The Messiah selling us out
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It's hard to believe the Republican Party isn't playing this clip every day in TV ads all over the country. This speech says everything we need to know about Barack Hussein Obama. If someone this weak and naive gets elected president, we'll be at war with Iran within his first year in office. The Islamo-fascists, Chinese, Russians, North Koreans - all of them will know that we wil be vulnerable on not only military, but also economic matters. Imagine being in a trade war with China at the same time we're in a new major conflict with Iran, and having Obama in the White House as our Coward-in-Chief. This video should be passed around the internet repeatedly to make sure everyone possible sees just what he has in mind for us if he's elected.
I've said it before and I'll say it again...the Chinese scare the crap out of me...
One day they will do some autracity to control their people and the west will have to stand it's ground....and the game will be on....it'll make the Middle east look like childs play....China does not respect us nor ever has....China after all is still communist no matter how you cut it....our manpower is spread so thin with the middle east wearing us down....China has how many million seasoned well equipped and armed forces? And nuclear capable!
One day they will do some autracity to control their people and the west will have to stand it's ground....and the game will be on....it'll make the Middle east look like childs play....China does not respect us nor ever has....China after all is still communist no matter how you cut it....our manpower is spread so thin with the middle east wearing us down....China has how many million seasoned well equipped and armed forces? And nuclear capable!
greg334
Veteran Expediter
OVM,
Don't be scared of China, they have too much to lose if they make a move against us. Their economy is trapped right now (and will be for the next 20 years) by our import market and their 'booming' economy which is forcing a middle class to be created with a capitalist life style. I would venture to guess that if they bit us on the ***, they may see an internal backlash that may send them into the abyss with their government.
BUT...
Be scared of India and Pakistan because Obama has zero foreign policy experience and has come out and said he will invade Pakistan to find Bin Ladin. This is an ally to us, he has insulted them and his message says he does not care about them enough to be neutral. India took notice to this, they are in fact wanting us to invade Pakistan, it will give them a badly needed excuse to also invade Pakistan and then we will have a very serious problem because a lot of our data processing happens over there and people who own Gateways and Dell computers will not get tech support.
Don't be scared of China, they have too much to lose if they make a move against us. Their economy is trapped right now (and will be for the next 20 years) by our import market and their 'booming' economy which is forcing a middle class to be created with a capitalist life style. I would venture to guess that if they bit us on the ***, they may see an internal backlash that may send them into the abyss with their government.
BUT...
Be scared of India and Pakistan because Obama has zero foreign policy experience and has come out and said he will invade Pakistan to find Bin Ladin. This is an ally to us, he has insulted them and his message says he does not care about them enough to be neutral. India took notice to this, they are in fact wanting us to invade Pakistan, it will give them a badly needed excuse to also invade Pakistan and then we will have a very serious problem because a lot of our data processing happens over there and people who own Gateways and Dell computers will not get tech support.
greg said :"then we will have a very serious problem because a lot of our data processing happens over there and people who own Gateways and Dell computers will not get tech support."
boy what better reason NOT to go to war!!!
you were being sarcastic right???
I was just reading about the bombings over there...seems to be an uprising already...if they use the military to quell the people and start summary executions the west will have to say something and take a position....it could get ugly.
boy what better reason NOT to go to war!!!
you were being sarcastic right???
I was just reading about the bombings over there...seems to be an uprising already...if they use the military to quell the people and start summary executions the west will have to say something and take a position....it could get ugly.
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greg334
Veteran Expediter
NO I am not being sarcastic, I am really serious about it. People in general don't get this area of the world, they think that the Palestinian and Israeli thing is the biggest threat to us but we depend on a lot of outside work being done in those countries and it amazes me that people are so focused on minor threats and can't see the real big ones.
tallcal101
Veteran Expediter
Three reason to buy vacation ocean front property in China:
1) bushewacked financed his terrorist recruiting tool ,also known as the Iraq war, by utilizeing the Chinese ATM machine in the sky. Knowing that he would be selling future generations debt to the Bank of Asia,he made sure we would beome a debter nation to the Chinese.He did a very good job and we are now a bankrupt nation. If there is a run on the Banks,there is not enough money to cover such an event. Period.There was when dimlightbulb boy took over from Bill.
