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Turtle

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Chris Cuomo again:
Chris Cuomo is not CNN. Has CNN engaged in a concerted shaming campaign to get congress to act? No. Have they acted as a wing of the democrats or taken their marching orders from the Hillary campaign? No.

Their news coverage on gun control is agendized, not merely biased. They want to get rid of guns, and their reporting and choice of stories on the subject clearly reflect as much. They only mention the Second Amendment in negative terms.

Their news coverage of Hillary and Trump shows a clear bias, but their news is not a propagandized agenda. CNN was not invented for, nor have they become, a surrogate mouthpiece for the democratic party or Hillary Clinton.

You can believe that any news organization with a bias therefor has an agenda and thus their news is agendized, but you would be incorrect in doing so. Agendized news is propaganda. CNN is not propaganda. They're biased, and they certainly have an agenda, but they aren't agendized.
 

JohnWC

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Chris Cuomo is not CNN. Has CNN engaged in a concerted shaming campaign to get congress to act? No. Have they acted as a wing of the democrats or taken their marching orders from the Hillary campaign? No.

Their news coverage on gun control is agendized, not merely biased. They want to get rid of guns, and their reporting and choice of stories on the subject clearly reflect as much. They only mention the Second Amendment in negative terms.

Their news coverage of Hillary and Trump shows a clear bias, but their news is not a propagandized agenda. CNN was not invented for, nor have they become, a surrogate mouthpiece for the democratic party or Hillary Clinton.

You can believe that any news organization with a bias therefor has an agenda and thus their news is agendized, but you would be incorrect in doing so. Agendized news is propaganda. CNN is not propaganda. They're biased, and they certainly have an agenda, but they aren't agendized.
Boy that's a lot of words bottom line Hillary can be bought and paid for so in turn the the big money meaning advising is telling them what to do
 

muttly

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Just because CNN began as news operation without an agenda, doesn't mean they haven't become one now. I'm not saying they are a propagandist news operation, but neither is Fox News. If Fox News was one, they wouldn't provide the other side in their news. They clearly do. They also wouldn't have Shepherd Smith bashing their supposed chosen candidate on his news show.
I don't know if CNN has received marching orders from the DNC,(I don't have access to the WikiLeaks file on them.)but a lot of the time it looks like they do.
 

Turtle

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Just because CNN began as news operation without an agenda, doesn't mean they haven't become one now.
No, it doesn't. Just the same, they haven't become one. CNN's agenda is exactly the same agenda as every other liberal MSM news outlet, that being they are favorable to liberal ideals and pursuits. That's a bias, not agendized news. CNN doesn't propagandized the liberal agenda the way Fox News propagandizes the Conservative agenda like. I know you want to lay down in aisle 3 and go, "WAAAA WAAAA WAAAA CNN is JUST AS BAD as Fox News! WAAAA WAAAA WAAAA! Stop picking on my Precious!" But that's just not the reality.

I'm not saying they are a propagandist news operation,
When you say they are "agendized," that's precisely what you are saying.

but neither is Fox News.
Fox News exists solely to propagandize the Conservative agenda. That's what they were invented for and is why they still exist. People who belive Fox News isn't agendized are the same people who genuinely belive Fox News is Fair and Balanced.

If Fox News was one, they wouldn't provide the other side in their news. They clearly do.
No they don't. Not in any kind of unimpassioned journalistic fashion. First of all, if they had any journalistic principles there wouldn't be another "side" to present. "Sides" only exist within political opinion. Second, the only time Fox News presents the "other side" is when they do it in bowling pin fashion, in order to knock it down by mocking, derision, or ridicule.

They also wouldn't have Shepherd Smith bashing their supposed chosen candidate on his news show.
You keep bringing up Shepherd Smith as if somehow citing the exception to the rule will somehow prove the rule. One, he doesn't stray from the Conservative agenda very far or very often. He doesn't bash Trump while praising and promoting Hillary. Two, Fox News' chosen candidate was Jeb Bush, and then Marco Rubio as backup. As an organization they have the same split on Trump as does the RNC and the beltway Republican elites.

I don't know if CNN has received marching orders from the DNC,(I don't have access to the WikiLeaks file on them.)but a lot of the time it looks like they do.
Of course it looks like they do. You see a bias from them that doesn't confirm your own bias, therefore since they aren't with you they are against you, and thus they must be on the actual roster of the other team.

The bottom line is Fox News is a propaganda machine and a joke, and the vast majority of the MSM is biased to the point of being absurdly unreliable and untrustworthy. It's pretty sad that if you want to get unbiased, unimpassioned news in this land where the free press and journalistic principles are invented, you need to look at Al Jazeera, RT, and the BBC for news.

