The lights are out on 2 Officers, state of the nation.

[Pilgrim]

Plenty of minority cops get assaulted or killed in the line of duty. Not much is heard about this in the press. The liberal media would have us believe there is a black holocaust going on in the United States. The real story should be the vicious cop-haters and the harm they unleash on society.

Too many cops get killed or injured in the line of duty every year, but this fact gets very little if any coverage in the national media. Unfortunately many don't care, and others who have problems with authority figures are glad because they have the attitude that the cops deserved it. Of course the media takes a few isolated incidents and portrays law enforcement in general as the out of control gestapo. Most of them and the public in general have no idea what kinds of situations LEOs encounter or the types of people with which they deal in doing their job. The kicker is that for risking their lives every day they receive a disgraceful level of compensation.

The following FBI website contains some interesting information regarding the number of officers killed and assaulted every year. It's informative reading for those who might be interested.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...niously-killed/leoka-felonious-summaries-2013

 

[Turtle]

The following shows that once you get enough of those isolated incidents, it ain't all that isolated anymore.
San Francisco Police Under Fire for Racist Texts

 

[aristotle]

If there are , for example, one million interactions per day in the US between police and civilians, a small number of these interactions will go wrong. Same is true in interactions between cabbies and their fares, pizza delivery personnel getting robbed, a restaurant manager closing shop late at night, a truckdriver being accosted at a truckstop, a school teacher being savagely beaten at school, a social worker checking on the welfare of children being assaulted, a WWII veteran sitting on a park bench attacked by gangs. The list is endless. We live in a dangerous world and police are the thin line between civilized society and anarchy. Our policemen and policewomen have the toughest assignments since they often encounter individuals already caught up in extreme emotions, drunk, high on drugs, mentally deranged or simply mean and vicious. Cops regularly encounter individuals who have nothing to lose or have everything to lose.

 

[muttly]

Six officers out of 2100, who are accused of stealing from drug dealers. Isolated incident.

 

[Turtle]

If there are , for example, one million interactions per day in the US between police and civilians, a small number of these interactions will go wrong.

Depends on how you define 'wrong.' We're finding out that more and more often that's defined as racial profiling, targeted enforcement, unnecessary roughness by police, totalitarian oppression, and police escalating things to provoke.

That's just one of the problems with the militarization of civilian police, both in terms of training and mindset, and hardware - they become adversarial soldiers trained to defeat the enemy.

 

[Turtle]

Six officers out of 2100, who are accused of stealing from drug dealers. Isolated incident.

The racist text messages from the 14 other officers is a different matter, though.

 

[muttly]

Too many cops get killed or injured in the line of duty every year, but this fact gets very little if any coverage in the national media. Unfortunately many don't care, and others who have problems with authority figures are glad because they have the attitude that the cops deserved it. Of course the media takes a few isolated incidents and portrays law enforcement in general as the out of control gestapo. Most of them and the public in general have no idea what kinds of situations LEOs encounter or the types of people with which they deal in doing their job.

The news media is mostly interested when there is an incident involving a white officer and a black person. They're not interested as much with black on black crime or black on white crime. It isn't reported on with as much fervor, particularly with the national news media. It is rarely a national story. It explains why there is a lack of perspective with many people.

 

[muttly]

The racist text messages from the 14 other officers is a different matter, though.

It's a different matter, in the context that they exist . Again,out 2100 officers. There hasn't been any evidence correlating the officers who wrote the texts and incidents of racism in their police work. The article didn't even divulge the race of all 14 officers. ( only two) A police dept which is staffed with half minority officers.

 

[muttly]

This video, which should be uncomfortable to both the left and the right, pretty well sums it all up.

An incident which has been universally condemned by everyone. A rare incident involving a cop shooting an unarmed individual in the back. It doesn't happen much. With this particular incident, the officer was arrested and charged with murder in less than a week.

 

[aristotle]

If one wants to experience adversarial relations with cops, travel through Mexico. US cops generally are as well behaved as Boy Scouts.

 

[Turtle]

It's a different matter, in the context that they exist . Again,out 2100 officers. There hasn't been any evidence correlating the officers who wrote the texts and incidents of racism in their police work. The article didn't even divulge the race of all 14 officers. ( only two) A police dept which is staffed with half minority officers.

Your difference of opinion isn't with me, it's with the law enforcement officials in San Francisco who are positing that they may have a systemic problem.

 

[Turtle]

An incident which has been universally condemned by everyone. A rare incident involving a cop shooting an unarmed individual in the back. It doesn't happen much. With this particular incident, the officer was arrested and charged with murder in less than a week.

