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ATeam

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There has been a development. The bond trump posted is not yet approved. The judge wants to hear from Carroll first. See his ruling here.
Notwithstanding the widespread inaccurate reporting, Trump has not "posted" bond. He has "proposed" a bond deal and it seems the parties will be talking that over in court on Monday.

Unless there is a specific reason to keep things under wraps, like in cases where certain things are sealed, bond info is public record. I'm looking forward to learning the details of the document Trump proposed.
 
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That linked page has disappeared from The Federalist's website ...

:joycat:

Federalist Faceplant Mollie's "story" is still online however.
Does it surprise you?
This is the kind of crap I've come to expect from The Federalist..
 
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Pilgrim

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Notwithstanding the widespread inaccurate reporting, Trump has not "posted" bond. He has "proposed" a bond deal and it seems the parties will be talking that over in court on Monday.

Unless there is a specific reason to keep things under wraps, like in cases where certain things are sealed, bond info is public record. I'm looking forward to learning the details of the document Trump proposed.
Sounds like standard procedural I-dotting. Also semantic nit-picking. It's also unlikely that every major news organization in the world is "inaccurate". The bond is not in doubt.

This from CBS:
"Former President Donald Trump deposited a bond of more than $91 million on Friday to appeal..."


Also from CNN:

There are countless others who report the same thing. Trump will be able to move forward with his appeal.
 

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Sounds like standard procedural I-dotting. Also semantic nit-picking.
Trump can move ahead with his appeal with or without a bond. The bond forestalls enforcement of the judgement until Trump's appeals are exhausted. The bond, backed by the Chubb insurance company is not in doubt, as you say. It exists. It is a real instrument.

What is in doubt is whether or not the judge will accept the terms of the bond. He made that clear in the ruling he issued Friday. He has not accepted the bond and he does not intend to do so until Carroll has had a chance to have her say about the bond's terms. He set a Monday morning deadline for that response, and if Carroll does respond, he will hold a hearing that afternoon to further talk things out.

I don't know what will happen on Monday. I do know the bond is not yet posted, and I know that is more than a
"semantic nit-picking" issue. The judge is not required to accept the bond as presented, and if he does not, that could be a disaster for Trump.

On the other hand, Carroll said she was pleased that a bond was proposed. Assuming the terms are acceptable to her, the bond saves Carroll's attorney the trouble of herself taking action to seize Trump's assets. With a bond posted, the bonding company will pay Carroll the millions in damages within 10 days of Trump exhausting his appeals; and there is nothing Trump can do to stop that. Trump thereupon becomes obligated to pay the bonding company the money the bonding company paid Carroll.

Unless sealed by the judge, the terms of bonds like this are public record. I'm looking forward to learning the terms Trump proposed.

The next thing to watch for is Carroll's response, if any, due Monday morning.
 
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Pilgrim

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Trump can move ahead with his appeal with or without a bond. The bond forestalls enforcement of the judgement until Trump's appeals are exhausted. The bond, backed by the Chubb insurance company is not in doubt, as you say. It exists. It is a real instrument.

What is in doubt is whether or not the judge will accept the terms of the bond.
This process is not like negotiating the sale of a house. The terms of surety bonds like these are set in stone by NY state law and the court. The notion that Trump's lawyers and a company the size of Chubb would try to haggle or try shady tactics with the state of NY is preposterous; so is the possibility that Carroll's attys will try to throw in some last minute conditions or demands. The terms have been met and the bond has been posted. It will be rubber-stamped by the court on Monday and Trump's appeal process will go forward.
 
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The notion that Trump's lawyers and a company the size of Chubb would try to haggle or try shady tactics with the state of NY is preposterous; so is the possibility that Carroll's attys will try to throw in some last minute conditions or demands. The terms have been met and the bond has been posted. It will be rubber-stamped by the court on Monday and Trump's appeal process will go forward.
If the bond was posted, we'd see that in the court record, along with the terms of the bond. The bond is not yet posted.

In any transaction Trump is involved with, especially one this large, the risk of him haggling and engaging in shady tactics is high. That's how he rolls. Even if the paperwork is iron-clad, Trump reneges. That's how he rolls. How many bankruptcies has he had? How many of his lawyers have unpaid bills? How many vendors has he left unpaid? How many lies does he tell in an average day? That's how he rolls.

I think one of the reasons Carroll is happy to see a bond is it takes Trump out of the game at a certain point. When he exhausts his appeals and ultimately loses the case, it will be Chubb's obligation to pay Carroll (assuming the bond is approved on Monday), and Trump cannot stop it. If that happens, the bond gives Chubb the right to come after Trump for the money. In that instance, Chubb can certainly count on Trump to promptly and cheerfully write a $91 million check, right?

As I said above, I never heard of an appeal bond before Trump's troubles showed up in the news. This is not my area of expertise and I don't
pretend it is. We'll find out in a matter of hours how negotiable or rubber stampish the bond in question is.

If you read the judge's actual order, which is just two paragraphs long, you will clearly see Trump has not posted bond. In the judge's own words, Trump has "... filed an application to approve a superseadeas bond in the amount of $91,630,000 ..."