2)In less then 5 years,China will not be considered a Communist country. They are a bastion of captolism and will dominate the world economy,like it or not. Yes,human rights are a problem (like here)end managing 1.5 billion people,most living below a poverty level unacceptable to us until recently (living in the family car is now routine thanks to bumble boy) is also a challange.Visit the new China and have a look for yourself.If your not interested,I understand. It was companies like Craftsman tools that handed China the keys to the kingdom buy deciding to manufactur US products overseas.Greed begets no jobs except those the immigrants are willing to do. Puzzling that.
3) Most of the Chinese PHD's who flocked to the Silicon Valley have flocked back to China. Better pay,more opportunity and affordable housing. World domination by the Chinese has already happened in case you have not noticed. Where is just about everything in your house made? Most spare parts ? Building materials and the tools to do the building?
Wake up fools,crosseyed dinglebarry boy and his mutant republicans stallworths in congress sold our ***'s down the river. The trade deficit grew a whopping 29 to 35% under this sad excuse for a government the last 8 years.
4) I'll be catching waves off Hunan Island in a few years hangin with my inlaws. I'll keep my place in San Fran and do half time here and half time there.Come by and have a cold Tising Tao and catch the suset. It's the Hawaii of China.
1) bushewacked financed his terrorist recruiting tool ,also known as the Iraq war, by utilizeing the Chinese ATM machine in the sky. Knowing that he would be selling future generations debt to the Bank of Asia,he made sure we would beome a debter nation to the Chinese.He did a very good job and we are now a bankrupt nation. If there is a run on the Banks,there is not enough money to cover such an event. Period.There was when dimlightbulb boy took over from Bill.
2)In less then 5 years,China will not be considered a Communist country. They are a bastion of captolism and will dominate the world economy,like it or not. Yes,human rights are a problem (like here)end managing 1.5 billion people,most living below a poverty level unacceptable to us until recently (living in the family car is now routine thanks to bumble boy) is also a challange.Visit the new China and have a look for yourself.If your not interested,I understand. It was companies like Craftsman tools that handed China the keys to the kingdom buy deciding to manufactur US products overseas.Greed begets no jobs except those the immigrants are willing to do. Puzzling that.
3) Most of the Chinese PHD's who flocked to the Silicon Valley have flocked back to China. Better pay,more opportunity and affordable housing. World domination by the Chinese has already happened in case you have not noticed. Where is just about everything in your house made? Most spare parts ? Building materials and the tools to do the building?
Wake up fools,crosseyed dinglebarry boy and his mutant republicans stallworths in congress sold our ***'s down the river. The trade deficit grew a whopping 29 to 35% under this sad excuse for a government the last 8 years.
4) I'll be catching waves off Hunan Island in a few years hangin with my inlaws. I'll keep my place in San Fran and do half time here and half time there.Come by and have a cold Tising Tao and catch the suset. It's the Hawaii of China.
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Tennesseahawk
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Ya know, I was going to post something outrageously liberal (aka mindless), as you did, Tallcal. But honestly, I couldn't think of lies big enough. Keep on your California Dreamin, there, Cal.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
You know, the worlds definition of communism is changing anyway.
China won't become a free country in my lifetime, to be exact the next stage for them may be a fascist country but not a capitalist country. In order for it to become a capitalist country, the have to make real changes, which is it won't allow.
Learn the difference and stop listening to CNN.
As for everyone moving back, yea why not - the growth in the US is are negative numbers so they will go where the money is.
AND who is the real dimwit, I think you maybe the one - Bill Clinton and the dems gave the keys away to china, not Bush.
Craftsman tools? They stopped being a worthwhile tool a while ago. It is funny that some of the best tools are from Germany or the US and expensive and are selling. Craftsman wanted to be the masses tool of choice.
by the way Germany had a strong middle class, like China they grew fast under Hitler but it still was a totalitarian regime that controlled the people through fear and punishment.
China won't become a free country in my lifetime, to be exact the next stage for them may be a fascist country but not a capitalist country. In order for it to become a capitalist country, the have to make real changes, which is it won't allow.
Learn the difference and stop listening to CNN.
As for everyone moving back, yea why not - the growth in the US is are negative numbers so they will go where the money is.
AND who is the real dimwit, I think you maybe the one - Bill Clinton and the dems gave the keys away to china, not Bush.
