The Trump Card...

[Turtle]

You believe that she misspoke and if so YOU may be correct.

Well, that was my opinion at the time, based on the information available to me at that time. I even outlined my reasoning for having that opinion. But my opinion that she simply misspoke, as many others have done in the past, has changed to that of her being ignorant and incompetent.

Ignorance I can forgive. Everybody is ignorant about everything, until they learn about it. What's harder to forgive is the incompetence. If you're going to act as an official spokesman, then you need to speak about things you KNOW about, not about things with which you are vaguely familiar and speak of them in terms of authority. It's clear that she didn't do any homework on the Bowling Green issue, and instead relied on education-by-osmosis, where she heard bits and pieces and filled in the blanks logically. Here's what she said to Cosmopolitan magazine on why former president Barack Obama halted refugees from Iraq in 2011:

"He did that because two Iraqi nationals came to this country, joined ISIS, traveled back to the Middle East to get trained and refine their terrorism skills and come back here, and were the masterminds behind the Bowling Green massacre of taking innocent soldiers' lives away."

Well that's just retarded. Re-Tar-Ded. It's a convoluted mish-mash of a mess of facts and fill-ins that don't even make sense. But she believed it, because she again said the same thing to a TMZ reporter later the same day. Then repeated it a few days later to MSNBC's Chris Matthews. Since the hard-hitting, Cracker Jack News Team of Cosmopolitan and TMZ didn't question her on it, there was no real reason for her to pull back from that with Matthews, since she still believed it to be accurate.

What really happened was, two men who were al-Qaeda terrorists in Iraq who carried out insurgent terrorists activities in Iraq against US solders and then came to the US under the refugee program after Democrats put pressure on the Obama administration to relax vetting procedures to speed up Iraqi War refugee entry, were caught in a surveillance sting (after the State Department and Homeland realized these two had slipped through the cracks) and admitted using improvised explosive devices (IEDs) against U.S. soldiers in Iraq, They also got caught attempting to send weapons and money to al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) for the purpose of killing U.S. soldiers. That forced Obama to have the State Department stop processing applications from Iraqis seeking refugee status in the U.S. for six months, and caused the FBI to assign hundreds of specialists to review fingerprints on IEDs and cross-reference them with the database of Iraqi refugees living in the U.S.

There have been people who came here, went back to the Middle East to get terrorism training, and then come back here and engaged in terrorism (Boston Bombers, for example), but not these two in Bowling Green. She she confused coming here and sending money and weapons back to Iraq with the men themselves moving back and forth, and she somehow confused innocent soldier's being killed by IEDs in Iraq with the fact that Bowling Green is here in the US.

So instead of fully informing herself on an issue, she picked it up with the news on in the background as she was making school lunches and changing diapers. Understandable, but not really excusable. But no, I don't think she fabricated an intentional lie with the intent to deceive. I tend to base my opinions less on gut feeling and emotions and instead go with available information, logic and reason. You have a different opinion, and that's fine.

One thing to note, however, is that a Bowling Green Massacre did, indeed happen. It took place in Columbus, OH, however, on Saturday September 3, 2016, when The Ohio State University Buckeyes massacred the Bowling Green State University Falcons 77-10 in the opening game of the season. That was brutal.

 

[Grizzly]

Trump bows to Russia again: Max Boot

You can all make your own list of people or groups of people Trump has bashed. The list is extensively long & diverse. Why is Putin off limits? Why does this anomaly exist? Does Trump really think Putin is gonna fall for some good cop, bad cop routine? I find it disturbing.

 

[Turtle]

“It’s gotten to a point where it’s not even being reported. And in many cases the very, very dishonest press doesn’t want to report it. They have their reasons, and you understand that,”

I know that many news outlets shape their news to fit their agenda, I wish they didn't - but - that's life. One thing they all have in common is the desire to get a story, a juicy one, and, be the first one out with it. "The Scoop" is the dream in Journalism, always has been, always will be. So, when President Trump makes the above statement about the press not reporting terrorism I have to ask, Is HE lying or if he believes this to be true, and just misspoke, then I also have to ask, does he have both feet anchored in reality?

Well, terrorism happens every day somewhere in the world, with literally dozens of attacks around the globe each day. The University of Maryland has a Global Terrorism Database that makes that pretty clear. It's impossible for the US media, or any other mass media, to cover each and every one of those. The big attacks get plenty of coverage, the little ones, not so much. The media wouldn't have the space left for any other news if they did.

