This Post for the VETS and those Concerned Commissary Funding cuts and hudge clousers

[iceroadtrucker]

Click and see for your self the Cutts to our Commissarys.


Pentagon Proposes Plan to Gut Commissary's Budget | Military.com


This is a bunch of Hog Wash.

 

[Ragman]

Re: This Post for the VETS and those Concerned Commissary Funding cuts and hudge clou

This is a bunch of Hog Wash.

 

[skyraider]

Re: This Post for the VETS and those Concerned Commissary Funding cuts and hudge clou

2013 Enlisted Pay Chart



< 2

Over 2

Over 3

Over 4

Over 6

Over 8

Over 10

Over 12

Over 14

E-9

$4,789 $4,897 $5,034
E-8

$3,920 $4,094 $4,201 $4,330
E-7

$2,725 $2,974 $3,088 $3,239 $3,357 $3,559 $3,673 $3,876 $4,044
E-6

$2,357 $2,594 $2,708 $2,819 $2,935 $3,197 $3,299 $3,495 $3,555
E-5

$2,160 $2,304 $2,416 $2,530 $2,707 $2,894 $3,046 $3,064 $3,064
E-4

$1,980 $2,081 $2,194 $2,305 $2,403 $2,403 $2,403 $2,403 $2,403
E-3

$1,787 $1,900 $2,015 $2,015 $2,015 $2,015 $2,015 $2,015 $2,015
E-2

$1,700 $1,700 $1,700 $1,700 $1,700 $1,700 $1,700 $1,700 $1,700
E-1

$1,516 $1,516 $1,516 $1,516 $1,516 $1,516 $1,516 $1,516 $1,516
*E-1 With less than 4 Months = $1,403











For the Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy or Coast Guard, Chief Master Sergeant of the AF, Sergeant Major of the Army or Marine Corps or Senior Enlisted Advisor of the JCS, basic pay is $7,489.80.
Basic pay rate for Academy Cadets/Midshipmen and ROTC members/applicants is $974.40.



Over 16

Over 18

Over 20

Over 22

Over 24

Over 26

Over 30

Over 34

Over 38

E-9

$5,195 $5,357 $5,617 $5,837 $6,069 $6,423 $6,743 $7,081 $7,435
E-8

$4,469 $4,720 $4,848 $5,065 $5,185 $5,481 $5,591 $5,591 $5,591
E-7

$4,158 $4,281 $4,329 $4,487 $4,573 $4,898 $4,898 $4,898 $4,898
E-6

$3,600 $3,651 $3,651 $3,651 $3,651 $3,651 $3,651 $3,651 $3,651
E-5

$3,064 $3,064 $3,064 $3,064 $3,064 $3,064 $3,064 $3,064 $3,064
E-4

$2,403 $2,403 $2,403 $2,403 $2,403 $2,403 $2,403 $2,403 $2,403
E-3

$2,015 $2,015 $2,015 $2,015 $2,015 $2,015 $2,015 $2,015 $2,015
E-2

$1,700 $1,700 $1,700 $1,700 $1,700 $1,700 $1,700 $1,700 $1,700
E-1

$1,516 $1,516 $1,516
My E-1 pay in 1966 was 64 bucks a month, now its 1700 a month,,,wow.............

 

[iceroadtrucker]

Re: This Post for the VETS and those Concerned Commissary Funding cuts and hudge clou

So did u Retire or not. 4 your information I use the Commensary and PX.

 

[layoutshooter]

Re: This Post for the VETS and those Concerned Commissary Funding cuts and hudge clou

Why is it that those who did the most, seem to lose the most, and those who did NOTHING keep getting increases? The FIRST cuts should be to the pay to the politicians get. THEN welfare, you know, don't earn it? Don't get it! Only after ALL the non-earned give aways are done away with should EARNED benefits get cut.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

Re: This Post for the VETS and those Concerned Commissary Funding cuts and hudge clou

Why is it that those who did the most, seem to lose the most, and those who did NOTHING keep getting increases? The FIRST cuts should be to the pay to the politicians get. THEN welfare, you know, don't earn it? Don't get it! Only after ALL the non-earned give aways are done away with should EARNED benefits get cut.

Yep, I agree with getting rid of welfare... starting with corporate.

 

[layoutshooter]

Re: This Post for the VETS and those Concerned Commissary Funding cuts and hudge clou

Yep, I agree with getting rid of welfare... starting with corporate.

It would be interesting to know what you mean by corporate welfare. I am saying that as we cut the budget we do away with UNEARNED benefits before we do away with EARNED benefits. In other words, quit screwing those who worked. IF it is an "everything on the table" thing, that HAS to include ALL UNEARNED benefits and those UNEARNED BENEFITS SHOULD be the first to go.