But there are those who will continue to get their news from the broadcast networks, MSNBC, CNN, Fox News, The Daily Caller, Hot Air, Breitbart, Huffington Post, WaPo, and the NYT, and think of themselves as well informed, and worse, correct in the opinions they have been fed.
 

muttly

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I'm not on any team . That's funny right there. First of all Fox News isn't my precious. Your characterization about how I think about them way off the chart wrong. I already said they have an agenda and that they are biased. It's just stunning that you don't see the same in CNN. I really don't think you have observed them lately.They are more than just a bias left wing news operation now. That's exactly what CNN does. They'll have on the other side on and then ridicule them by having a loaded panel of guests that are liberal to one or two from the other side. None of them are propaganda news sites, but all have an agenda.
 

Turtle

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I'm not on any team . That's funny right there. First of all Fox News isn't my precious. Your characterization about how I think about them way off the chart wrong.
I just go by what you post. Whenever someone posts something negative about Fox News you rush to defend them, usually saying somewhere in there how they really and truly are fair and balanced and how they always present the other side. You also invariably note CNN does this or that which makes them as bad or worse than Fox News (blatant deflection). Then you feverishly Google confirmational bias that you think somehow proves your point. The Chris Wallace question is a prime example of that, where that question doesn't disprove or even cast the slightest doubt on Fox News being a propaganda machine. The question was insulting and racist, which is what Fox News is famous for.
It's just stunning that you don't see the same in CNN.
I suppose it is. Be that as it may, I took a lot of journalism courses in college and I know what I'm looking at. I can see the difference between a bias, even a strong one, and propaganda. Clearly those who think Fox News is fair and balanced and are to be trusted cannot.
I really don't think you have observed them lately.They are more than just a bias left wing news operation now.
I've watched them (and listened on SiriusXM) quite a bit lately. They are definitely more biased during this election cycle, as are nearly every other MSM news outlet, but they haven't gone beyond a strong bias to being agendized. I watch them specifically to look for bias and bad reporting, and frankly it's easier to sit there and note the non-biased reporting.

A glaring example of that, and one that comes perilously close to propaganda, is this morning's lead story about how Trump has given us "yet again another major shift in his immigration policy, completely different from what he said just last week!" Last week Trump said illegals would need to go back to their home country and apply like everybody else. Last night on the plane someone asked him if he would rule out the requirement that they go back home first and Trump responded that he wouldn't rule anything out, but went on to say that they'd still have to exit and apply. Which really isn't much of a shift at all. But CNN presented it as a major shift, playing the sound bite where he said he wouldn't rule it out, but conspicuously not playing the sound bite where he went on to say they'd still have to exit and apply for entry. But as close as that comes to propaganda, it's still just a strong bias.

Unfortunately for me, or maybe it's my own perception, but I seem to be catching an inordinate about of Don Lemon (who is "neither left or right, I'm just a journalist." No, seriously, he said that). I've watched him berate guests over them not agreeing with him, and not using the words he wants them to. He's one who needs his nose rubbed in his own poop.
 
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OntarioVanMan

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IMO...the exit and re enter will be changed to something like ...you have 1 year to apply and get your application in....anyone after that period will be escorted to the door...
 

Turtle

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Look at the scroll headline, though. "Trump pivots again on his immigration plan."

Except he didn't pivot at all.

Now that he's up in the polls, it's worth watching CNN very closely to see how hard they try and spin the truth.

I don't think anybody (except a few Latino activists) really took Trump seriously about mass deporting 11-13 million people. I do think he will handle the immigration problem in a very straightforward way without letting politics ruin things. He'll start by securing the border, then deport those who have been found guilty of crimes, then, like OVM suggests, everyone must register and apply for legal immigration, and those who fail will be deported. I think he will endorse profiling so that if the police pull someone over and the police think there is an immigration issue, the police can ask for a green card.
 
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OntarioVanMan

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He came out of the gate really strong on this issue....I think of this as more fine tuning as he is learning the political ropes as it be....since he is not a trained BSer....in the political sense....
 
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blackpup

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I am not sure , but I believe there were more than a few East German refugees . Even now North Koreans have successfully escaped from their country. The penalties for an unsuccessful escape attempt from either country , probably would have had dire consequences

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OntarioVanMan

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I think they can slow down the illegal crossers to a more manageable rate tho...People cross from Mexico all the time as Canadians cross every day.....but they have the required documentation....these illegals and quite a few from central America then Mexico itself....have no such documents....heck their village probably didn't even record the birth...thats the crew we are having to dealing with..undocumented entries....with todays technology an Electronic wall is not out of the question....
 
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