Craftsman tools? They stopped being a worthwhile tool a while ago. It is funny that some of the best tools are from Germany or the US and expensive and are selling. Craftsman wanted to be the masses tool of choice.
by the way Germany had a strong middle class, like China they grew fast under Hitler but it still was a totalitarian regime that controlled the people through fear and punishment.
tallcal101
Veteran Expediter
And which portion is untrue Hawk? It appears you take exception with my post.
I know,it's not Hunan Island,it's Hainan Island,I should know as I spent my honeymoon there.Hunan is Mao's home province,next to Guanxi province.
My mistake. What else do you take exception to?
Sometimes the truth is more outragious then anything even I could make up. Just remember when your watching NSACAR that every single Carftsman tool in the pits was made in China.Good ol' Red White and Blue baby !!
I know,it's not Hunan Island,it's Hainan Island,I should know as I spent my honeymoon there.Hunan is Mao's home province,next to Guanxi province.
My mistake. What else do you take exception to?
Sometimes the truth is more outragious then anything even I could make up. Just remember when your watching NSACAR that every single Carftsman tool in the pits was made in China.Good ol' Red White and Blue baby !!
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tallcal101
Veteran Expediter
Property values have gone up in the last 5 yerar.Developments that have names like "Long Beach" and "California Shores" (very tacky) feature western style homes with landscaped yards,gold courses,all the amenities and are close by shopping malls. They start at $75,00.00 and go up to $250,000.00 to $300,000.00.
This is not in Bejing or Shanghi,but in the outer provinces. Bejing and Shanghi are in the millions. Hainan Island in the South China sea is a pretty spectacular place with lots of place's to develop right on the ocean,which is warm.
There was early development here,but the banks shut most of the development down midway through the projects. They were seen as to western at the time.
Now western is all the rage and is encouraged. The more western the better.
Since the Yuan has not been devalued,1 US dollar is worth 6.8 Yuan.
A single Yuan has the local buying power of 1 US dollar.
Since I have family in China,I can buy land under the families name. US law firms such as Morrison and Forester have large staffs of lawyers in China to set up land purchace's for US citizens interested in such investments.
I have a good friend in China who I met on one of my trips over after I met my wife on a business trip. He is from Ohio,and was a truck driver for one of the big national carriers and was bored and sick of his job. He was running a dedicated route between Ohio and Florida.
He was a lay preacher and an educated guy.Just bored.He got a job in my wifes hometown teaching english off the internet.He had never been outside the US and went for it.
The town my wife is from was all Mandarin all the time. Things have changed now,english is pretty much everywhere.He took the job,lived for free at the school,and learned Mandarin.
He never came back,not even to visit. He married a local girl,and now actually teach's Sunday school in a Christian Church (now allowed)and is still teaching english. He also owns two homes.He's a hell of lot more like your guys then he is like me,I mean that in a good way.
Enough.
This is not in Bejing or Shanghi,but in the outer provinces. Bejing and Shanghi are in the millions. Hainan Island in the South China sea is a pretty spectacular place with lots of place's to develop right on the ocean,which is warm.
There was early development here,but the banks shut most of the development down midway through the projects. They were seen as to western at the time.
Now western is all the rage and is encouraged. The more western the better.
Since the Yuan has not been devalued,1 US dollar is worth 6.8 Yuan.
A single Yuan has the local buying power of 1 US dollar.
Since I have family in China,I can buy land under the families name. US law firms such as Morrison and Forester have large staffs of lawyers in China to set up land purchace's for US citizens interested in such investments.
I have a good friend in China who I met on one of my trips over after I met my wife on a business trip. He is from Ohio,and was a truck driver for one of the big national carriers and was bored and sick of his job. He was running a dedicated route between Ohio and Florida.
He was a lay preacher and an educated guy.Just bored.He got a job in my wifes hometown teaching english off the internet.He had never been outside the US and went for it.
The town my wife is from was all Mandarin all the time. Things have changed now,english is pretty much everywhere.He took the job,lived for free at the school,and learned Mandarin.
He never came back,not even to visit. He married a local girl,and now actually teach's Sunday school in a Christian Church (now allowed)and is still teaching english. He also owns two homes.He's a hell of lot more like your guys then he is like me,I mean that in a good way.
Enough.
