the tortoise and the hare

Paul56

Seasoned Expediter
I had always been under the impression that Americans thought 'we' drive like maniacs on our highways..

That impression could be gained after entering Canada at the Ambassador and doing a tour on the 401.

It can be one heck of an initiation to Canadian driving after one has been under the impression that Canada is a remote barren wilderness with few creature comforts.

:D
 

CharlesD

Expert Expediter
I think it's different for the independent driver. If you're leased on with a company and you're headed into a competitive area, getting there earlier might be of some benefit, but I don't think so in my case. I will often check for loads along the way and be calling brokers or shippers while I'm driving to see if I can set something up for when I get to that area. There was one time where I got into a city and delivered and then saw a good load on a board that I didn't have enough time to get to, but that is pretty rare. Also, and I know this isn't the case with all of you, but many of the people who drive faster are stopping more, which is why I sometimes get passed by the same vehicle multiple times on a long run at times. For me, my target mpg is 20. I watch the mpg reading on the dash and if I start dropping below that, I'll slow down until it gets back up there. If I have a really heavy load, I just accept that fact that I might get around 19, or if I'm driving in mountains or high winds that will lower it some.
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
The general rule is that 1mph change in speed above 55mph equals .1mpg change in fuel economy so slow down 10mph and gain 1mpg.
 

nightcreacher

Veteran Expediter
As has been proven over the years,for every mile per hour over 55 you save 1 mpg,now with that in mind;
I will put this in easy figures you will understand.Fuel at $4.00/gallon,you get 10 mpg so now fuel cost is 40 cpm
same senario only you get 11 mpg,cost has dropped to .36 per mile
At 100000 miles thats 3600 bucks savings just by slowing down 5 mph.sure only seems like 300 bucks a month,and after taxes about 250 per month,but over the 5 year life of your note on the truck,thats around 15000 in your pocket and no work involved.
Lets say you run 150000 miles a year,your in a class 8 that is getting 8 mpg,thats $75000 in fuel cost.Now you slow down that 5 mph,get 9 mpg ,thats less than 66666 dollars fuel cost or 8333 in the bank for 1 year,or 550 per month,after taxes,nothing to sneeze at now.just for slowing down.dont even have to work for it.guys $33000 over 5 years.
Just 5 mph,your not going to be late on delivery,you will still average over 50 mph,just keep that left hand door shut.Oh and by the way,you wont just save fuel cost,it trickles down,tires,engine wear fan belts,what are you saving now?
 

Dynamite 1

Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
there may be an extra load there occasionaly, and that is great but there is always that scenerio of taking that load you hurried to be first for and finding out that the next person in line got even a better one , so it is all a guessing game. what is not is slowing down and running steady will save you fuel. i admitt we dont always run as slow as we are now,. normally 61 or 62 in a 55 or 60 zone which has stayed the same but we have backed off to 65 steady in all others and we never did drive 70 or 75 always about 68. that little change, at least for us makes a 1/2 mpg better steady since we started after the first of the year. just had a friend finally try this, he normally ran 70-72 in the big speed limit but backed off to 64-65 and his mpg went from 8.5 to 9.48 over the recent 1100 mi. trip he did. that is just one trip but i am sure he intends to pursue and see if the increase holds up. we should want that money all the time, but with fuel as high as it is now it makes all of us want to keep every penny we can and not be as worry free as when fuel is cheaper. funny how we sometimes dont bother with a few pennies. TNT
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Hawk..the latter part of my post..."On the other hand....A solo driver is so out of whack because of the HOS just MAYBE it's what they have to do to put food on the table...."

