RE: RE%3A This is how the Anti War Protestors
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Tallcal,
It seems that you’re the paranoid one here. Please take the emotion out.
I realize that you can’t possible look at this in a logical and sensible way, but please read my previous post again. I didn’t mean to insult you if you feel so, but I have said this several times, you have to understand the mind set of the people we are helping.
But with that all said, here we go;
You said; “You favor this action in Iraq,even though you say you don't support Bush??????!!!!!!â€
Yes I do favor the action in Iraq, there are reasons that I and say a few other million people understand why we are there and a few tens of millions all over the world. The fact is that Bush has not been my favorite person to direct the war simply because he has been a) too soft with pursuing terrorist, b) more worried about the ACLU, Amnesty International, human rights watch, the UN, the french and the media being on the front lines instead of taking the lessons learned in other conflicts (remember those insane murder fests) where there was a lock down of the country and we used the troops to kill the bad guys. To me he has started some things and didn’t finish them, hence he falls short of being my favorite president but regardless, I do support the mission, the troops and the leader of the troops for a successful outcome – this is the only way we will win, the only way the Iraqis will win and the only way we will defeat the terrorist and their supporters.
You said; “Lets bash good old Demo Presidents just for the fun of it(one of your favorite deflection tactics)????!!!!!!!â€
Nope not a favorite tactic, just the truth – what democrat president since Truman has been a forward thinking, positive world leader? JFK? Johnson? Carter? Clinton. I would say JFK came close and Johnson (but again they gave us the Vietnam war) followed with Clinton not far behind but the fact is Carter was/is a failure, face it, he is still a disgusting old man who favors the enemies of our country – READ HIS LAST BOOK. Now let’s talk about Clinton for a moment, I think he did an injustice in Serbia and this was the amount of his foreign policy? He could have stayed out of it and let Europe take care of the problem. By the way there is trouble brewing in the region, maybe another civil war, a real one that is.
Oh by the way, so not to deflect this again, I would like to have a discussion about which democrat president was good in the latter part of the 20th century. I don’t like to hear about someone like Carter being an expert in Middle East affairs, maybe how to p*ss on you allies and cause the growth of international terrorism – which he is an expert on these two subjects.
You said; “Lets confuse the reality on the ground today(hopeless and getting more so each day)and make an irrational argument that it is really a wise thing had only we not elected Clinton 14 years ago??!!!!â€
Well let’s eliminate some confusion; reality is that Iraq is free today. Have you ever lived under a dictator? Have you ever had to deal with living in pure terror? No of course not and neither have I but I know others who have gone through pure terror like not knowing if they will end up in prison or never be heard from again. The Iraqi I talk to a lot who runs a gas station near me told me a lot of stories about what happen to him and his family. He was imprisoned for questioning a new law and beaten. He told me how his brother-in-law was taken in the middle of the night because he was mistaken for someone else, only to return with missing fingers and being whipped for three days. He told me what happened to his father, a doctor who helped the wife of a mayor of a town who was outspoken against Saddam. His father was beaten so badly that he lived for a week and than the ‘government’ refused to allow him to be buried. The wife of the mayor eventually disappeared with her children. This guy is so thankful that we did what we have done and he has returned several times to see the changes, he isn’t going to lie about what is going on. But don’t forget the people do understand what we are there for, and many of them do not want us to leave and many more know if we leave what could happen. The minority are the problem and will always be a problem.
So what I hear from several Iraqis, not just that guy is not what I hear or read in any media outlet. There is a BIG BIG movement of modernization going on. The entire country is not facing the bloodshed as the media wants everyone to believe. The increase of small businesses, cell phones, big screen tv’s and a whole bunch of things have happened since the new government has taken control. There are elections, there is new monetary system, and there are a number of countries who have not only sent troops but also are helping build up the country. We only hear about the bad stuff, not the good stuff, we only hear about the US troops who are getting killed, we don’t really hear about the other troops or any information about the contractors (who you hate for some reason).
Hopeless?
Nope not at all.
Civil war?
No not really there, maybe one in Serbia.
Oh yea one other thing, these people (Sunnis, Shiite and other sects of Muslims) have been fighting for around 1100 years or so and this will not stop with us being there or leaving. Saddam kept control of things through terror.
You said; †Lets confuse the CIA and The Special Force's?????!!!!!!â€
No let’s not. There is a big difference between the two. The CIA actually was the group who pulled the trigger in many cases but hey if it was talked about, that would be or may be crime. Many things we should not know about and former CIA people writing books are in truth bad taste and out of line, just as a secret service person writing a book. Special Forces is what you implied, I would say that is a military action and is far more complex than sending in the CIA to do a job. But again read my post carefully, these are valid and real reasons for NOT taking out Saddam via a special operation.