It's obvious that international economics is not your specialty, but to be unaware that the Clinton administration opened the gates to our trade deficit with China is simply a case of Bush-hating denial. Clinton's shady deals with the Chinese fill volumes; from the political donations of the Chinese military to the selling of the Loral missle technology, the Johnny Chung connection, the Chinese political operatives that fled back to the mainland to avoid subpoenas and possible prosecution - the list goes on and on. From an economic standpoint, all this international trade came to a head when the Clinton administration got on board with the NAFTA agreement - remember it was Slick Willie that pushed this deal through congress and happily signed it, and we heard Ross Perot's "giant sucking sound" as heavy manufacturing went out of the country. We now have almost everything we use on a daily basis made in China for one reason - they make it cheaper! In spite of the quality issues and the copyright violations, Wal-Mart, Craftsman, and almost every other retailer seems to get most of their goods from China because the price is lower even after dealing with the transportation issues. Also, foreign investment from the Chinese, Saudis, etc. was prolific long before Bush was elected so don't even think about blaming that on him - Nixon actually got the ball rolling on that, and foreign investment is due to the global economy that is now a reality. But for all the goods the Chinese manufacture, someone has to buy it; if the US stops buying their goods, there is no other country to take our place and they know that. Regarding the US jobs - it's interesting how the liberals choose to ignore all the jobs created by foreign investment and the foreign owned plants that have been built here over the past 8-10 years. Why do you think that unemployment is still less than 5.5%, which has historically been considered full employment? And 93% of all homeowners still pay their mortgages on time with no problems.
So in less than five years China will not be considered a communist country? Go ahead and bet the farm on that one. What will they be - a democracy? Maybe a representative republic? Maybe you'd like to discuss that with someone from Tibet. Try a dictatorship - history has shown how willing communists regimes are to surrender power to their people and the current Chinese govt. is no exception. For them to allow pure capitolism is simply not in sync with their governing philosophy. Their price controls, tight monetary policy and inflation problems are only the first symptoms of the hybrid capitolism problems developing as their economy grows. Granted, their purity of culture, work ethic and appreciation for education are characteristics the US doesn't have right now. But to say the communists won't be in control of China for the foreseeable future is simply unrealistic. Remember Tiananmen Square.
Cal, the problem with your post(s) might be that they always blame Bush for every problem. Certainly he is not perfect and a number of things should have been different. As others have pointed out with the patience I lack for doing so, a good bit of this issue traces it's blame back much longer than just the Bush administration. If you can find a way to criticize more than just Bush you may achieve more credibility to the points that deserve it.
tallcal101
Veteran Expediter
Leo,the problem with your posts is that you cannot write two lines with out speaking about the Koolaid.Like we are all robots and marching in unison if we happen to think our country is falling apart and that there maybe ( MAYBE )an alternative to the GOP mess. If your ready to throw in the towel as you think all the canidates are to liberal then toss in the towel. You have my respect and maybe someone will come along next time you can support.But for some of us,who have suffered under this flawed administration,we would like to fix it. Sorry for being so self absorbed Leo, but your negativity is not infectious to all of us.It's what makes you you Leo.But that does not make you right, it only makes you Leo.
I seriously doubt we willl be anymore of a socialist country then we are today (I don't consider solving problems that affect all of us as socialist as long as the rich pay their portion too). But as your all wealthy guys and gals,or at least have no problem with the super wealthy getting a free ticket to ride and be excused from paying their portion,I can see the socialist threat is your big boogie man in the night.Don't loose too much sleep over it,we were all going to be communists or Catholics if Kenndy won,for those who remember.
Pilgram,you really crack me up. Like I don't have full knowledge of the history of how the Chinese took control of the US economy,give me a break. I do appreciate the history lesson,but I have eaten dinner several times at Nixons favorite duck restraunt in Bejing under a photo of Nixon,Pat and Premiear Dung Shou Ping . Nixon is a much loved man in China. as he should be.
