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Brisco

Expert Expediter
If your a contractor you should not expect any money for deadhead miles. As a contractor the company offers you x amount of dollars to move freight for them from point A to point B. Deadhead miles are just a cost of doing business.

Some will say the carriers who pay anything for deadhead are doing you a favor. Well, yes and no. If eating the deadhead expense yourself makes the load unprofitable, you're not going to take it, so a carrier-paid deadhead is an incentive for you to take the load.

Contrary to popular belief, the carrier has no control over where the shipper is, and if you happen to not be close to the shipper then sometimes significant deadhead will be required.

These 2 quotes kinda put the "Contractor" in a danged if you do-danged if you don't situation, doesn't it.

The carrier is there to find you, the business owner, loads so that you can operate at a profit, hopefully. But, like Turtle said above, "the carrier has no control over where the shipper is". It is IMO that contractor himself is basically rolling the dice with what the expenses are going to be(deadhead costs) to be able to operate at a profit when loaded.

Another Opinion of mine, I think the "Business Owner" should be compensated from the beginning of the assignment. In other words, let's say PII has a pick-up in Nashville. Closest available unit in area that meets the customers requirement is in Lousville. My belief is that the unit that accepts that load should be compensated from the time that business owner says "Yes, we'll accept that load". It's not that "Business Owners" fault that he is the closest available unit that will satisfy the work order said customer placed with Panther is it? So why should that "Business Owner" have to put out the expense in getting their Carriers customers needs met?

Now I fully understand if the BO wanted to move himself from Louisville to Nashville to place himself in a better income opportunity and covering the deadhead costs on his own dime. But if a Carrier tells, or has a system, that keeps that BO in Louisville until a load comes up, and the next load available happens to be 180 miles away, then the carrier needs to compensate that BO for the expense it takes to get that unit into that customers area to satisfy the contract between Panther and said Customer. Know what I mean.
 

x06col

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Retired Expediter
US Army
Well yes, and how many of you in your past "positions" were allowed compensation to git to the job??? I don't tink any. Never know where freight will originate, it is a magic thing. IF, the remuneration don't crack the nut........don't agree to it. Simple! I suggest again, the fsc confuses many folks, specially the ones woth the employee mentality. Kinda funny, ain't it???
 

Brisco

Expert Expediter
Well yes, and how many of you in your past "positions" were allowed compensation to git to the job??? I don't tink any.

Comparing a lifestyle where one gets up at the same time every day, has the same routine before reporting to his job every day (Shat-Shower-Shave), and commuting the same 11 miles to his job every day to one that may never know where he might be from time to time, that dedicates weeks, if not months, away from home and loved ones, and that may have to spend countless hours and unknown fuel expenses before he is able to start producing an income from a delivery that his carrier finds for him 180 miles away is..........well.................ignorant.

Again, if you are under the control of a carriers dispatch system, and they need to send you 180 miles away to cover a load that they need covered, then that carrier needs to compensate you to get that load covered. That means, IMO, compensating you for getting to that customer in the most expeditious way you can. Cut the Deadhead BS out of the equasion and the turnover rate for Expediting will probably drop dramatically.
 

lhannah

Active Expediter
If they're paying you one cent for any empty miles they are doing you a favor. They're only getting paid by their customer for the loaded miles most of the time. It's up to you to decide if a load is profitable or not, deadhead included. YOU'RE NOT AN EMPLOYEE.

As a dispatcher, I never feel like I am doing anyone a favor when paying out dead head. It is simply the fee to get the vehicle/driver where I need it when I need it. Its not a gift and shouldn't be looked at as one. If the driver can't get to my PU then neither of us make any money. I am simply making an investment expecting a return.



$.10 per mile for DH after 50-100 miles is pretty much the Industry std for a CV...

Thanks John for Load 1 being the great company it is...

I agree with others that this standard seems really low for current fuel prices. I like that there are companies out there giving the driver better options than .10
 

jimlookup

Seasoned Expediter
My personal belief is the FSC is a unnecessary complication. I understand it is suppose to adjust as fuel prices change so that the base rate remains stable, but, there are many formulas for computing it, some carriers view it as money making oportunity, and it always lags behind the actual price of fuel. A percentage of the gross would work and that's just another way of saying the load pays X amount, all in. I like to take the total miles, multiply that by what it cost per mile to run my truck, add a estimated toll expenditure, and then I know what it will cost me to run that load. Then subtract that from the gross payment and I know my profit for that load. I don't really care about who should pay for dead head or tolls or this or that. The only question is will I make a acceptable profit. The ideal load offer would be, " Your last location update (GPS) indicate your position as Gary, In. We have a load (description) 60 miles away, in Chicago, Il , going 600 miles to Grand Rapids, Mn. The load pays $1000. Will you haul it?" Of course if you are leased to Load One you don't need any of this information. You just take the load and run with it.
 

