The Trump Card...

ATeam

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The fbi and doj don't want no special master to over see the evidence.....because then they can't go through it.
But you know 30 agents 9 hours......yup they went through everything.
In our small business, we have gradually moved from all-paper records to increasing use of electronic records. While we're not 100% there, I'm looking forward to the day when the business is a paperless operation. Until then, we produce, file and later archive paper records. Having been in business 8 years, my guess is we have about 15 banker boxes of paper records.

If we or someone else needed to investigate or find the answers to certain questions that those old and current records could answer, it would take a lot more than 270 man hours to do it (30 agents x 9 hours = 270 hours). And that assumes all 30 agents were actually reviewing the records. I presume some of those agents were providing security. Some were attorney's on hand to answer whatever questions came up. Some were videographers documenting the search. At lease one was a "safecracker." Some would have been supervisors.

It also assumes Trump's records were well organized, properly categorized and neatly filed. Information now surfacing suggests that is hardly the case. There is no way the search team could have gotten in and out as quickly as they did unless they (1) had an informant's help on the inside telling them exactly where to search at that massive estate, and (2) they took what the warrant allowed them to take to be immediately secured and reviewed later.
 

ATeam

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There were also no claims in the filing that "everything was declassified" from what I understand.

It's a little different when one is filing something in a Federal Court ... as opposed to just shooting one's mouth off on Social Media or on TV.

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Good points.
 
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danthewolf00

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The fact that the warrant gave them the power to grab anything near the files is what allowed the FBI to take anything they wanted.....that's very gray area for a warrant. To general for a warrant too.
 
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RLENT

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“Information now surfacing”. You mean the leaks from the DOJ to newspapers that they said they wouldn’t do?

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No - it was part of the affidavit for the search warrant ... which is now released:

The NARA Referral stated that according to NARA's White House Liaison Division Director, a preliminary review of the FIFTEEN BOXES indicated that they contained "newspapers, magazines, printed news articles, photos, miscellaneous print-outs, notes, presidential correspondence, personal and post- presidential records, and 'a lot of classified records.' Of most significant concern was that highly classified records were unfoldered, intermixed with other records, and otherwise unproperly [sic]identified."

Maybe you ... oh I dunno ... should actually read it ?

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ATeam

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It has been interesting to hear so many try to re-categorize or redefine this situation into something it isn't. In fact, this is a criminal investigation, long underway, that is developing a case and the evidence to support it.

As more becomes known, it is looking increasingly likely that Trump will be prosecuted for the crimes listed in the search warrant.

People can offer opinions all day long like this should be a civil action, the magistrate is conflicted, the warrant is overbroad, the motives of the DOJ are corrupt, the FBI is acting improperly, the process is flawed, the classified documents are not really classified, the documents seized should not have been seized, this is a Democratic plot; and on, and on, and on.

The unifying them of all this is that what is real (a real criminal investigation) is not real or should not be real.

But the real-world facts include:

(1) A criminal investigation is underway.
(2) The grand jury and courts have authorized certain investigative actions.
(3) Trump's home and offices were actually searched (an unprecedented big, big deal, not casually considered by the DOJ).
(4) Evidence of crimes mentioned in the search warrant was actually found and seized.
(5) A "significant number of civilian witnesses" are cooperating with investigators.
(5) Trump's legal responses to date have been 100% ineffective.

It is also a fact that you can spew all the influencer tweets you want. Those too have been ineffective in slowing or stopping items 1-5 above.
 
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ATeam

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The fact that the warrant gave them the power to grab anything near the files is what allowed the FBI to take anything they wanted.....that's very gray area for a warrant. To general for a warrant too.
Let's not forget that had Trump returned the documents when the National Archives asked him to do so months ago, no search would have been necessary or done. But Trump did not return the documents, did he?
 

ATeam

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The fact that the warrant gave them the power to grab anything near the files is what allowed the FBI to take anything they wanted.....that's very gray area for a warrant. To general for a warrant too.
Then why is Trump not making that point in court? His conservative, Florida, Trump-appointed judge of choice is giving him every opportunity to do so but Trump is silent on the point you raise.
 

muttly

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People can offer opinions all day long like this should be a civil action, the magistrate is conflicted, the warrant is overbroad, the motives of the DOJ are corrupt, the FBI is acting improperly, the process is flawed, the classified documents are not really classified, the documents seized should not have been seized, this is a Democratic plot; and on, and on, and on.

The unifying them of all this is that what is real (a real criminal investigation) is not real or should not be real.
Pretty much sums it up. All true.
 
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