Yes he was, but his contemporaneous communications with dispatch at the time and his filed police report stated the dead guy had gone for his taser, and that he had to shoot in self defense. That's also the statement the police released after the incident. It was because of that lie, and the cold, effortless manner in which it was disseminated, that the videographer released the video to the press, and it's why he didn't release it directly to the police.

 

[Turtle]

If one wants to experience adversarial relations with cops, travel through Mexico. US cops generally are as well behaved as Boy Scouts.

There's no need to smear the good name of the Boy Scouts in this.

 

[muttly]

Your difference of opinion isn't with me, it's with the law enforcement officials in San Francisco who are positing that they may have a systemic problem.

Article excerpt:
San Francisco Police spokesman Albie Esparza says the department supports the district attorney's examination, but disputes any suggestion that the police force of 2,100 sworn officers may suffer from systemic racism.

"This was an isolated incident," Esparza said. "To say it's systemic is unfounded."

 

[Turtle]

Article excerpt:
San Francisco Police spokesman Albie Esparza says the department supports the district attorney's examination, but disputes any suggestion that the police force of 2,100 sworn officers may suffer from systemic racism.

"This was an isolated incident," Esparza said. "To say it's systemic is unfounded."

I'm shocked, shocked I tell you, that the police department spokesman would take such a position and say such a thing. <snort>

 

[muttly]

Yes he was, but his contemporaneous communications with dispatch at the time and his filed police report stated the dead guy had gone for his taser, and that he had to shoot in self defense. That's also the statement the police released after the incident. It was because of that lie, and the cold, effortless manner in which it was disseminated, that the videographer released the video to the press, and it's why he didn't release it directly to the police.

It's unclear if the man INITIALLY went for his taser, so that part might have been true or false.( a moot point because the threat was over with.) From the video, he clearly was not shooting in self defense because the individual was running away and the threat was over. He definitely lied about the self defense part. The police released the statement because that was the statement given by the officer. The investigation was in the beginning stages. Unclear if even the autopsy was completed before the initial police statement. Yes, the video was a huge help, but the physical evidence of five bullets shot in the backside of someone,(ascertained by the autopsy) as well as gun powder residue not being on the victim,( indicating lack of close range)would have been inculpatory evidence against the officer.
No evidence so far that he did this out of racism. A terrible decision nonetheless, possibly brought on by the stress of being in an altercation.

 

[Turtle]

It's unclear if the man INITIALLY went for his taser, so that part might have been true or false.( a moot point because the threat was over with.)

The dash cam video shows he INITIALLY got out of the vehicle and ran while the cop was nowhere close.

My point is, without that video, the cop's lie would have been the end of it, because people, especially the cops, will believe and defend cops. Anything different than what the cop says in always unfounded, or it's an isolated incident. More and more we wee neither of those things are true. Look at what you did above, you quoted the police department spokesperson as if that's the final word on it, that's the only one to believe or take seriously, because, you know, cops wouldn't lie, mislead or blindly defend other cops.

 

[Ragman]

Somewhere Amonger is saying told ya so!

 

[muttly]

The dash cam video shows he INITIALLY got out of the vehicle and ran while the cop was nowhere close.

My point is, without that video, the cop's lie would have been the end of it, because people, especially the cops, will believe and defend cops. Anything different than what the cop says in always unfounded, or it's an isolated incident. More and more we wee neither of those things are true. Look at what you did above, you quoted the police department spokesperson as if that's the final word on it, that's the only one to believe or take seriously, because, you know, cops wouldn't lie, mislead or blindly defend other cops.

Yes the dash cam video taped the initial chase, but didn't pickup the possible initial altercation with the taser. Neither did the cell phone video. Again, it doesn't justify shooting him, because he was running away, and all the bullet wounds were from the back. ( and not from very close range)
It is unlikely the cops lie have would been the end of it. The physical evidence unlike in Ferguson would have been very problematic for the officer.
The police spokesman, from the other post, said that the department 'supports the D.A. examination.'
IMO, they should be leery of a DOJ investigation as well, only because they would politicize it like they did in Ferguson.

 

[Turtle]

History shows the cop's lie very likely would have been the end of it, especially since the cop dropped his taser next to the body. The physical evidence may have been problematic for the officer, but they're not gonna hang an officer out to dry on problematic, it has to be conclusive. We've seen plenty of cases where it's been conclusive and they still defended the action as justifiable.

What, exactly, did the DoJ politicize in Ferguson? The report was about as politically bland as it gets.