The Trump Card...

[danthewolf00]

If Republicans/trumpers really did insurrection you wouldn't have Biden in office right now.....you know tree of liberty stuff and all that.

 

[danthewolf00]

Funny thing is it's been 7 months and not one peep on his name but a cop in ohio is plastered all over the news for killing a black knife welding teen......said teen was shot only after she went to stab another teen...
But shoot a unarmed white woman and silence.....even with a lawsuit.
Oh and we still don't know who the whistleblower was in the Muller investigation.....so much for being transparent

 

[muttly]

For illustration purposes he is using this to highlight the fallacy of lentil's argument. You have an unarmed woman killed for being in a restricted area, yet rioters don't listen to officers commands and assault them frequently without encountering deadly force. Because it's not acceptable in this country to shoot violent protesters.
But all you get is a face palm and crickets.

 

[RLENT]

The only thing you are normalizing is an acceptance of shooting an unarmed protester.

Nope.

You keep trying to (mis) characterize her as an "unarmed protester"

She wasn't - she was a member of a violent mob - not some innocent bystander aimlessly wandering the halls of the Capitol - that was involved in a riot, in an attempt to disrupt/delay/stop the Constitutionally-mandated process for the peaceful transfer of power after an election.

Her actions - along with many others that day - were un-American.

Please tell how many code pink protesters that go into restricted ares and interrupt proceedings are shot? None. Because it would be unacceptable.

Show me how many Code Pink members are involved in a riot by a violent mob.

Willful ignoring of the differences (by the attempt to equate Code Pink members with the January 6th rioters) shows just how pitiful and pathetic that argument actually is.

That is also why rioters that chuck bricks and other potentially dangerous items at offiers aren't shot.

Whether use of deadly force is justified is always dependent on the particular circumstances involved in given incident.

Should you shoot someone breaching the U.S. Capitol?

This job has never been easy when it comes to making deadly force decisions in the moment. The second-guessing is easy. It’s also arrogant and presumptuous.

It’s usually done with malicious bias, self-righteousness and complete ignorance of the deadly realities and immense complexities of these situations. It also totally disregards the humanity of the officers involved and the emotional, psychological and often legal aftermath they face. For doing their jobs. For protecting others.

What happened at the Capitol a few days ago is mind-boggling on so many levels. It was an embarrassment to the country and what we stand for. It was unnecessary. It was egregious.

Because in this country it is highly frowned upon to use deadly force on protesters and rioters.

On protesters certainly.

On rioters, depends on the circumstances and what the rioters were specifically doing I'd say.

So glad you're able to buy hook line and sinker what ever apparent "investigations" yielded and found zero wrongdoing by the ridiculously absurd use of lethal force by the officer on the unarmed protester.

You don't want me buying in, then folks shouldn't commit the kinds of crimes those folks were involved in.

That mob was a potentially lethal threat to our elected officials.

His name wasn't even officially released, nor drug test, and background. But in your view, hey whatever they come up with is just peachy because she was a Trump supporter.

No - I am simply inclined to believe what my eyes and ears have heard and seen - from numerous videos taken by independent media - of what took place that day.

What they (the PTB) "came up with" is entirely plausible from where I'm sitting.

Just call someone an insurectionist or DT without evidence,. and then they can justify in their mind that she deserved it.

There's plenty of evidence.

That it exists doesn't mean however that you would accept it (as evidenced by the numerous rejections thus far) - or that you wouldn't attempt to downplay, justify, or excuse it (also as evidenced numerous times)

 

[danthewolf00]

There is still 14,000 hours of video the Capitol police have not released for public view.....

 

[danthewolf00]

Awful hard to harm someone if your unarmed.....and climbing through a window....she could have been tazerd and handcuffed....but shooting someone while they climbed through a window is excessive force....

 

[RLENT]

For illustration purposes he is using this to highlight the fallacy of lentil's argument.

Yeah ... good luck with that ...

You have an unarmed woman killed for being in a restricted area,

But that wasn't why she was shot.

She was shot because she:

1. failed to heed lawful commands of a law enforcement officer (remember Mr. Barani's testimony in the video I posted ?) charged with defending the persons of our elected officials.

