the greatest theft in the nation's history

garyaddis

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You'd have to live in a shoebox not to have heard what's going on down in Florida. What's going on is the loss of America's innocence. The belief that we were superior, that our electoral process was sacrosanct, that fraud in the ballot booth could not be perpetrated on the American people. Well, we were wrong.

Every other segment of American life is tainted by corruption--business, medical treatment, the legislative processes. American military "advisors" and diplomats supervise elections in hundreds of other nations. Apparently, we need to have our own elections supervised.

Granted, if all of Florida's voters had carefully perused the ballot form, they would have punched the proper hole. But no one can deny that the form's design was, at the very least, confusing. I mean, on the left side of the form were several inches of white space. Why, then, did Buchanan's name appear on the other side of the "butterfly, and between the names Bush and Gore?" Why did the two sides of the ballot not line up?--all the rest of the names lined up perfectly with their punch holes. Why?

Clearly, the layout of that ballot was designed to defraud the voters. To confuse. To cause mistakes. To benefit Bush by dividing Gore's votes.

The networks did not predict the outcome of Florida's vote too early: they relied on the exit polls, which clearly indicated that Gore would win the battle by thousands of votes. But nearly 20,000 people who thought they had voted for Al Gore were disqualified. They committed the unpardonable sin of punching the holes of two candidates.

Can you not understand why they made this "stupid" error?

This was a presidential election, meaning that each vote was for two people, a president and a vice president. Both names were printed on the ballot, so he/she might easily assume that both of the two holes within Gore's bordered text block had to be punched; the voters had stood outside in a line for up to three hours, making thousands of Floridians late for work that Tuesday; taped above the booth was a printed sign that read, "5 minutes permitted in voting booth if others are waiting"; and a large percentage of these fine folks were first-time voters, nervous and slightly embarassed and afraid that they would be considered too stupid to vote if they asked for explanations. The election monitors in that county were well aware that they had a problem; that people were confused by the layout of that ballot.

Yeah, respondants to this post will be certain to point out that in 1996, this county disqualified 16,000 ballots due to double voting. Then why didn't they fix the damn thing? In four years Jeb's secretary of state couldn't design a more error-proof form?
Also, I'd like to know whether the election four years ago was decided by the disqualification of those 16,000 votes. Bet it benefited a Republican.

Bush shouts from podiums all over this nation that he trusts the people. He ought to put up or shut up. He should demand a revote (not recount) in at least that one county. Hell, if he were the man he claims to be, no matter the outcome of the electoral count he'd step aside, and permit the winner of the popular vote to assume the office that is rightly his. Instead, Bush smugly plots the physical ascencion to the presidency.

This man is unprincipled. He's going to pull the nation together????

I forgave Bush for the larceny he and his buddies were convicted of when he was a young adult (rich boys, they stole a decorated Christmas tree as a prank). Although just last year my granddaughter was killed by a drunkened car thief, I forgave Junior for driving intoxicated into a tree. I forgave him for lying/exaggerating wildly during the presidential debates. Lie # 1: that HE signed into law a Texas patients bill of rights (it passed into law but over George's veto). Stupidity #1: that Reagan was right to send American troops into Lebanon (about 200 were killed in a terrorist attack, after which Reagan tucked tail and ran). Ignorant statement #1: that if he were elected president he'd bring Am. troops home from Haiti (all *34* of them?!!?).
Dangerous misstatement of fact #1: that the Europeans ought to assume more of the peacekeeping duties in Kosovo (85% of the UN peacekeepers are European, and the Europeans themselves provide 90% of the funding). I forgave George W. Bush (Jr.) for all this and more.

But I will not forgive this unethical, pouty little boy for destroying my belief in the inviolability of the American electoral process. I now know that our elections are no safer from election fraud than are those in hundreds of Third World countries. For this, George, damn you. Damn you to hell.
 

doe.mouse

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Charter Member
Remember that ballot was approved by both the democrats and the republicans. We have used that type ballot in the county in OH where I live for years. Perhaps the people down there just aren't smart enough to understand how to use it. The president and vice president's names have always been on the ballot. The way the law is now, who ever wins the electoral college wins the presidency. I think that the winnwr should be the person who wins the popular vote, but that isn't how the law is now. It is time to change it. They say Kennedy stole the election from Nixon, and the country moved on. This will be all decided soon and the country will move on again.
 