I trade with China daily and all our packing material is manufactured in China as is all our staionary and promotional material.The problem I have Pilgram,for your information,is that bush decided to fight this war of choice by finanacing it through the Bank of Asia. The trillions wasted on this war have nothing to do with the trade deficit with China (which has grown 3 times faster then under Clinton) but with the wasted treasure that was the result of this seeingly endless waste of money (not for long thank God). However,if it pleases you to distort the facts as I presented them,then have it buba. It's all going to shift in the very near future while theres still a chance we can regain our once respected stature on this planet as the leaders of the free world and the beacon the rest of the world looks to for tolorance and stability and leadership. Sorry buddy,Clinton left with those in tact,bush leaves with them in shambles. I know,more bush bashing,as though Clinton bashing is OK,but leave poor w alone already. Never,he's done to much damage,sorry boys.
Oh,by the way, for all you future land owners in China,there's no property tax.....yet.
I seriously doubt we willl be anymore of a socialist country then we are today (I don't consider solving problems that affect all of us as socialist as long as the rich pay their portion too). But as your all wealthy guys and gals,or at least have no problem with the super wealthy getting a free ticket to ride and be excused from paying their portion,I can see the socialist threat is your big boogie man in the night.Don't loose too much sleep over it,we were all going to be communists or Catholics if Kenndy won,for those who remember.
Pilgram,you really crack me up. Like I don't have full knowledge of the history of how the Chinese took control of the US economy,give me a break. I do appreciate the history lesson,but I have eaten dinner several times at Nixons favorite duck restraunt in Bejing under a photo of Nixon,Pat and Premiear Dung Shou Ping . Nixon is a much loved man in China. as he should be.
I trade with China daily and all our packing material is manufactured in China as is all our staionary and promotional material.The problem I have Pilgram,for your information,is that bush decided to fight this war of choice by finanacing it through the Bank of Asia. The trillions wasted on this war have nothing to do with the trade deficit with China (which has grown 3 times faster then under Clinton) but with the wasted treasure that was the result of this seeingly endless waste of money (not for long thank God). However,if it pleases you to distort the facts as I presented them,then have it buba. It's all going to shift in the very near future while theres still a chance we can regain our once respected stature on this planet as the leaders of the free world and the beacon the rest of the world looks to for tolorance and stability and leadership. Sorry buddy,Clinton left with those in tact,bush leaves with them in shambles. I know,more bush bashing,as though Clinton bashing is OK,but leave poor w alone already. Never,he's done to much damage,sorry boys.
Oh,by the way, for all you future land owners in China,there's no property tax.....yet.
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greg334
Veteran Expediter
Tallcal
The thing I am seeing is the rich are paying more of their portion, the poor pay nothing and the people in the middle seem to be getting screwed. We get screwed because money is being taken off shore not just because of cheap labor but because of high taxes. When the liberal and socilistic countries of the world are lowering taxes, cutting back on services all the same time growing, we are moving to the point where they are running from.
I don't agree of your premise that we are solving problems and that there is no worry if we do so and it is called socialism. You remember a time before the great society, you know that a lot of the programs that were created to help the poor actually trapped them in an never ending cycle of dependency. Why would you think that we need to solve any problem like we did in the past when the outcome for the few is good but for the many is bad? Wouldn't jobs and allowing people to prosper and have real chances be better?
I take it that you do agree with the squeezing of the people in the middle by any means?
I mean look around man, we have a congress who is controlled by the democrats again, who tell us that we can't use our natural resources and want us to suffer by having more taxes to slow the economy down. I take it you support the downfall of the country like this?
Bush for what it's worth also followed Clinton's lead into Iraq, he followed the UN into Iraq and he is 50% to blame, because the congress, everyone of them - not just the ones who voted to go to war, but everyone one of them has a share of blame.
BUT if you want to gain my support on something like Impeachment, lets impeach the president under not upholding his constitutional duties under Article IV, section 4 - Republican government where The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.
But it won't happen, because the great democratic party also does not want to up hold the Constitution by allowing people to invade our country due to their agenda of grabbing as much power as they can. It is not about giving these people a chance to live here, we have laws and it is those laws that are being ignored. I know this sounds harsh but if you side with the invaders, then you support slavery and human trafficking.
The thing I am seeing is the rich are paying more of their portion, the poor pay nothing and the people in the middle seem to be getting screwed. We get screwed because money is being taken off shore not just because of cheap labor but because of high taxes. When the liberal and socilistic countries of the world are lowering taxes, cutting back on services all the same time growing, we are moving to the point where they are running from.
