Falligator
Expert Expediter
Think we will be at war (or should I say resume) with N. Korea? We should have finished the job 50 years ago.
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Think we will go to war with N. Korea?
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bobwg
Expert Expediter
Yes just like we should have finished the war in Vietnam instead of cutting and running away
We will not go to war with North Korea because the risks are too great that the superpower China would face us down.
We would be in their back yard and they have millions more soldiers in uniform than we do. Technology-wise, they have a modern army that is getting more modern. See: China's New Drones Raise Eyebrows.
The Twentieth Century was the American Century. The Twenty First Century belongs to China. They have the troops. They have the technology. They are a nuclear power. They have the second largest economy in the world and, by virtue of the amount of U.S. government bonds they now own, they have the ability to destroy the U.S. economy at will by flooding the market with our own money.
Such a move would cost them plenty but if they decide it is a price they are willing to pay, the super power that the U.S. used to be will be but a memory. All great powers seem to rise and fall. The U.S. rose in the Twentieth Century. It's fall is underway.
That does not mean that we are doomed. People in Greece, Rome and the United Kingdom are still able to live meaningful lives. It's just that they don't do it under a powerful flag.
Talk about a timely topic! See this news item about North Korea shelling a South Korean island on Tuesday. Notice that even though the U.S. has troops on the ground in the area, the response is not retaliation in kind but verbal. If the U.S. was more powerful and China less so, the response would be different.
We would be in their back yard and they have millions more soldiers in uniform than we do. Technology-wise, they have a modern army that is getting more modern. See: China's New Drones Raise Eyebrows.
The Twentieth Century was the American Century. The Twenty First Century belongs to China. They have the troops. They have the technology. They are a nuclear power. They have the second largest economy in the world and, by virtue of the amount of U.S. government bonds they now own, they have the ability to destroy the U.S. economy at will by flooding the market with our own money.
Such a move would cost them plenty but if they decide it is a price they are willing to pay, the super power that the U.S. used to be will be but a memory. All great powers seem to rise and fall. The U.S. rose in the Twentieth Century. It's fall is underway.
That does not mean that we are doomed. People in Greece, Rome and the United Kingdom are still able to live meaningful lives. It's just that they don't do it under a powerful flag.
Talk about a timely topic! See this news item about North Korea shelling a South Korean island on Tuesday. Notice that even though the U.S. has troops on the ground in the area, the response is not retaliation in kind but verbal. If the U.S. was more powerful and China less so, the response would be different.
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AMonger
Veteran Expediter
Not only that, but the USMC is a little busy right now.
bobwg
Expert Expediter
wow really would never have thought that! and that only proves we cut the size of our military to much
AMonger
Veteran Expediter
It's not so much that as the fact that we have an all-volunteer force. Volunteers are inspired by several factors, one of them being the worthiness of the causes in play at the time. When Pearl Harbor was bombed, and the Japanese and Nazis were terrorizing the globe, lines formed at the recruiters' offices. No prodding was needed because Americans believed in the cause. If you can't get enough volunteers now (and there's no way we can with 2 fronts now and you're talking about a third), even with the economy as bad as it is, unemployment high among young people of military age, then they must not see the wars as something that needs to be done for the defense of the country.
bobwg
Expert Expediter
THe problem is we have cut the size in nearly half of what is was over last what 20 years even if we could get people fast enough it would take time to gear up the equipment etc for this and my point again we let the military shrink to much
AMonger
Veteran Expediter
Again, looking at it backwards. This phrase:
says it all. As I pointed out, young Americans don't (at least to this point) care enough about the world's geopolitical situation to join in greater numbers. Unless/until they do, we could triple our armory and it would make no difference. Rifles and tanks and aircraft carriers don't operate themselves.
bobwg
Expert Expediter
Why wait til there is an emergency to try at the last minute to get the manpower you need its called planning ahead for any and all possible problems which means not letting the govt cut the size of the military which is what they did they said we only need this number of people so what did they do they cut the number of army divisioins , cut the navy from 12 aircraft carriers to 10 along with the escort ships, etc
AMonger
Veteran Expediter
Why? Here's one reason. There are lots of people in the country who think nothing of finding a young man with his whole life ahead of him, grabbing him by the collar, telling him, "Let's you and that guy over there fight." Then they ship him off to Outer Elbonia for him to die over NOTHING. If we have extra men around, doing nothing but training to kill and die, they tend to get sent out to kill and die over less and less.
No, if you or others are so gung-ho to start a war, convince Americans at the time that it's worth spilling American blood.
bobwg
Expert Expediter
So if some country say China decided to send its 3 million troops over here and invade us and/or Canada that s when you will say oh gee guess it s time to recruit the troops , train them , arm and equip them etc
AMonger
Veteran Expediter
That can't be done overnight. I've often heard some worry aloud that China's huge army could take us without much problem just due to their size. The thing is, there aren't enough ships and planes on the planet to transport them all over here...at all, that is, not just in any reasonable period of time. But if..if.if... If they did send a huge force over here, you'd have to reinstate the draft, wouldn't you? Is that what you're advocating?
JarHeadJon
Seasoned Expediter
It was 57 years ago...not 50. Are you planning on enlisting to assist in finishing the job, or are you another who thinks that only kids should die for what you think you should be done.
If you are gonna talk the talk, than walk the walk.
Also...Bob, we should never have been in Vietnam to begin with.
Why do so many Americans have the gall to think WE are the answer to the entire worlds problems?
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AMonger
Veteran Expediter
"Let's you and him fight!"
JarHeadJon
Seasoned Expediter
AM,
My fighting days are behind me, seen enough to know there are no winners in any war/fight, only dead and wounded kids.