Monty

Expert Expediter
Thank you Landstar agents, for being business people that treat me as one also!

This has to be the greatest expedite company to be leased too I have encountered, (I also loved Hot Shot Express as a semi owner)

We have no "dispatcher" and I like that, no matter how well intentioned the 19 year old babe is behind the computer at most companies, all she knows is what's on that screen!

Choose a company that understands, and works, with your business model, and you with theirs.

Then the negotations can be valid and profitable.
 

jimlookup

Seasoned Expediter
!

We have no "dispatcher" and I like that, no matter how well intentioned the 19 year old babe is behind the computer at most companies, all she knows is what's on that screen!

Choose a company that understands, and works, with your business model, and you with theirs.

Then the negotations can be valid and profitable.

Are you saying some carriers have a 19 year old babe working as the O/O's business model?
 

zero3nine

Veteran Expediter
Thank you Landstar agents, for being business people that treat me as one also!

This has to be the greatest expedite company to be leased too I have encountered, (I also loved Hot Shot Express as a semi owner)

We have no "dispatcher" and I like that, no matter how well intentioned the 19 year old babe is behind the computer at most companies, all she knows is what's on that screen!

Choose a company that understands, and works, with your business model, and you with theirs.

Then the negotations can be valid and profitable.

Not all agents are the same. Glad you got a good one!

fired at you from my Droideka
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Not all agents are the same. Glad you got a good one!

What?

Glad you got a good one?

Do you think they don't have a choice in who they work with?

They do and it is why a lot of them make d*mn good money.

It is the agent who is lucky.

As for DH, I don't get it and haven't since 2007 but seemed to make money - not the super duper DH/FSC/flatrate stuff but enough.
 

Monty

Expert Expediter
Landstar has an entire book of agents. I work with only 5-6 of them. We have a good working enviroment, they have the freight I want, and I provide the service they wish.

Some might call it brown nosing, I call it a successful business model.

I know for a fact, some of the agents will never call some of the O/O's, and some of the O/O's will never call certain agents.

But that is a business decision, not some faux model set up by a central dispatch/management system.
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
Hey Jerry!! just who do you drive for?? Tri tate or JD Clark?? Or are you a fleet owner with trucks on with both companies???
 

jerry-jones

Seasoned Expediter
I work with tri state I was using j d clark as a secondary but then a problem occurred with jd clrk and now I am with tri state and I just signed on with another company to use as a secondary toget out of the tough spots I am no longer using j d clark sorry hard to punctuate with my phone

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The Enemy

Veteran Expediter
I thought Tri State had a clause in the contract that prohibited a person contracted with them to run for another Carrier.
 

jerry-jones

Seasoned Expediter
nope you cover up their signs ...you go out of service with them ....... and you can run with another company ........that's what they're manual says

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highway star

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I work with tri state I was using j d clark as a secondary but then a problem occurred with jd clrk and now I am with tri state and I just signed on with another company to use as a secondary toget out of the tough spots I am no longer using j d clark sorry hard to punctuate with my phone

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Hard to punctuate? Ahhh.....


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gatorfan068

Active Expediter
Bonus miles are frustraing.....Tis better to move yourself then be bonused.
If you get bonused you eat the first 100 miles. Now if get bonused from Waterloo Iowa to Janesville Wisconsin,you enjoy the sights,waste 1/2 of gas in a CV,and end up with 9 bonus miles...Hmm 9 bonus miles x .10 = .90 a wasted 1/2 tank of gas,and another day of sitting waiting on a load. I'm jus saying......
 

gatorfan068

Active Expediter
Re:

That is true about being able to haul for another carrier as long as you cover up the Tristate stickers. I saw someones driver manual,it states on page 1 at the bottom. What some Tristate O/O's do is when they have the stickers put on,they go and remove them from the rear of their van,and buy magnetic signs.When they haul for another carrier off go the Tristate magnetic signs,then when they haul for Tristate they throw the Tristate magnets back on. : )
 
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