RichM

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Garry Lighten up,What you have down there in South FL is a bunch of whining transplanted New Yorkers who have complained about something as soon as they were able to talk.That ballot was endorsed by both parties,published in the newspaper and all registered voters had a sample ballot mailed to them.If they made mistakes in voting that is their problemm and perhaps they shouldn!t be voting.I live in North FL and we use the same ballot,believe me you do not need to be a brain surgeon to figure out how to read and vote on that ballot.It sure sounds like SOUR GRAPES,If Al Gore had won and the Republicans were kicking up this fuss the liberal media and liberals like yourself would be up in arms about how the Republicans are trying to control the elections. What the hell kind of banana republic would we become if any time a candidate lost a election some group would demand that they be allowed to revote because they didn!t take the time to figure out how to vote..On another matter I hope the SOB that was drunk and caused your Grandaughter to get killed got his or her just results..
 

The Hammer

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Charter Member
Dear Gary

I've been reading your brilliant political satire for the last week or so and just had to write to compliment you! The way you seem to have gotten into the character of a Democratic Party Marxist and the way you've been able to flawlessly recreate the hypocritical, mindless drivel they espouse is nothing less than inspired. I can't begin to quote all of the gems you've written in your posts, but your post in this thread was a work of pure genius; it so effectively gave the illusion of a sleep-deprived, wide-eyed radical spewing his venomous, bitter rhetoric that I found myself drawn into the story! I had to keep reminding myself that the mental image you so deftly conveyed of a pouty flower child eaten-up with class-envy and filled with hatred towards anyone who has a couple of more bucks than he, was merely the creation of an experienced mystery writer! Bravo!

Before I close, I have to also commend you for the excellent part about the ballots. Staying completely in character, you captured the mad dog paranoia and leftist ravings of a staunch Democratic party lapdog who realizes he just lost the big one and that he's out of the game for the next four years until Hillary comes along as the next savior of the party. I have to confess that I thought the part about, "Damn you to hell!" was just a little over the top, but after all, it's satire, right?

Just a word of caution: You and I know it's meant as a parody, but with George W. headed for the White House, it might be best to calm down the hate-speech a tad; I'd hate to think of one of my favorite writers being placed on the Secret Service list of "People to Place Under Surveillance."

The Hammer
 

George W Bush

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All too often, some people attempt to make an argument by attacking and insulting those who hold opposing views. Gary Addis's inclinations are a perfect example. I would like to start by discussing Gary's ploys, mainly because they scare me. The thing I'm the most frightened about is that I unmistakably hope that the truth will prevail and that justice will be served before Gary or his presidential hopeful does any real damage. Or is it already too late?

My goal is to solve the problems that are important to most people. Of course, Gary contends that liberal Democrats are inherently good, sensitive, creative, and inoffensive. Excuse me, but where exactly did this little factoid come from? I might add: When Gary says that his diatribes are a breath of fresh air amid our modern culture's toxic cloud of chaos, in his mind, that's supposed to end the argument. It's like he believes he has said something very profound. At the risk of sounding hopelessly callow, I have a hard time trying to reason with people who remain calm when they see Gary glorify the so-called naive Democrats in Florida.
 

garyaddis

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>Remember that ballot was approved by
>both the democrats and the
>republicans.

So they say. Seems that everyone missed the ball, and it rolled into center field. I say center field (not left or right) because thinking Americans of all political stripe abhor this situation. The Democrat, remember, served as Gore's campaign chief for Florida. He monitored, or pretended to, the registration/voting of all 120-odd voting precincts. He was rather busy; if he even saw that ballot he gave it a quick glance. About as quick a glance as Bush's people say they gave it.