 

[RLENT]

Re: This Post for the VETS and those Concerned Commissary Funding cuts and hudge clou

Corporate welfare - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Crony capitalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[cheri1122]

Re: This Post for the VETS and those Concerned Commissary Funding cuts and hudge clou

Click and see for your self the Cutts to our Commissarys.


Pentagon Proposes Plan to Gut Commissary's Budget | Military.com


This is a bunch of Hog Wash.

Your comments should be directed to those legislators who require budget cuts in order to do anything at all in Congress. Of course, the minute any program is projected for cuts, someone will protest "Not that program!"
In this case, though, it looks like they made a good choice.

Survey: Most Enlistees Don't Value Commissaries | Military.com

 

[cheri1122]

Re: This Post for the VETS and those Concerned Commissary Funding cuts and hudge clou

It would be interesting to know what you mean by corporate welfare. I am saying that as we cut the budget we do away with UNEARNED benefits before we do away with EARNED benefits. In other words, quit screwing those who worked. IF it is an "everything on the table" thing, that HAS to include ALL UNEARNED benefits and those UNEARNED BENEFITS SHOULD be the first to go.

Daniel D. Huff, professor emeritus of social work at Boise State University, published a comprehensive analysis of corporate welfare in 1993.[SUP][15][/SUP] Huff ratiocinated that a very conservative estimate of corporate welfare expenditures in the United States would have been at least US$170 billion as of 1990.[SUP][15][/SUP] Huff compared this number with social welfare:
In 1990 the federal government spent 4.7 billion dollars on all forms of international aid. Pollution control programs received 4.8 billion dollars of federal assistance while both secondary and elementary education were allotted only 8.4 billion dollars. More to the point, while more than 170 billion dollars is expended on assorted varieties of corporate welfare the federal government spends 11 billion dollars on Aid for Dependent Children. The most expensive means tested welfare program, Medicaid, costs the federal government 30 billion dollars a year or about half of the amount corporations receive each year through assorted tax breaks. S.S.I., the federal program for the disabled, receives 13 billion dollars while American businesses are given 17 billion in direct federal aid.


This is "a very conservative estimate", and it's a disgrace, because corporate welfare has only increased in the 10 years since this independent study was done.
And everyone screams about the working class people who need food stamps to eat?!

 

[layoutshooter]

Re: This Post for the VETS and those Concerned Commissary Funding cuts and hudge clou

That "survey" did not talk to retirees, many of the older ones, widows etc, depend on those earned benefits to make ends meet. They full filled their end of the legal, binding, contract, the government should do the same. Legal, binding, contracts SHOULD be upheld. That includes SS etc. IF the benefit was EARNED, it should be paid. Change the rules for the NEW contract as new comes on, changing horses in mid stream is wrong.

 

[cheri1122]

Re: This Post for the VETS and those Concerned Commissary Funding cuts and hudge clou

Once again, you clearly failed to read and/or comprehend it, because it says very clearly that the retirees are the one group that does use the commissaries, and would not like to see them go.
My point was that if budget cuts must be made, people will lose services they've become accustomed to - there's no way around it.
I'd blame those in Congress who refuse to consider anything that doesn't include deep budget cuts, which is why nothing is getting accomplished.
First, we get our economy back on track, and get people working again [earning wages that support a family!], then we tackle the budget. And I believe we'd find that many of the shortfalls are shrinking, when people are working and paying taxes. We could shrink them even faster by eliminating the corporate welfare, if that's truly what Congress wants to do.
Doesn't look like it, though.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

Re: This Post for the VETS and those Concerned Commissary Funding cuts and hudge clou

It would be interesting to know what you mean by corporate welfare. I am saying that as we cut the budget we do away with UNEARNED benefits before we do away with EARNED benefits. In other words, quit screwing those who worked. IF it is an "everything on the table" thing, that HAS to include ALL UNEARNED benefits and those UNEARNED BENEFITS SHOULD be the first to go.

By earned, I'm guessing you mean the payola given to elected officials in return for said welfare?

 

[iceroadtrucker]

Re: This Post for the VETS and those Concerned Commissary Funding cuts and hudge clou

By earned, I'm guessing you mean the payola given to elected officials in return for said welfare?

It's far from welfare, The Men and Women that served this country and retired or were disabled for that matter were guaranteed certain things Pay ect. Medical of which we now have to pay for. ect. Commsaries & PX ect we use them.