And if you go on to read the judge's second paragraph, you will see he is leaving the door wide open for Carroll to oppose the ... "form, [and the] amount of the surety ..." The judge is also giving her the opportunity to comment about her consent to the relief sought by defendant's motion ..."

Clearly, the terms have not yet been met, and clearly, the bond has not yet been posted. That may happen Monday but it has not happened yet; at least if you are willing to take the judge at his word and recognize his order as a real court order.
 
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As the Atlanta case against Trump circles the drain, new revelations about the corruption and incompetence of Fani Willis seem to pop up every day. Now it turns out that the original phone call that she used as the basis for the entire case was illegally recorded. This comes concurrently with an investigation initiated by a GA Senate committee and an referral of Willis to the state Bar for ethics violations.

"For years, the media and other Democrats have held up Willis as a brilliant and credible prosecutor of Republicans. The new book suffers from poor timing, with Willis and her lover accused of perjury, subornation of perjury, bribery, and kickbacks related to the prosecution."



Liz has the receipts ...

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Carroll's Attorneys ask Judge to OK Trump's $91.6M Bond​

"Lawyers for former Elle magazine columnist E. Jean Carroll have requested that the judge in her defamation case against Donald Trump approve the $91,630,000 bond secured by the former president, subject to a small change in one of the terms." (Source)

The judge gave Carroll a chance to object, and she did object, "subject to a small change in one of the terms." So it seems getting this bond posted is not a rubber stamp exercise after all.

If the judge and Trump agree to Carroll's requested change in terms, it will be smooth sailing ahead for Carroll. Trump will appeal. Trump will lose. The bonding company will pay $91 million to Carroll.

The waters will become turbulent for Trump as he argues his weak appeal case, and when the bonding company comes after him for the $92 million.
 
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Yikes! Did Trump Defame Carroll Again?

These are not the actions of a rational man. They seem more like the actions of a man who hates his money and want's Carroll to have it.

Carroll's attorney responds:

"Carroll’s attorney quickly responded that they are closely monitoring Trump’s latest remarks about her — and suggested that a third defamation lawsuit could be in store for the former president."

 
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The Latest on the Carroll Defamation Case Bond

The actual terms of the bond are hard to come by at this early stage. We'll have to wait until documents are filed and then reported by the media to see the bond itself.

That said, it now appears the terms of the bond have been agreed to by Trump and Carroll. It remains for the judge to approve the bond and enter it into the record.

This Newsweek report is the most detailed news I have found regarding the terms.

"'While we did have one limited objection concerning the timing of payment to the bond that Defendant has posted in connection with his motion to stay enforcement of the judgment pending appeal, the parties have discussed the issue,' Roberta Kaplan, Carroll's lawyer, wrote.

"'As a result of those discussions, Federal Insurance Company has authorized and Defendant's counsel will agree to stipulate that the 30-day periods listed on page 3 of ECF Doc. 318-1 will be shortened to 15 days, both for the Principal and the Surety. This will have the effect of shortening the overall window to 30 days.''

"It means that if Trump loses his appeal, instead of having 30 days to send Carroll's payment plus an extra 30 days after a notice was sent, the former president will have just 30 days total to send Carroll's payment."
 
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As the Atlanta case against Trump circles the drain, new revelations about the corruption and incompetence of Fani Willis seem to pop up every day. Now it turns out that the original phone call that she used as the basis for the entire case was illegally recorded.



This was illegally obtained. Fruit of the poisonous tree.
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Bannon is Right: "Trump is Bought"

"Steve Bannon, the one-time adviser to Donald Trump, suggested on Saturday that the former president was paid off after a shift in stance on TikTok."

Bannon is talking about TikTok. Trump did the same flip-flop with Bud Light. When Budwiser held a fundraiser for Trump, Trump instantly reversed his position and started praising Bud Light.

Trump is Bought.

 
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Pilgrim

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This ABC News report sums up the closure of the Trump bond deal in a clear and concise manner. The Carroll attys confirm the bond and ask for a minor change in wording, all parties agree, and the judge puts a wet signature on the deal instead of a rubber stamp. Business as usual, and Trump haters curse in disbelief.

"Lawyers for former Elle magazine columnist E. Jean Carroll have requested that the judge in her defamation case against Donald Trump approve the $91,630,000 bond secured by the former president, subject to a small change in one of the terms.
The change reduces the amount of time between the resolution of Trump's appeal and Carroll's payment."


 
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ATeam

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This ABC News report sums up the closure of the Trump bond deal in a clear and concise manner. The Carroll attys confirm the bond and ask for a minor change in wording, all parties agree, and the judge puts a wet signature on the deal instead of a rubber stamp. Business as usual, and Trump haters curse in disbelief.
Do you see me cursing? Read my posts. I'm agreeing with Carroll that this is a good thing for her. It takes Trump out of the game when he loses his appeal. Carroll will receive the judgement award not from Trump but from the bonding company that guaranteed she will quickly get the full amount when Trump loses on appeal, as he lost in the lower court.
 
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