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Windsor

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And you are right that ppl who disrupt a rally deserve a reaction but I don't think they deserve like you said "what ever reaction they get" like the guy who was being thrown out (and he should have been) and as he was walking up the stairs tawards the exit and got punched in the side of the face. Then the trump supporter says on camera that if he's sees the guy again he's going to kill him. I only hear you guys talking about the protesters and not the folks being violent TO the protesters. Their both wrong. When trump is telling ppl at a rally to punch someone in the face and he'll pay their legal fees protesters and rally goers alike are going to get riled up. That's just how it is.
 

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Then the trump supporter says on camera that if he's sees the guy again he's going to kill him.
First... If you're gonna get all riled up about something, it might as well be about the truth, right? The Trump supporter did NOT say that if he's sees the guy again he's going to kill him (which is a specific threat, and a felony). The guy who was sucker punched, Rakeem Jones, stated that he and four of his friends - a “diverse” group that included two black men (including Jones), a white woman, a Muslim, and a third black man, a gay man - had gone to the rally as a “social experiment.” He said the woman with them first started the shouting once Trump’s speech began, and he and the other quickly joined in to see what kind of reactions they could get from Trump and the crowd.

They were shouting obscenities at Trump and at the crowd. Things like "F Trump" and "Trump ain't s**t", "You ain't s**t", and the ever popular "F YOU!" among many others. That's why they were being escorted out by the Sheriff's deputies. On their way out, just as he reached the sucker puncher, he turned around and gave the finger to the crowd and cut loose one last "F YOU!" That's when 78-year-old John McGraw gave Jones an elbow to the side of the head.

When a Cracker Jack reporter on the scene asked McGraw if he liked the event, to which McGraw replied, "You bet I liked it." The reporter followed up with, "Yeah? What did you like about it?" McGraw replied, "Knocking the Hell outta that big mouth."

When asked if he knew who the man was, McGraw replied, "We don't know who he is, but he's not acting like an American." Then, after a video cut, we hear Mr Cracker Jack ask, "So he deserved it?" To which McGraw replies, "Ever bit of it." Then, "What was that?" the reporter asked, and McGraw reiterated, "Yes he deserved it. The next time we see him we might have to kill him..." and that's where the audio, and usually the video, gets cut, as if McGraw had a period after "him."

But what he says is, "The next time we see him we might have to kill him, we don't know who he is, he might be with a terrorist organization. ISIS? I don't know."

So, "The next time we see him we might have to kill him [becasue] we don't know who he is, he might be with a terrorist organization," is a VERY different statement from "If I see the guy again I'm going to kill him."

People are responsible for their own actions (well, except liberals, they can always blame someone else), and McGraw was arrested and charged, just as he should have been. I still maintain that if you go someplace as an antagonizer specifically to antagonize others explicitly to provoke a reaction, you deserve whatever reaction you have risked in provoking.

In response to the incident, the person many people want to be the next President, Hillary Clinton, in fine Constitutionally ignorant and liberal blame-someone-else fashion stated, "You know, you don't make America great by, you know, dumping on everything that made America great, like freedom of speech and assembly and, you know, the right of people to protest."

She actually thinks Trump is to blame for the protester's actions, not the protesters themselves, and she thinks the right of free speech, and the right of assembly, and the right to protest, extends into a private venue.

Obama was speaking at a White House event honoring LGBT Pride Month last year and had a protester (a trangender Latina) start yelling at him about something or another. He scolded her with, "You're in my house, it's disrespecfull, shame on you. You don't come into a place invited and..." She kept on, the assembled crowd drowned her out with chants of "Oh-Bah-Mah, Oh-Bah-Mah" and he had security kick her out.

Hillary didn't say a word. Not about freedom of speech. Not about freedom to protest. Nothing.
 
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Just watched the last debate. Looks like the attacking phase is over, at least for this debate. It was almost a snoozer with no little Marco and lying Ted comments lol. Was actually pretty weird seeing them act so well Behaved, and not interrupting each other every minute. Ratings will probably drop
 

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Just watched the last debate. Looks like the attacking phase is over, at least for this debate. It was almost a snoozer with no little Marco and lying Ted comments lol. Was actually pretty weird seeing them act so well Behaved, and not interrupting each other every minute. Ratings will probably drop


Yep. Although it is back. Seen a clip from Trump at a rally I think in Kansas City. He mentioned "Little Marco" and "Lying Ted".
 