The meaning of Trump's statement isn't really very clear, although it probably is to those who want to take it at face value (his haters in the press, for sure). But I don't think he's talking about a Paris or Brussels type of terrorist attack not being reported. Nor is he talking about the little incidents that happen in the small villages of the mountains of far-away Afghanistan. I think he's talking about the tendency of the media (and politicians including but not limited to Obama) being been very hesitant and slow to describe terrorist attacks as being motivated by radical Islam. They tend to be very quick, however, to come up with other explanations and possible explanations for those attacks. And they're even more hesitant to acknowledge that there is any relationship at all between radical Islamism and Islam itself, because, after all, I mean, c'mon, Islam is a religion of peace, everybody knows that.

Like, the press will pound the whole "workplace violence" narrative until they have no choice but to scream "uncle," like they did with the San Bernadino shooting. Or the Ft Hood shooting when, for years, Obama described it "workplace violence" despite clear evidence to the contrary, and that's exactly how the press reported it, despite the same evidence. Obama even insisted that Nidal Hasan, the shooter, be prosecuted for workplace violence, which he was. Because of that, the press still continue to report that he killed 13 people and injured more than 30 in an incident of workplace violence, despite Hasan's own words to the contrary, and despite his official petition to become a citizen of the Islamic State.

Obama called the shooting in Paris at that Jewish kosher grocery store a "random act of violence," and that's how the press (in the US) reported it, despite new outlets in Europe reporting it as terrorism, which it was. Ismaayil Brinsley, a radical Muslim, posted on his Facebook and Twitter accounts his intention to launch jihad against the infidels at the NYC Police Department, which he then carried out when he ambushed and killed two cops in Brooklyn in 2014. Even after the police and Homeland characterized it as terrorism, the politicians were hesitant, and the press went ahead with their narrative of him being mentally unstable with his own personal demons and life misfortunes, as if somehow he wasn't really even to blame. Alton Nolen of Norman, OK had recently converted to Islam, and his phone and laptop showed he spent a lot of time on ISIS and other radical Islamic sites. He tried to convince his co-workers at the Vaughan Foods plant in which he worked to also covert to Islam, and got angry when they refused. He got even angrier when they refused to call him Muhammad. He left work, then returned a little while later with a knife, and stabbed one person and beheaded another. The press? Workplace violence.

So, yeah, the press doesn't want to report it (as radical Islamic terrorism) and often take great pains not to. In many cases they go ahead and report it as something other than Islamic terrorism.

Again, this is my opinion and this is the soapbox, I am not claiming to be smarter than anyone else or that anyone else is wrong. President Trump just plain scares me.

"The only thing we have to fear other than Donald Trump is fear itself." - FDR

 

[Turtle]

Why is Putin off limits? Why does this anomaly exist? Does Trump really think Putin is gonna fall for some good cop,

Putin is only off-limits as long as Putin doesn't criticize Trump. Trump doesn't attack, he counter-punches. Right after Trump won the election, he first spoke to the world leaders who hadn't criticized him. He took his sweet time in speaking with British Prime Minister Therese May because she called him "divisive, unhelpful and wrong." Because Trump hasn't been attacked by Putin, Trump won't let his critics prod him into attacking Putin. But Russia and Putin don't believe their own propaganda, and know that if they cross Trump he'll react accordingly.

 

[Worn Out Manager]

Well, terrorism happens every day somewhere in the world, with literally dozens of attacks around the globe each day. The University of Maryland has a Global Terrorism Database that makes that pretty clear. It's impossible for the US media, or any other mass media, to cover each and every one of those. The big attacks get plenty of coverage, the little ones, not so much. The media wouldn't have the space left for any other news if they did.

The meaning of Trump's statement isn't really very clear, although it probably is to those who want to take it at face value (his haters in the press, for sure). But I don't think he's talking about a Paris or Brussels type of terrorist attack not being reported. Nor is he talking about the little incidents that happen in the small villages of the mountains of far-away Afghanistan. I think he's talking about the tendency of the media (and politicians including but not limited to Obama) being been very hesitant and slow to describe terrorist attacks as being motivated by radical Islam. They tend to be very quick, however, to come up with other explanations and possible explanations for those attacks. And they're even more hesitant to acknowledge that there is any relationship at all between radical Islamism and Islam itself, because, after all, I mean, c'mon, Islam is a religion of peace, everybody knows that.

Like, the press will pound the whole "workplace violence" narrative until they have no choice but to scream "uncle," like they did with the San Bernadino shooting. Or the Ft Hood shooting when, for years, Obama described it "workplace violence" despite clear evidence to the contrary, and that's exactly how the press reported it, despite the same evidence. Obama even insisted that Nidal Hasan, the shooter, be prosecuted for workplace violence, which he was. Because of that, the press still continue to report that he killed 13 people and injured more than 30 in an incident of workplace violence, despite Hasan's own words to the contrary, and despite his official petition to become a citizen of the Islamic State.