2. she was part of a violent mob of rioters who largely couldn't be reasoned with, who appeared (according to the very words of many of them) to intent on harming or even killing the persons of our elected officials. They had murder in their hearts.

That's pretty bad company to keep.

If you don't believe me, just ask the guys that were planning to kidnap your governor and try and then execute her.

3. the officer made the judgement that she (and the mob she was with) posed the type of threat that warranted the force that he used.

That's why she was shot.

Keep working on this - you might eventually be able make a case - without ignoring and/or conflating/simplifying the totality of the circumstances to reduce it down to a simplistic idiocy, while gratuitously leaving out certain #peskyfacts you find it inconvenient to have to deal with.

Maybe ... in another couple hundred years.

... if you are lucky.

yet rioters don't listen to officers commands and assault them frequently without encountering deadly force.

It's kinda been a mixed bag throughout US history:

List of incidents of civil unrest in the United States

Because it's not acceptable in this country to shoot violent protesters.

The guy you voted for (presumably twice) thinks it's perfectly fine to use violence on protesters, probably the more violent the better.

Now, you're all butt hurt cause chickens came home to roost.

Frankly, the domestic terrorists that assaulted the Capitol that day should consider themselves very lucky indeed that they are still able to draw a breath.

Could have been way worse than it was.

But all you get is a face palm and crickets.

I assume you meant "got" ...

 

[RLENT]

There is still 14,000 hours of video the Capitol police have not released for public view.....

Patience Grasshopper.

The investigations are still ongoing, and arrests are still being made.

So far I think that there only have been around 530 - 550 arrests made.

There had been over 1000 perps identified ... that was back on March 7th ...

No idea what the current figure is.

So it's going to take a while before they are all rounded up.

But they will be:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1413242464211714056

"The mission in this case is to charge every person possible," said Schneider.

 

[RLENT]

Awful hard to harm someone if your unarmed.....and climbing through a window....she could have been tazerd and handcuffed....but shooting someone while they climbed through a window is excessive force....

It wasn't judged to be so by those whose responsibility it was to make the judgement.

Totality of the circumstances.

 

[muttly]

#hooklineandsinker

 

[RLENT]

#hooklineandsinker

I drink #weaksaucefrominsurrectionsympathizers for breakfast ...

 

[RLENT]

If Republicans/trumpers really did insurrection you wouldn't have Biden in office right now.....you know tree of liberty stuff and all that.

No.

Clearly, the followers of Trump who were insurrectionists are just as incompetent as he is.

 

[danthewolf00]

Lol you think so......the Democrats got so scared they put up a 8 foot fence and concrete barriers around the Capitol building along with 25,000 national guard......and the way the national guard were treated by those in charge well.....

 

[muttly]

I drink #weaksaucefrominsurrectionsympathizers for breakfast ...

#somethinkicecreamsundaesarerectinists

 

[muttly]

It wasn't judged to be so by those whose responsibility it was to make the judgement.

Totality of the circumstances.

That is the problem. The ones judging aren't responsibly making proper judgement.

 

[RLENT]

That is the problem. The ones judging aren't responsibly making proper judgement.

Please share with us your relevant experience and expertise that qualifies you to render that judgement.

I'll wait.

 

[Turtle]

Please share with us your relevant experience and expertise that qualifies you to render that judgement.

I'll wait.

One, please don't try and hijack the thread to make it about an individual member.

Two, one doesn't need relevant experience or expertise to render an opinion. Heck, we even have people here who can read minds and know what's in people's hearts.

 

[muttly]

Please share with us your relevant experience and expertise that qualifies you to render that judgement.

I'll wait.

Basically just observations and how the PTB handle similar events. Is it equal or is there a gulf difference? My opinion is it's to the latter.

 

[danthewolf00]

I know several former police and my sister is a former cop in Michigan.....all of them said it was extreme excessive force to shoot someone who is unarmed and climbing through a window....why wasn't pepper spray or tazer deployed was the biggest question in their minds.

 

[RLENT]

Two, one doesn't need relevant experience or expertise to render an opinion.

Clearly not.

I know several former police and my sister is a former cop in Michigan.....all of them said it was extreme excessive force to shoot someone who is unarmed and climbing through a window....why wasn't pepper spray or tazer deployed was the biggest question in their minds.

Did the officer have either of those available ?