So I take it that u and a few others feel that the Retired and Disabled Vets of this Country dont deserve what we earned. Is that what You and Cheri are saying.

How would U feel if the company said Your not an owner Your just a driver you dont need all those runs. In that case the would you side with that person as well?? Dictatorship is that what this country has come to?? I would hope Not.

When we lie to the Govt its a Felony but when they lie to Us its Politics.
Shooters Right they need to stop.
When I left the service and started driving for the company Ive been driving for since I got out I was greeted by CC named Bob he said welcome to FedEX u want work we got all the runs you want The Sky the Limit. That being said Free Enterprise right. No Hold backs do anything. Hmm But it seems more and more Political Red Tape Ect Cuts Broken promises ect. Weather its int he Govt Sector or the out on the deck plates in the blue colar work force. Chipping away what will it be in a few years. Hmm Unless things change its not going to get any better. The Govt and the Bean Counters Need to take a round turn For the Better and rethink their stratagies.
Earned should not be done away with. Just like the rights we all have to work if we want to work then let us work. I never collected one penny in a soup line or in the Unemployment line. I have always worked. I qualifed when I got out but never never never got one penney. Never asked for it either. Dont take what Ive earned and Stop dictating my earning Potentional. As as Bob said the Sky's the Limit. Isn't this Great Country the land of Opportunity? I was always told it was.
Thats My Rant Double Tapp!!!!!! Yupper !!!

 

[layoutshooter]

Re: This Post for the VETS and those Concerned Commissary Funding cuts and hudge clou

By earned, I'm guessing you mean the payola given to elected officials in return for said welfare?

I signed a contract. I completed the terms of that contract in a correct, proper and honorable way. I EARNED the benefits that were in that contract. EARNING something is NOT welfare, nor is it now, nor will it ever be considered "payola".

Contrary to what LiBerAls and Obama bums may say, EARN is a GOOD 4 letter word! It is the OPPOSITE of TAKE! Those who have EARNED something are ENTITLED to it, those who do NOT earn are NOT entitled to anything.

 

[davekc]

Re: This Post for the VETS and those Concerned Commissary Funding cuts and hudge clou

I don't think anyone questions whether it was earned or not. It has to do with whether there is any or enough money. Just how it is. I think members of Congress should get a pay cut, but that isn't going to happen. Same thing with "Corporate welfare". These companies pour millions into political campaigns for favors down the road. That is why we have thousands of lobbyists. Nothing will change there until that is addressed. So, they will go after the other items.

 

[layoutshooter]

Re: This Post for the VETS and those Concerned Commissary Funding cuts and hudge clou

I don't think anyone questions whether it was earned or not. It has to do with whether there is any or enough money. Just how it is. I think members of Congress should get a pay cut, but that isn't going to happen. Same thing with "Corporate welfare". These companies pour millions into political campaigns for favors down the road. That is why we have thousands of lobbyists. Nothing will change there until that is addressed. So, they will go after the other items.

Cut 100% of ALL UNEARNED benefits FIRST. THEN if there is not enough money to pay those who EARNED things, start cutting.

ALSO

DO NOT GIVE ONE RED CENT TO ILLEGAL ALIENS! NOT ONLY DID THE NOT EARN IT, THEY ARE CRIMINALS. SEND THEM HOME! ALIVE IF POSSIBLE.

ALSO

ELIMINATE 100% OF FOREIGN AID!

Then and ONLY then should EARNED benefits be cut.

The days of screwing people who EARN things in favor of those who don't, and other just plain CRAP, have got to end.

The idea of throwing hard working, honest American's under the bus, in favor of criminals and bums, is just plain WRONG!

You watch, they will cut EARNED benefits and, if they get their way, will suddenly find enough money to FORGIVE college loans.

It sucks. Doing right around here gets your ear screwed. IT JUST AIN'T WORTH IT!

 

[cheri1122]

Re: This Post for the VETS and those Concerned Commissary Funding cuts and hudge clou

People who worked their whole lives were promised Social Security benefits upon retirement, and they earned them, but when it was time to collect, the government changed the rules. Because they had spent the money. Of course, those responsible were long gone, so, tough luck, Chuck - deal with it.
People who contributed to a 401k for decades lost every penny when Enron and many other companies went bankrupt, who made up for their losses? No one.
We really are becoming [if we haven't already become] a nation of, by, and for the profitable, and to hell with the people.
Funny, neither the Constitution nor the Bill of Rights mentions profits.

 

[layoutshooter]

Re: This Post for the VETS and those Concerned Commissary Funding cuts and hudge clou

Another one bites the dust.