I know you've been around here since the dino's left the land...I don't think you'll get a lot of support from the other members on this issue.
Then again..what do we know, it's your truck, your business, you've been around, your not a newbee, you know the game....go for it.
 

pjjjjj

Veteran Expediter
if fuel is 4/gallon and cpm is .50, that means 8 mpg
if can increase to 9mpg for the same 4/gallon
cpm is .444
.50-.444=5.5cpm savings
5.5cpmx100000driven = 5500yr saved
5500/12mos=458.33/month saved

so if 10mph reduces the mpg by 1, then this would change to:

if driving at 68mph x 100,000mi/yr = 1470.59 hours driving
if driving at 58mph x 100,000mi/yr = 1724 hrs driving
253.4 hours more per year
21 hrs per month more driving time
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Pjjj..the scenerio i see is....a driver picks up at 3pm the clock is ticking he's got till 5am to make the consignee.....gets there by 4am and docks or parks in lot if possible and logs off for the 10...BUT shipper doesn't open till 7am....he gets up at 6.55 unloads and moves a couple miles down the road or stays in that lot if possible without logging in....his 10 will be up at 1pm and he's ready for another load....This scenerio a solo driver could run one load per day.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
What I am wondering:

Is how to some figure their mileage out. 'filling your tank' method is not all that precise with the issue of non-temp compensated fuel pumps and expansion or contraction of the fuel because of the external temps. I know some trucks and a lot of vans have mileage indicators what formulate the consumption from the injection timing on the engine but this is not what I am getting at.

And how do you figure your mileage with the APU and/or reefer unit, unless there is a separate tank. What method do you use to determine the consumption of the APU and/or reefer?

And last, what if we go back to the old 55 MPH speed limit across the country? I think if we get back to the situation where fuel relativity too high, say $6 or $6.5 a gallon, one solution that will be revived is that 55 mph speed limit.
 

Doggie Daddy

Veteran Expediter
Pjjj..the scenerio i see is....a driver picks up at 3pm the clock is ticking he's got till 5am to make the consignee.....gets there by 4am and docks or parks in lot if possible and logs off for the 10...BUT shipper doesn't open till 7am....he gets up at 6.55 unloads and moves a couple miles down the road or stays in that lot if possible without logging in....his 10 will be up at 1pm and he's ready for another load....This scenerio a solo driver could run one load per day.

OVM,isn't what you just described a falsification of your logbook?

I have often wondered how solo drivers have done this,where they have a run that uses up most if not all of their 14 hour total.How do they show getting up after a short nap while waiting for the consignee to open up, and show the unloading time if it is passed their 14 hour limit?DD.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
I see the price of diesel has dropped a couple cents this weekend....so lets all go back to normal.....till next time!......*smirk*
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
OVM,isn't what you just described a falsification of your logbook?

I have often wondered how solo drivers have done this,where they have a run that uses up most if not all of their 14 hour total.How do they show getting up after a short nap while waiting for the consignee to open up, and show the unloading time if it is passed their 14 hour limit?DD.

I wouldn't.....i'd unload at 4am......illegal...yes....do able... yes recommended...No
neccessary....at times for a solo.. Yes.

Question: If your on PRIVATE property...do you have to show driving around the lot???
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
I would imagine they wouldn't be able to get away with that with an electronic log because of the POD problem...And you, the Feds babysit you guys so much....*LOL*
 

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
Tuesday - ran a load from northeast Ohio down to Georgetown, KY - 341 miles. Picked up at 17:30 and the protect at the consignee was 06:00 the next day - but I could deliver up until 02:00. I ran it at 55 mph all the way - and still made it there by 12:30.

Had another one Thursday picked up in northern Kentucky at 17:00 going to Montreal (Longueil, QC) by 18:00 Friday 835 miles. I ran that one at 60 mph, stopped and took a 3 1/2 hour nap on the way, and still delivered it at 16:05 - early enough to get another load out if anything was available (which there wasn't.)

All I know is that fuel gauge sure seems to drop alot slower when I slow down. :D
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
WoW..you read that...3.2 MILLION gallons saved!! and thats just one OTR company...can ya imagine if they all did that?.....
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
That link now leads to a story about the cattle abuse in California, at least the two times I tried it.
 

MCBuggyCo

Seasoned Expediter
Truckers Slowing Down to Save Fuel
By JAMES MacPHERSON, Associated Press Writer
8:50 AM PDT, March 22, 2008

BISMARCK, N.D. -- Coast-to-coast trucker Lorraine Dawson says fellow drivers used to call her "Lead Foot Lorraine." But with diesel fuel around $4 a gallon, she and other big-rig drivers have backed off their accelerators to conserve fuel.