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Just watched the last debate. Looks like the attacking phase is over, at least for this debate. It was almost a snoozer with no little Marco and lying Ted comments lol. Was actually pretty weird seeing them act so well Behaved, and not interrupting each other every minute. Ratings will probably drop
In some ways it was a snoozer, but in other ways it was far more informative. You could also see them shaking their heads in agreement with what the the third one was saying at times. I liked a few of Rubio's comments. While I don't entirely agree with his premise that climate change can't be affected by people, I really liked his answers about the silliness of passing laws that won't affect the weather.
 
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Even though I am all in for Trump, I really do like Kasich a lot, and hope he takes Ohio. How messed up it that? o_O
 

Windsor

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First... If you're gonna get all riled up about something, it might as well be about the truth, right? The Trump supporter did NOT say that if he's sees the guy again he's going to kill him (which is a specific threat, and a felony). The guy who was sucker punched, Rakeem Jones, stated that he and four of his friends - a “diverse” group that included two black men (including Jones), a white woman, a Muslim, and a third black man, a gay man - had gone to the rally as a “social experiment.” He said the woman with them first started the shouting once Trump’s speech began, and he and the other quickly joined in to see what kind of reactions they could get from Trump and the crowd.

They were shouting obscenities at Trump and at the crowd. Things like "F Trump" and "Trump ain't s**t", "You ain't s**t", and the ever popular "F YOU!" among many others. That's why they were being escorted out by the Sheriff's deputies. On their way out, just as he reached the sucker puncher, he turned around and gave the finger to the crown and cut loose one last "F YOU!" That's when 78-year-old John McGraw gave Jones an elbow to the side of the head.

When a Cracker Jack reporter on the scene asked McGraw if he liked the event, to which McGraw replied, "You bet I liked it." The reporter followed up with, "Yeah? What did you like about it?" McGraw replied, "Knocking the Hell outta that big mouth."

When asked if he knew who the man was, McGraw replied, "We don't know who he is, but he's not acting like an American." Then, after a video cut, we hear Mr Cracker Jack ask, "So he deserved it?" To which McGraw replies, "Ever bit of it." Then, "What was that?" the reporter asked, and McGraw reiterated, "Yes he deserved it. The next time we see him we might have to kill him..." and that's where the audio, and usually the video, gets cut, as if McGraw had a period after "him."

But what he says is, "The next time we see him we might have to kill him, we don't know who he is, he might be with a terrorist organization. ISIS? I don't know."

So, "The next time we see him we might have to kill him [becasue] we don't know who he is, he might be with a terrorist organization," is a VERY different statement from "If I see the guy again I'm going to kill him."

People are responsible for their own actions (well, except liberals, they can always blame someone else), and McGraw was arrested and charged, just as he should have been. I still maintain that if you go someplace as an antagonizer specifically to antagonize others explicitly to provoke a reaction, you deserve whatever reaction you have risked in provoking.

In response to the incident, the person many people want to be the next President, Hillary Clinton, in fine Constitutionally ignorant and liberal blame-someone-else fashion stated, "You know, you don't make America great by, you know, dumping on everything that made America great, like freedom of speech and assembly and, you know, the right of people to protest."

She actually thinks Trump is to blame for the protester's actions, not the protesters themselves, and she thinks the right of free speech, and the right of assembly, and the right to protest, extends into a private venue.

Obama was speaking at a White House event honoring LGBT Pride Month last year and had a protester (a trangender Latina) start yelling at him about something or another. He scolded her with, "You're in my house, it's disrespecfull, shame on you. You don't come into a place invited and..." She kept on, the assembled crowd drowned her out with chants of "Oh-Bah-Mah, Oh-Bah-Mah" and he had security kick her out.

Hillary didn't say a word. Not about freedom of speech. Not about freedom to protest. Nothing.
So......hypothetically I can punch you in the face then say "hey you might be in Isis and next time I may have to kill you" lmao if you say so. Or how about the protester is a complete jackass and so is the man who punched him when he wasn't threatened in any way.
 

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Biggest problem with Kasich is he can't really win anywhere except maybe Ohio.
 

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So......hypothetically I can punch you in the face then say "hey you might be in Isis and next time I may have to kill you" lmao if you say so. Or how about the protester is a complete jackass and so is the man who punched him when he wasn't threatened in any way.


All ends with the protester who wasn't suppose to be there in the first place. The guy that punched him is kind of irrelevant.
 

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Yep. Although it is back. Seen a clip from Trump at a rally I think in Kansas City. He mentioned "Little Marco" and "Lying Ted".
It might be because Rubio and Cruz threw him under the bus a bit by blaming him for the unrest at his rallies.
 

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So......hypothetically I can punch you in the face then say "hey you might be in Isis and next time I may have to kill you" lmao if you say so.
Well, hypothetically, sure, you could do that. But that wouldn't be the same as the McGraw Incident. McGraw's entire "next time we see him we might have to kill him" statement was predicated on the context of "we don't know who he is" and he might be a terrorist, so if he is a terrorist and if we see him again we might have to kill him. There ya go.