I don't agree of your premise that we are solving problems and that there is no worry if we do so and it is called socialism. You remember a time before the great society, you know that a lot of the programs that were created to help the poor actually trapped them in an never ending cycle of dependency. Why would you think that we need to solve any problem like we did in the past when the outcome for the few is good but for the many is bad? Wouldn't jobs and allowing people to prosper and have real chances be better?
I take it that you do agree with the squeezing of the people in the middle by any means?
I mean look around man, we have a congress who is controlled by the democrats again, who tell us that we can't use our natural resources and want us to suffer by having more taxes to slow the economy down. I take it you support the downfall of the country like this?
Bush for what it's worth also followed Clinton's lead into Iraq, he followed the UN into Iraq and he is 50% to blame, because the congress, everyone of them - not just the ones who voted to go to war, but everyone one of them has a share of blame.
BUT if you want to gain my support on something like Impeachment, lets impeach the president under not upholding his constitutional duties under Article IV, section 4 - Republican government where The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.
But it won't happen, because the great democratic party also does not want to up hold the Constitution by allowing people to invade our country due to their agenda of grabbing as much power as they can. It is not about giving these people a chance to live here, we have laws and it is those laws that are being ignored. I know this sounds harsh but if you side with the invaders, then you support slavery and human trafficking.
Several points here:
(1) You're just kidding with Leo about the Koolaid - right? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You must be into the liberal koolaid big time, but that's OK - you're committed to your beliefs.
(2) Next time you're in Nixon's favorite duck restaurant in China with your pals, be sure to check the spelling of Premier Deng Xiaopeng's name.
(3) There's a difference between distorting your facts and challenging your opinions - and that's what this forum is all about is the civil debate over whether or not our opinions are right, wrong, left, center or whatever. I'm just challenging your opinions as you do mine.
(4) I'd like to hear your detailed explanation of how Bush financed the Iraq war exclusively through the Bank of Asia.
(5) "...our once respected stature on this planet as the leaders of the free world and the beacon the rest of the world looks to for tolorance and stability and leadership. Sorry buddy,Clinton left with those in tact,bush leaves with them in shambles."
You've got to be kidding - thanks to Clinton's kowtowing to the Chinese and the Saudis, his military weaknesses and his commitment to weakening our military, his refusal to deal with terrorist attacks, his refusal to take Bin Laden when he had the chance, his inability to deal with the North Koreans and Somalia, and last but not least - his personal lascivity while in the Oval Office managed to devalue the presidency of the US and the stature of our country to it's lowest level of the century. The humanitarian relief and foreign aid we provide to countries around the world to both friend and foe alike is scarcely matched by any other nation or group of nations anywhere. This gets back to the koolaid thing again - you simply lose all credibility when you try to blame Bush for everything from pestilence in Africa to economic woes in Michigan. Bush and the Republicans aren't all bad - and the Democrats aren't all good. It's not black and white, it's shades of political gray as it always has been.
always confused
Seasoned Expediter
yes clinton was bad. yes bush is bad. congress is bad. the courts are bad. but this country is still the best thing going i know of. mccain and obama are promising everybody everything, will give everybody nothing. taxes are going up, while they tell us they are trying to help us. as a nation we are too giving. its an oldie but still true - you can't buy friends. i think the 'carry a big stick, and don't be afraid too use it' concept needs to be revived. i think the 'great socal give-away' programs need to be eliminated. i believe crime deserves to be punished. i believe government bail-outs only serve to protect 'the rich'. since they are the ones suporting the political ambitions of our 'elected' representives i'm not suprised.
on the bail-out thing... most business be they banks or or whatever are investments. people buy various investments hoping to gain, but part of the concept is you can lose. so when a 'bank' goes belly up the deposits are protected by fdic, but the investers lose their investment. but if a bail-out occurs their investment is saved. thank goodness the money was there except they took it out of my pocket to put in somebody elses pocket.
i don't think its possible to find an honest ethical politician above the local level anymore. and the higher you go the more of a crook you find.
on the bail-out thing... most business be they banks or or whatever are investments. people buy various investments hoping to gain, but part of the concept is you can lose. so when a 'bank' goes belly up the deposits are protected by fdic, but the investers lose their investment. but if a bail-out occurs their investment is saved. thank goodness the money was there except they took it out of my pocket to put in somebody elses pocket.
i don't think its possible to find an honest ethical politician above the local level anymore. and the higher you go the more of a crook you find.