as the Chechen war is with the Russians killing Muslims who want independence.

NO matter what people think, the idea of many of them speaking up publicly won't happen. It isn't because they don't think it is wrong but rather many of them have to work behind the scenes to ensure that the problems stay within the religion. I know a lot of Americans and Europeans lack that understanding, as much as many of them can't understand the differences between Hindu and Muslim but it is happening.

The same thing isn't happening in the Christian religion, there is no work to solve the real issues let alone behind the scenes. There is no affirmation that the religion is one of peace and understanding but it really looks like a rather fractured religion.
 

dieseldiva

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I'm going to try and simplify this, as it is really quite simple for many of us, and say that we don't live in the past, we don't live in other countries, there aren't any other religions attacking us today, right here, and right now.

Some of you have made so many arguments for the Muslim religion by giving examples of other religions, that it's beginning to look like you're either spinning or sympathizing. You've argued every time period from the beginning of time up to and including present day but the facts are still the facts.....there are no Christians beheading their wives IN THIS COUNTRY, there are no Christians killing their daughters in the name of "honor" IN THIS COUNTRY, there are no Christians planting bombs in public places or killing fellow soldiers IN THIS COUNTRY and if you'll allow yourself to be honest, you know very well if there were......the whole Christian community would be outraged and speaking out against it.

Some of us are very tired of hearing the "they did it too" thing, as though that would make any evil that is done today in the name of Islam acceptable.
 

xiggi

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Those kooky Christians always flying planes into buildings, blowing up marine barracks, ramming explosive filled boats into navy ships. Oh then there are the ones who strap bombs to themselves and explode them to keep others from voting and to instill fear in the masses or stoning women to death because they were accused of adultery. Yeap a kooky crazy bunch they are.

Again just because one group does something does not mean it is ok and we need to look the other way when another group does that and because someone else did it. That argument is completely invalid. To say it is ok not to speak up is because you are in the community is a poor excuse just like the inner city excuse for not snitching is a poor excuse. Wrong is wrong regardless of who is committing the wrong.
 
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