>This will be all decided
>soon and the country will
>move on again.

Yes, it will end. And we will all survive. This nation is stronger, more resilient than anyone suspects. We survived Nixon's Mafia connections. We survived Reagan/Bush's pussy-footing with Arab terrorists (Iran/Contra). So far we have survived Reagan's trickle down economics, which produced a $3,000,000,000,000 debt. We survived the hypocrisy of the Founding Fathers, who kept slavery because it lined their pockets; who did not trust the American people to make the "right" decision. And we will survive this. Unfortunately, no matter which one moves on to the White House, nothing will get down for the next two years, minimum.
 

garyaddis

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Charter Member
> The way you seem
>to have gotten into the
>character of a Democratic Party
>Marxist......

I do readily admit that I --I do not speak for anyone else-- do harbor a "Marxist" thought or two. Theoretically, I do believe in the idiom, "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need." In a perfect world, it would be thus. However, this world being far from perfect, the Marxist ideal falls flat. I am a hard-working capitalist. I work as many hours as you and more than most others to feed and clothe my family. I have been a businessman; several family members are now businessmen. But businessmen and women are as imperfect as us blue collar working stiffs.

Speed limits are necessary out on the freeway, I think you'll agree. Therefore, why do you object so strenuously when anyone remarks that multinational corporations must be as closely watched. A CEO can kill far more people with a single self-serving decision than a thousand gun-wielding muggers do in a year.


>......effectively gave the illusion of
>a sleep-deprived, wide-eyed radical spewing
>his venomous, bitter rhetoric that
>I found myself drawn into
>the story!

I notice that you can't refute any argument I've said. Sticks and stones may break my bones, guy, but your frilly two-handed "compliments" don't bother me at all.

As for the flower-child business: like millions of other young Americans, back in the Sixties I was blinded with idealism. I believed in the power of commonsense, and, yes, in the power of love. I believed that if enough of us believed and lived as though we believed, then the world would magically become a better place. Well, the closest thing to a Merlin produced by the 1960s was John F. Kennedy, who taught us to "ask what we could do" for our nation. They killed JFK; they sent us to Asia by the hundreds of thousands to bleed and die and learn how to kill other idealistic young men. I no longer believe in many of the things I once did. I do, however, still believe without reservation in the American people.

Ronnie Reagan, an elitist Republican, ranted about free trade for eight years, then traveled to Japan the week he left office, where he was given, what, $11 million for a 20-minute speech? Dare I suggest that this could have been payment for favors received? Bill Clinton forced Japan to lower the pitcher's mound a few inches, giving American BUSINESS a more level playing field, and now we're kicking Japanese butt, in a business sense. Remember Lee Iaccoca's exhortation to "save American jobs, buy American?" He forced Chrysler employees to accept a 20% pay cut, then used a huge chunk of the savings to award himself a fat multi-million dollar bonus. But that was only fair, right? It wasn't the hard work of the hourly workers that saved the company; it was those brave folk in the expensive suits.

I don't have a problem with your making a profit off my labor, friend, for in a very real sense I profit from management's labor. I do, however, resent greatly your attitude that one man's pencil pushing is ever more valuable than that of 10,000 laborers. In most instances, both managers and laborers work their buns off to help the business succeed. Both deserve credit; both deserve a taste of the caviar.

>......paranoia and leftist ravings of
>a staunch Democratic party lapdog
>who realizes he just lost
>the big one .......

We didn't lose; that's just the point.

You, a perfect human being, are incapable of making a mistake. In your entire life you have never turned left when you should have turned right. You have never transposed a figure in a checkbook. You have never in your entire life misread a set of instructions--when you put a child's bike together, you don't have a single rubber washer left over.

You are educated, obviously. Unlike millions of Americans, when you graduated grade school you could read and comprehend the sometimes silly and often incomprehensible legalistic wording on a government form. Alas, many intelligent but uneducated, possibly even illiterate, but nonetheless deserving Americans would have had trouble with that county's ballot. Can't you concede that? Or are you suggesting that only those who think like you are deserving?