Obama called the shooting in Paris at that Jewish kosher grocery store a "random act of violence," and that's how the press (in the US) reported it, despite new outlets in Europe reporting it as terrorism, which it was. Ismaayil Brinsley, a radical Muslim, posted on his Facebook and Twitter accounts his intention to launch jihad against the infidels at the NYC Police Department, which he then carried out when he ambushed and killed two cops in Brooklyn in 2014. Even after the police and Homeland characterized it as terrorism, the politicians were hesitant, and the press went ahead with their narrative of him being mentally unstable with his own personal demons and life misfortunes, as if somehow he wasn't really even to blame. Alton Nolen of Norman, OK had recently converted to Islam, and his phone and laptop showed he spent a lot of time on ISIS and other radical Islamic sites. He tried to convince his co-workers at the Vaughan Foods plant in which he worked to also covert to Islam, and got angry when they refused. He got even angrier when they refused to call him Muhammad. He left work, then returned a little while later with a knife, and stabbed one person and beheaded another. The press? Workplace violence.

So, yeah, the press doesn't want to report it (as radical Islamic terrorism) and often take great pains not to. In many cases they go ahead and report it as something other than Islamic terrorism.

"The only thing we have to fear other than Donald Trump is fear itself." - FDR

Puhleease. Almost all the incidents you site were covered as terrorism on the media I followed. The lone stabbing I vaguely remember but I'm not sure I would consider it terrorism rather than the act of a demented individual that felt rejected by his co-workers.

Anyhow, in my mind, strange place that it is, I believe he was trying to defend KAC and confuse the issue of the BG Massacre. If Steve Bannon tells him something it is now a fact carved in stone. But again, just my time on the Soapbox.

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[Turtle]

Puhleease. Almost all the incidents you site were covered as terrorism on the media I followed

Eventually, yeah. But the NYT still to this day refuses to label Hasan's 2009 shooting as terrorism, and the Washington post finally gave in a gave terrorism a backhanded nod when the Army finally classified the victims of the shooting as casualties or war (for benefits, Purple Hearts, etc.). But again, the press as a whole, will take great pains to not report it as radical Islamic terrorism until they really have no choice.

The lone stabbing I vaguely remember but I'm not sure I would consider it terrorism rather than the act of a demented individual that felt rejected by his co-workers.

Yup. That's precisely what the press told you to believe. Yet there was clear evidence on his three phones and his laptop that he knew without hesitation that Allah had commanded him to kill infidels who would not respect and convert to Islam.

If Steve Bannon tells him something it is now a fact carved in stone

Yeah, I know. Members of the press who have no frigin' idea of what really goes on amongst staffers have nevertheless figured it all out. The NYT reports that every night at 6:30 Trump goes upstairs, dons his bathrobe, and sits there watching cable television all night. They also report that his staff can figure out how to use a doorknob or a light switch. They also report Steve Bannon is running everything. I'm a little skeptical of all of it. Staff can't figure out how to work a door knob? Or a light switch? Sitting there all night in a robe watching Don Lemon? It all sounds almost as silly as Kellyanne Conway's Bowling Green extravaganza.

Besides, I prefer to picture Trump walking around the White House with no clothes on, like a real emperor would.

 

[Turtle]

Interesting that, thus far, not a peep out of the mainstream press regarding an AP article.
In putting the restraining order on Trump's travel and immigration ban, the judge asked the DOJ lawyers "How many arrests have there been of foreign nationals from those seven countries since 9/11?"

"I don't know the specific details of attacks or planned attacks," answered Michelle Bennett, who is from the DOJ's Civil Division.

The judge quipped, "The answer to that is none, as best I can tell," said the judge.

"The rationale was not only 9/11," Bennett said. "It was to protect the United States from the potential for terrorism."

Fact check: No arrests from 7 nations in travel ban? Judge in Seattle was wrong

 

[OntarioVanMan]

as the nation waits.....Ceo's and the business world....where are the tax breaks? ..they won't do anything more without the tax breaks...so far silence.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Puhleease. Almost all the incidents you site were covered as terrorism on the media I followed

Eventually, yeah. But the NYT still to this day refuses to label Hasan's 2009 shooting as terrorism, and the Washington post finally gave in a gave terrorism a backhanded nod when the Army finally classified the victims of the shooting as casualties or war (for benefits, Purple Hearts, etc.). But again, the press as a whole, will take great pains to not report it as radical Islamic terrorism until they really have no choice.