"I used to be a speed demon, but no more," said Dawson, based at Tacoma, Wash. "Most drivers have cut their speed considerably."

Dawson said she's cut her speed by five to 10 miles per hour to save money for her company. Many independent owner-operators have slowed even more, she said.

"My fiance is an owner-operator and he's been crying a lot about the price of fuel," Dawson said. "He's been slowing way down."

Truckers and industry officials say slowing a tractor-trailer rig from 75 mph to 65 mph increases fuel mileage by more than a mile a gallon, a significant bump for machines that get less than 10 miles per gallon hauling thousands of pounds of freight. Even sitting still with the engine idling, a rig gulps about a gallon of diesel every hour.

"We just can't afford it," Dawson said of diesel as she was topping off her fuel tanks at a Bismarck truck stop.

When she started driving trucks in 1997, diesel was about $1.97 a gallon, $2 a gallon cheaper than what she paid Wednesday in Bismarck. Rigs like hers have two fuel tanks, typically holding 300 gallons each.

The nationwide average for a gallon of diesel on Thursday was $4.03, up from $2.74 one year earlier, AAA North Dakota spokesman Gene LaDoucer said. The average in North Dakota on Thursday was $3.98, up from $2.82 a year ago, he said.

"Twenty-four states are paying $4 or higher," LaDoucer said Thursday.

The climb is blamed on record crude oil prices and global demand, LaDoucer said.

"Diesel is the predominate fuel used in foreign countries, and there is a lot more demand for it globally and that helps bid up the price that we are paying here," LaDoucer said.

Fuel accounts for about a quarter of carriers' operating costs, and now is surpassing labor as the biggest expense for some carriers, said Tiffany Wlazlowski, a spokeswoman for the Arlington, Va.-based American Trucking Associations.

"And rising fuel costs do increase the cost of consumer goods," she said.

Trucks haul 70 percent of all freight tonnage in the U.S., according to the American Trucking Associations.

State troopers have noticed the decline in truckers' speeds, said North Dakota Highway Patrol Capt. Eric Pederson.

"We see it when we're out patrolling," Pederson said. "In talking to the drivers, a lot of the large companies are setting policies that give the drivers a little more leeway on the time on their loads -- just to save on the fuel."

Wlazlowski said the U.S trucking industry expects to spend $135 billion on diesel this year, up from $112 billion in 2007. There are 3.5 million truck drivers in this country, she said.

"For every one-penny increase in the price of diesel, it costs our industry $391 million," she said. "In the last month, it's gone up 50 cents."

Wlazlowski said the trucking industry does "anything that will help them save fuel." She said that includes outfitting trucks with aerodynamic fairings and special tires to improve mileage. Drivers also are using more efficient routes and reducing idling times.

Trucking company Con-way Inc. of Ann Arbor, Mich., announced this month that it adjusted speed governors on the engines of the 8,400 semis in its less-than-truckload division, Con-way Freight.

Truckload carriers usually dedicate a shipment to a single customer, and move freight directly from the shipper to the receiver. Less-than-truckload carriers are filled with shipments from multiple customers, and may redistribute it at terminals along routes.

Con-way spokesman Gary Frantz said the maximum speed of the trucks has been cut from 65 mph to 62, a move that should cut fuel consumption by 3.2 million gallons a year.

"It's a significant savings," Frantz said.

The company said the move also would eliminate 72 million pounds of carbon emissions annually, or the equivalent to removing nearly 7,300 automobiles from U.S. highways.

Frantz said the company should have the governors on the 3,000 rigs in its truckload fleet adjusted next month.
 

nightcreacher

Veteran Expediter
so if 10mph reduces the mpg by 1, then this would change to:

if driving at 68mph x 100,000mi/yr = 1470.59 hours driving
if driving at 58mph x 100,000mi/yr = 1724 hrs driving
253.4 hours more per year
21 hrs per month more driving time
and thats 5 hours a week
 
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