It is a fact that elitist Republicans strive to deny the working poor the right to vote. Democrats passed the motor-voter law over stiff opposition from your kind. For as you know a vast majority of the working poor always vote Democratic. That's precisely why a Missouri Republican went to court to force St Louis precincts to close at the statutory time, denying the right to vote to thousands who had been standing in line for hours.

George trusts people? Do he, now? He trusts machines more than he trusts humans.

>Just a word of caution:
>You and I know it's
>meant as a parody, but
>with George W. headed for
>the White House, it might
>be best to calm down
>the hate-speech a tad;
>I'd hate to think of
>one of my favorite writers
>being placed on the Secret
>Service list of "People to
>Place Under Surveillance."

That's the most ridiculous statement you've made. You, a proponent of the Constitution's Bill of Rights, would deny me the right of free speech? Oh, forgive me: you're suggesting that Bush may use government power as Nixon did, to threaten and intimidate, thus infringing the people's free exchange of ideas.

I'll say it again: George, ol' buddy, ol' pal, you are flat wrong to oppose a revote in Florida! You will never be forgiven if you take--TAKE-- the presidency in this manner.

If all you're going to do is spout silly frilly political euphemisms that you borrowed from the likes of Rush Limburger, don't bother to reply to this posting. I've wasted more time on you that your "arguments" deserve.
 

garyaddis

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Charter Member
>......talk.That ballot was endorsed
>by both parties,published in the
>newspaper and all registered voters
>had a sample ballot mailed
>to them.

Rich, brother, I do agree with you about the damned yanks in Florida. And we're all being fed political BS from spinsters of both parties. It's my contention, though, that very few of those voters received a sample ballot (thousands have arrived in the mail in the last couple of days, after the election). And, let's face it, many of those fine folk can't read an insurance company's claim denial forms--come to think of it, I can't either. The wording of the ballot instructions was legalistic, written to cover political behinds, not elucidate the process to functionally illiterate voters. Illiterate or college edjicated, they still deserved the right to have their voices heard.

I am hardly illiterate, but when I was filling out my MS absentee ballot, I made my mark in--Egads!--George Jr's block, and had to insist vociferously that I be given another form. Erasures weren't allowed, you see. In Florida, you couldn't take it back without a fight if you mistakenly punched two holes. Twenty thousand people don't make the same mistakes. On the radio days before the election (I was delivering in FL), a caller complained that something was wrong, that she couldn't understand why you HAD TO punch two holes for Gore, but only one for Bush. They all weren't stupid.

About my granddaughter: the scuzzbag got 31 years.

I'll be glad when this election is over--I'm no longer frightened of the harm ol' George would do. But fair is fair, my friend. Seriously, you want a man in the White House who believes that a hole-punch reader is more accurate than the eyes of a dozen human (Dem and Republ) vote counters?
 

garyaddis

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Charter Member
>All too often, some people attempt
>to make an argument by
>attacking and insulting those who
>hold opposing views. Gary Addis's
>inclinations are a perfect example.


As are yours, Governor Bush. You and many other members of your political party are far superior when it comes to insulting others for their political views. Lazio's rabid finger-pointing personal attacks on the wife of the president are one example. How many times during the campaign did you, you personally, accuse Al Gore of claiming that he invented the internet? Don't deny that you know this to be false--I can produce the entire text of the statement in question if you like. If pushed, I'll play a recording of Newt Gingrich, praising Al Gore for drafting legislation which encouraged the development of the internet.

>I would like to start
>by discussing Gary's ploys, mainly
>because they scare me. The
>thing I'm the most frightened
>about is that I unmistakably
>hope that the truth will
>prevail and that justice will
>be served before Gary or
>his presidential hopeful does any
>real damage. Or is it
>already too late?