Or how about the protester is a complete jackass and so is the man who punched him when he wasn't threatened in any way.
The protester was indeed a complete jackass, and so were his conspirators. While McGraw shouldn't have punched Jones, I don't know if you can go as far as saying McGraw was also a complete jackass, as he was, in fact, provoked. I seriously doubt that if Jones were there supporting Trump, that McGraw would have hit him.
 

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It might be because Rubio and Cruz threw him under the bus a bit by blaming him for the unrest at his rallies.

Without a doubt. He doesn't say much about Kasich because he hasn't joined in the attacks. If the madness keeps up at his events, have to wonder if he starts looking to see who is sending them in. Look for protesters to show up at democrat events if it continues. There will be a show under every circus tent. Based on past events, Trump is the guy that would pull it off and win.
 

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All ends with the protester who wasn't suppose to be there in the first place. The guy that punched him is kind of irrelevant.
Evidently you haven't been punched in the face like that. I have, many times. Lol the guys who did it didn't seem irrelevant to me.
 

Windsor

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Well, hypothetically, sure, you could do that. But that wouldn't be the same as the McGraw Incident. McGraw's entire "next time we see him we might have to kill him" statement was predicated on the context of "we don't know who he is" and he might be a terrorist, so if he is a terrorist and if we see him again we might have to kill him. There ya go.

The protester was indeed a complete jackass, and so were his conspirators. While McGraw shouldn't have punched Jones, I don't know if you can go as far as saying McGraw was also a complete jackass, as he was, in fact, provoked. I seriously doubt that if Jones were there supporting Trump, that McGraw would have hit him.
Wow!
 

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Biggest problem with Kasich is he can't really win anywhere except maybe Ohio.
I think Kasich would make a pretty good president. The problem is he's unelectable on a national level. He might not even win his own state. Rubio is bought and paid for and will do whatever he's told (if you look deep into his funding and why he's voted on certain things, it's scary). Cruz is a televangelist. Bernie is a zealot and Hillary is divisive, corrupt and dangerous. That leaves Trump.

Without a doubt. He doesn't say much about Kasich because he hasn't joined in the attacks. If the madness keeps up at his events, have to wonder if he starts looking to see who is sending them in. Look for protesters to show up at democrat events if it continues. There will be a show under every circus tent. Based on past events, Trump is the guy that would pull it off and win.
I think there will be at least one Trump rally where Trump and everyone else just sits there quietly and waits for the protesters to finish or be removed by security. Kind of a "don't feed the trolls" tactic.
 

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I think Kasich would make a pretty good president. The problem is he's unelectable on a national level. He might not even win his own state. Rubio is bought and paid for and will do whatever he's told (if you look deep into his funding and why he's voted on certain things, it's scary). Cruz is a televangelist. Bernie is a zealot and Hillary is divisive, corrupt and dangerous. That leaves Trump.

I think there will be at least one Trump rally where Trump and everyone else just sits there quietly and waits for the protesters to finish or be removed by security. Kind of a "don't feed the trolls" tactic.


Think you just explained Trump's popularity.
 

Pilgrim

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My guess is that even though he didn't intend for this course of events to happen, Trump is loving every minute of it and is thinking he couldn't have planned it better. The press coverage is wall-to-wall and these liberal anarchists are looking like violent, ignorant fools - think Democrat convention in 1968. People - mainly moderates - who might never have supported Trump will now vote for him because he becomes a sympathetic figure who is being denied his 1st amendment rights by radical left-wingers. In the meantime, his Republican opponents are drowned out by the media coverage of the chaos at his events.
 

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... People - mainly moderates - who might never have supported Trump will now vote for him because he becomes a sympathetic figure who is being denied his 1st amendment rights by radical left-wingers. In the meantime, his Republican opponents are drowned out by the media coverage of the chaos at his events.
Too bad you don't get the local Ohio tv news coverage.

Among the protestors in Cleveland were a number of moderate Republicans who had come out.

One guy (white, clean-cut) that was interviewed had his two kids with him ... said that Trump stood as an example of everything that he was trying to teach his kids not to be or do. Similar reactions from others.

As far as Trump being a sympathetic figure, I wouldn't get my hopes up too high if I were you.

Gallup: Trump Highest Unfavorable Rating Ever Recorded - Conservative Review


As was noted earlier, when people do things which are intended to provoke a reaction, they often don't get much sympathy when said reaction comes ...

That has a tendency to cut both ways, as it were.
 
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