The lone stabbing I vaguely remember but I'm not sure I would consider it terrorism rather than the act of a demented individual that felt rejected by his co-workers.

Yup. That's precisely what the press told you to believe. Yet there was clear evidence on his three phones and his laptop that he knew without hesitation that Allah had commanded him to kill infidels who would not respect and convert to Islam.

If Steve Bannon tells him something it is now a fact carved in stone

Yeah, I know. Members of the press who have no frigin' idea of what really goes on amongst staffers have nevertheless figured it all out. The NYT reports that every night at 6:30 Trump goes upstairs, dons his bathrobe, and sits there watching cable television all night. They also report that his staff can figure out how to use a doorknob or a light switch. They also report Steve Bannon is running everything. I'm a little skeptical of all of it. Staff can't figure out how to work a door knob? Or a light switch? Sitting there all night in a robe watching Don Lemon? It all sounds almost as silly as Kellyanne Conway's Bowling Green extravaganza.

Besides, I prefer to picture Trump walking around the White House with no clothes on, like a real emperor would.

so if God tells me to go and massacre a bunch of people its terrorism and I am not a whack job?...was Jeffery Dahmer a terrorist? Gacy?.....in the old days nut jobs would just yell out...God Made me do it and get put in the rubber room.....now they yell out whatever that chant is aka bar...and they are terrorists...

 

[blackpup]

One person's terrorist is aother person's looney tune

 

[Turtle]

as the nation waits.....Ceo's and the business world....where are the tax breaks? ..they won't do anything more without the tax breaks...so far silence.

Hardly silence. Trump has been meeting with leaders from all types of businesses gathering data on which taxes and regulations kill jobs. But Trump can't reduce taxes with an executive order, that's Congress.

 

[Turtle]

so if God tells me to go and massacre a bunch of people its terrorism and I am not a whack job?

There's certainly an argument to be made for having some wort of mental problem when you do things based on the advice of an imaginary friend.

was Jeffery Dahmer a terrorist? Gacy?

Not according to the definition of terrorism.

in the old days nut jobs would just yell out...God Made me do it and get put in the rubber room.....now they yell out whatever that chant is aka bar...and they are terrorists...

Depends on what they do.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

as the nation waits.....Ceo's and the business world....where are the tax breaks? ..they won't do anything more without the tax breaks...so far silence.

Hardly silence. Trump has been meeting with leaders from all types of businesses gathering data on which taxes and regulations kill jobs. But Trump can't reduce taxes with an executive order, that's Congress.

Meetings are all well and fine....he has been told by Pharma, auto execs and whom ever....its the cash now....its results...

 

[OntarioVanMan]

so if God tells me to go and massacre a bunch of people its terrorism and I am not a whack job?

There's certainly an argument to be made for having some wort of mental problem when you do things based on the advice of an imaginary friend.

was Jeffery Dahmer a terrorist? Gacy?

Not according to the definition of terrorism.

in the old days nut jobs would just yell out...God Made me do it and get put in the rubber room.....now they yell out whatever that chant is aka bar...and they are terrorists...

Depends on what they do.

well since 9/11 the terminology of "terrorism" has been over used..IMO..Columbine, ok bombing, Sandy Hook....

a serial killer brings out terror....and so forth...

 

[Turtle]

Nobody told him "It's the cash now." They all know how the process works.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Nobody told him "It's the cash now." They all know how the process works.

thats correct..... but they are not going to make a move till they see the cash is on the move....promises won't cut it when it comes to a big investment...I would imagine in the back rooms Trumps people are drafting legislation to make this happen.....

 

[Worn Out Manager]

Here's an interesting point, although it is not important, the dishonest press has reported that W was president over 5 months before he played his first round of golf. O was in office 4 months before his first round. President T played his after 2 weeks. I don't really care, but, I would love to hear the response from those that posted a lot of negative comments Everytime O played golf.

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[OntarioVanMan]

I watched the Pharma meeting with Trump and Cheap labour is not their biggest issue as takes little to make a pill...and mostly automated...they have plants over Swiss and Norway and Ireland....example Ireland 14% corporate tax...

 

[Turtle]

I watched the Pharma meeting with Trump and Cheap labour is not their biggest issue as takes little to make a pill...and mostly automated...they have plants over Swiss and Norway and Ireland....example Ireland 14% corporate tax...

Yep. It's corporate taxes and unnecessary regulations that are making the difference.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

I used to buy from Jan Drugs up in Canada...one of my scripts was mailed from the Phillipines to Great Britain and then to the US because of some regulation on that particular drug, while others would come directly