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Ragman

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muttly

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You don't even have to count those laws that were broken. What about weapons violations
How about this one? Punishable up to 5 years in prison.

 

RLENT

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You don't even have to count those laws that were broken.

Not clear that any were.

What about weapons violations
How about this one? Punishable up to 5 years in prison.


Depends ... probably on whether he was still using or addicted at the time he applied for the background check, given the way the question is phrased in the article.

That's why the article says he may have.

You seem to treat it as a foregone conclusion that he did.

That's not clear from what I can see.
 
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Interesting info about what his lawyer had to say about his claim that he gave verbal commands prior to the shooting.
Officer needs to show proper judgement and have a reasonable expectation that the victim can hear his verbal commands prior to using deadly force.
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RLENT

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Interesting info about what his lawyer had to say about his claim that he gave verbal commands prior to the shooting.

Interesting only in that it appears to be accurate ... unlike your rendition, which was that he didn't issue any commands.

:tearsofjoy:

Officer needs to show proper judgement and have a reasonable expectation that the victim can hear his verbal commands prior to using deadly force.

Just because a recording device - in a different location than who commands were being directed at - doesn't pick something up, doesn't mean that the person they are directed to can't hear them.

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muttly

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Interesting only in that it appears to be accurate ... unlike your rendition, which was that he didn't issue any commands.

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Just because a recording device - in a different location than who commands were being directed at - doesn't pick something up, doesn't mean that the person they are directed to can't hear them.

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That's his and the officer's account that he did give a command. The lawyer continued on though explaining why no one on the other side of the glass could hear him: 1. The glass barrier, 2 many people yelling and making a lot of noise. 3. He had a mask on which would muzzle the sound and articulation of any supposed command. I previously mentioned all three of these issues. But regarding the recording device, the location of it was near the victim and it would AMPLiFY the sounds including the supposed officers command, yet NO officer commands could be heard on the video.
 
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RLENT

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That's his and the officer's account that he did give a command.

Not only was it his and the officer's account, but it was also attested to by other officers and witnesses who were there.

The lawyer continued on though explaining why no one on the other side of the glass could hear him:

That isn't what he explained at all - that's merely your own concoction of what you wish he said ... based on what he really said:

Schamel explained the lieutenant's commands were not picked up on the video because it was recorded on the other side of the doors where dozens of rioters were shouting and banging against the doors and drowning out his words. And he said his client could not be seen yelling out the instructions because his mouth was covered by a mask he wore as part of COVID-19 protections.

Nothing whatsoever "explaining why no one on the other side of the glass could hear him" ...

Try harder ... and do better.

But regarding the recording device, the location of it was near the victim and it would AMPLiFY the sounds including the supposed officers command, yet NO officer commands could be heard on the video.

Not necessarily.

It would depend on whether there were any intervening barriers between the mic (of the recording device) and the officer, and - depending on the type of mic on the recording device - whether the mic was capable of picking up sound in more than one direction (other than the direction the recording device was pointed)

Unidirectional vs. Omnidirectional Microphones - What's the difference?
 
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