My ploys? Want to discuss "ploys?" I am one voice, writing my views in a newsgroup-type forum on the internet, exercising my right of free speech. You believe that Clinton was a detriment to our nation?--I believe he was the best president we'll likely ever see. My right to say so. Your spinmeisters produce the most positive Republican, the most negative Democratic slant to anything that happens or has ever happened. Your right to do so.
I read, listen and research as best I can with my limited resources, and then put my own subjective spin on things. My right to do so. Rush Limbaugh's right to spout the drivel he does, too.

>My goal is to solve the
>problems that are important to
>most people.

I believe that. We differ in what we perceive as problems, however, and how we'd go about solving them. Which is your right. And my right.

>Of course, Gary
>contends that liberal Democrats are
>inherently good, sensitive, creative, and
>inoffensive. Excuse me, but where
>exactly did this little factoid
>come from?

Excuse me, Governor Bush, but in what paragraph did I make that statement? There are good people in all political parties. The Democratic Party has produced its share of seemingly unprincipled politicians. I don't deny this. I do, however, aver that Democrats' bread is more likely to be buttered by the working poor. Your bread, as you know, is more likely to be smeared with Beluga caviar.


>I might add:
>When Gary says that his
>diatribes are a breath of
>fresh air amid our modern
>culture's toxic cloud of chaos,
>in his mind, that's supposed
>to end the argument. It's
>like he believes he has
>said something very profound. At
>the risk of sounding hopelessly
>callow, I have a hard
>time trying to reason with
>people who remain calm when
>they see Gary glorify the
>so-called naive Democrats in Florida.
>

In your entire post you've not discussed a single point I made in reply to a single posting on this forum. Instead, you've engaged in a personal attack against me, me personally.

In closing, I have to say that I finally understand why you're fighting so hard to prevent a proper--and far more accurate--hand count of the Florida vote; why you are so insistant that those 19,000+ citizens be denied the right to have their vote registered. In the last sentence you wrote you let the cat out of the bag: you've admitted that you believe all those people will vote for Al Gore.

Trust the people, Mr. Bush: allow the revote.
 

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doe.mouse

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Charter Member
RE: The Florida Ballot

Well no matter who wins, isn't it nice to know that we can express our views in this great nation and not worry that we will censored by the government and sent to jail. I thought about this yesterday as I watched the cremonies observing Memoral day. Being a vetran myself, I am thankfull for all those that gave their lives so we may now have the freedom's that we have. I am a Democrat that voted Republican this time. I will support who ever wins the presidency, and I hope you will do the same.
 

garyaddis

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Charter Member
RE: The Florida Ballot

>Well no matter who wins, isn't
>it nice to know that
>we can express our views
>in this great nation and
>not worry that we will
>censored by the government and
>sent to jail. .....will support who ever wins
>the presidency, and I hope
>you will do the same.


For holding this open discussion in most nations, we'd all be held incognito in jail. So, yes, absolutely, we do live in the best nation on Earth. And I agree with you, there's a vast difference between disagreeing b4 the fact, and being a roadblock afterward. Governor Bush, or Vice President Gore, Liberal or Conservative--whoever wins this thing, you have my pledge, and the pledge of most other thinking Americans, I'm sure, that we will support the next President of the United States.

For one thing, it's a fact that you've both been fairly well solarized by the will of the people. Who was it who said, "Above all else, do no harm?" That's the will of the electorate, obviously; We the People meant to polarize, to equalize the power. I, a "rabid, mad dog" Liberal Democrat, openly admit that the Middle Ground of American politics is the best route. Obviously, the majority of Americans believe this also.

Peace to you, and to all who have and continue to disagree with my views.
 

garyaddis

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Charter Member
RE: The Florida Ballot

>Well no matter who wins, isn't
>it nice to know that
>we can express our views
>in this great nation and
>not worry that we will
>censored by the government and
>sent to jail. I thought
>about this yesterday as I
>watched the cremonies observing Memoral
>day. Being a vetran myself,
>I am thankfull for all
>those that gave their lives
>so we may now have
>the freedom's that we have.
>I am a Democrat that
>voted Republican this time. I
>will support who ever wins
>the presidency, and I hope
>you will do the same.
>
 
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