You said; “Why is it you never speak of the large and ever growing number of ranking Republican members of Congress that voted to support this action and have since changed their minds?????!!!â€
I find that the division in congress is more to do with political positioning than actually to do with the subject at hand. If you read between the lines, most of the more vocal people are trying to obtain a nomination for president and the few who are not are only pandering to the panic stricken group of want-to-bes’ to help get into position to gain power but also have been very inconsistent with their message. Some of these RINOs see that there is two years left with Bush and than what? They are just dumb and I would like to see the Republican Party to get rid of them. This is all politics, plain and simple. The latest cr*p comes from the ‘Vietnam vets’ in congress who are clueless as far as I am concern opposing the troop deployment to supplement the troops – how insulting to the troops. They do a disservice to this country and a disservice to every person in Iraq/Afghanistan.
The one thing that I find the people of this great country are ignorant about is the service that these people should be doing. With comments from some people in congress, I would say some of these people are advocating some form of overthrow of the president and changes in the constitution to protect their power. One comment about the president is not the only person who can command the military is almost treason, the constitution only allows oversight not intervention of the congress unless there is a clear danger to the nation, which there is no danger like the constitution was written to prevent. The people seem to be too dumb to understand that their representatives should worry about other things, not Iraq to the point that everyone needs to go there to see what is going on.
It is amazing that Obama has a position with all of this. He is pandering to his ‘friends’ in Hollywood and Soros which leads me to question his ability to lead. Wrong man for the job? Maybe. I still say that the democrat party has others who would be a lot better than the bunch who are on the daily front page, too bad that there is no intelligence with the democrat party to present them to the public but again look at who is running the party – a bunch of far left nuts that make Lenin look a right wing Christian conservative.
You said; “Could it be that you just want to keep the debate going to push your anti everything agenda (women politicians,politicians who hide behind their ethnicity to get votes,anyone who ever had sex with more then one person,anyone who was ever President and happened to be a Democrat,anyone who ever took part in a legal protest,anyone who ever questioned possible green house effect,anyone who does not march in lock step with that idiot Bill O)and the list goes on.â€
Ohh, I guess debating is out of the question? I know that cutting it short with a comment like this is another liberal tactic, come on Tallcal.
Well Anti-everything, pretty good that I am covering everything.
Let’s see, I would like to see any politician who is good for the people who elect them and who is good for the country. I think race baiting, meaning that you have to vote for someone based on race or gender is wrong, be it white, black or green. I feel that groups that are race-based in congress and others who make it a money thing are also racist and there is no reason that they should exist as much as groups that oppose any American person.
Having sex with more than one person? Ok, I guess I am anti-Greg too, wow I hate myself. Before I met my wife that was not an issue but since I devoted my life to her, no more.
Anti-president? Eh, you got me mistaken with any democrat.
Anti-democrat? No not at all, I find a lot of democrats who were great people, one is Truman, the other is FDR and another is Jackson and Cleveland.
Anti-anyone who ever took part in a legal protest? Well depends on the protest and depends on the person. I mean that war protest show the shallowness of the people who are protesting and a true ignorance of the people involved. The 60’s protesters who thought that they were doing the right thing were puppets according to a few former Vietnamese officials and during the Korean war (you know one of those insane murder fest) the intelligence gathered showed that the commies knew that they could gain a foot hold through the use of the campuses which happened 15 years later. The other thing is that I feel that no congressman should ever partake in a protest, they have an obligation to stay neutral and use their power to change things as an ELECTED person if the people who elected them feel that they need to change things.
Anti-anyone who ever questioned possible green house effect? Well I always said the climate is changing but I strongly feel that there is a religion that has been created that controls things and forces many to become sheep for the good of the earth. I guess that the point is that there is NO real scientific methods used to determine all of this and by being in a panic mood will not create solutions but may do more damage. We can’t control the earth and in thinking so, we act like a God which we are not. Back in the late 80’s we have two major volcanoes explode. This caused draughts, major changes in weather patterns and rain in areas rain never had in centuries and never had since. We didn’t cause them to blow but for years we had changes to weather to deal with.
I am anti-government solution, which means that I don’t want to hand my country’s sovereignty to a group of French speaking idiots or the UN. I didn’t elect them and they have no right to judge my country or tell me what to do. We have cleaned up our country without their help and can continue to do so in the future.
Why do you bring up a person who I don’t listen to?
Now we return you to the regulary scheduled programming.
