the greatest joke ever

[jerry-jones]

tri state pays 10 cents a mile deadhead after the 1st 100 miles for cargo vans and trucks and they feel like they are doing their drivers a favor when giving it out ummm lets see i need to drive a 1000 miles to get a hundred bucks ........... i told you the greatest joke ever and if anyone bashes this or sticks up for tstate than ur someone working on the inside for them and if you say your not i think you a lier cause according to them all drivers are liers

 

[moose]

tri state pays 10 cents a mile deadhead after the 1st 100 miles for cargo vans and trucks and they feel like they are doing their drivers a favor when giving it out ummm lets see i need to drive a 1000 miles to get a hundred bucks ...........

it will be 1,100 mil. , but...

 

[OntarioVanMan]

it will be 1,100 mil. , but...

or 90$ to go 1,000 miles?

 

[fastrod]

If your a contractor you should not expect any money for deadhead miles. As a contractor the company offers you x amount of dollars to move freight for them from point A to point B. Deadhead miles are just a cost of doing business. Now as an employee you should be paid for deadhead miles, layovers and detention times but you also will be required to get permission for all of this and more from your boss which would be dispatch. It depends what you are, contractor or employee.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

If your a contractor you should not expect any money for deadhead miles. As a contractor the company offers you x amount of dollars to move freight for them from point A to point B. Deadhead miles are just a cost of doing business. Now as an employee you should be paid for deadhead miles, layovers and detention times but you also will be required to get permission for all of this and more from your boss which would be dispatch. It depends what you are, contractor or employee.

Agreed... after all anyone that is driving for a carrier and knows before hand when they sign on...just what they get....if one does not like it and it does not suit ya...then just move on....
amazing how many complain AFTER they sign on...

 

[skyraider]

Agreed... after all anyone that is driving for a carrier and knows before hand when they sign on...just what they get....if one does not like it and it does not suit ya...then just move on....
amazing how many complain AFTER they sign on...

aw shucks,,,u dont say. lol

 

[OntarioVanMan]

aw shucks,,,u dont say. lol

I mean IF the carrier changes the rules AFTER you sign on..then they may have a beef...

Some contracts read that 30 days notice in writing is required for any changes to happen...How many have actually gotten such notice? Not I....

On that note .10 to move a CV or sprinter is not that bad....based on standard MPG...that is about a 75% paid move...

 

[guido4475]

I mean IF the carrier changes the rules AFTER you sign on..then they may have a beef...

Some contracts read that 30 days notice in writing is required for any changes to happen...How many have actually gotten such notice? Not I....

On that note .10 to move a CV or sprinter is not that bad....based on standard MPG...that is about a 75% paid move...

Fuel cost based on $4.00 per gallon, and lets say a comfortable average mpg of 15 mpg, that comes out to .26.6 cpm fuel cost...so how can .10 pm not be that bad? There still is 16.6 cents per mile left uncovered...right?

 

[jimlookup]

MR. Jones, I don't know if you're just venting or seeking suggestions, but I'll assume it's the former. If a carrier offers a load that has a unacceptabe profit due to dead head miles,for the sake of your business, you can't accept it. But, it doesn't help your profit margin to get POed or go negitive. Explain to your dispatcher why you can't except the load and offer suggestions as to what would make the load acceptable. EXAMPLE: Mr Dispatcher, the rate per loaded mile for this 200 mile load is OK, but it involves 120 miles of dead head. I would need another $40 (figured for straight truck) to cover my dead head expense. If a carrier can't do this they are either doing a poor job of pricing their loads or trying to make money off the backs of their contracted partners. In either case, it's time to move on.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Fuel cost based on $4.00 per gallon, and lets say a comfortable average mpg of 15 mpg, that comes out to .26.6 cpm fuel cost...so how can .10 pm not be that bad? There still is 16.6 cents per mile left uncovered...right?

Choices, choices..there Guido..The O/O chose a vehicle NOT suited to this biz, for whatever reason..

Do companies lease 200,000 sq ft when they need only 50,000?

today 15 mpg is NOT suitable....UNLESS there is a carrier that can support such a van....IMO

 

[CharlesD]

If they're paying you one cent for any empty miles they are doing you a favor. They're only getting paid by their customer for the loaded miles most of the time. It's up to you to decide if a load is profitable or not, deadhead included. YOU'RE NOT AN EMPLOYEE.

 

[jerry-jones]

I'll just assume your Jim from dispatch

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[SWTexas1]

Well I'll jump in to this mess, Yes I am an Owner/Op. leased to Tri-State and have been for the last 5 Years. Do they do everything Right, Nope, But with that said Straight Trucks do get more then 10 cents a mile Deadhead and that can also be discussed with dispatch. It sounds from some of your other post that you are not happy at Tri-State, I would suggest that you talk this out with either Mick or Don as that is what they are there for

 

[xiggi]

MR. Jones, I don't know if you're just venting or seeking suggestions, but I'll assume it's the former. If a carrier offers a load that has a unacceptabe profit due to dead head miles,for the sake of your business, you can't accept it. But, it doesn't help your profit margin to get POed or go negitive. Explain to your dispatcher why you can't except the load and offer suggestions as to what would make the load acceptable. EXAMPLE: Mr Dispatcher, the rate per loaded mile for this 200 mile load is OK, but it involves 120 miles of dead head. I would need another $40 (figured for straight truck) to cover my dead head expense. If a carrier can't do this they are either doing a poor job of pricing their loads or trying to make money off the backs of their contracted partners. In either case, it's time to move on.

Well stated, that is more or less how the biz works

 

[chefdennis]

$.10 per mile for DH after 50-100 miles is pretty much the Industry std for a CV...

Thanks John for Load 1 being the great company it is...

 

[Dreamer]

Ok. I'll jump in here. We (Fedex Van) get paid .15 after 50 dh.. plus .18 fsc all miles (this week). We are on flat rate now, so yes I do expect dh as a contractor. Now, if I was still on percentage, I wouldnt be as worried... Id just divide the total pay by miles, and see if it was enough.

On flat rate, excessive dh can kill the profit. I still divide it out, and see if the dh percentage drops the total pay below my acceptable rate. Most of the time its good. If not, I will tell them...too much dh for the loaded miles... and sometimes they will kick in. If not, move on, no hard feelins.


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[golfournut]

$.10 per mile for DH after 50-100 miles is pretty much the Industry std for a CV...

Thanks John for Load 1 being the great company it is...

When that standard was set, what was the cost of fuel? Perhaps it might be time to look at raising the standard. Doesn't look like the cost of fuel is gonna go down anytime soon.
Load One does a great job in covering DH. Either by building it into the load or taking a little more from their end. It's all about doing the right thing on both sides, fairness and attitudes of the carrier o/o relationship. Greed is a killer of relationships. You can't hit a home run everytime, but overall you just might if neither gets greedy.
When it becomes about me me me on both sides, both loose. If both sides take into consideration profitability for the other, then both win.
That is one of the reasons I don't like fixed rates. When I was on a fixed rate, the carrier was quick to offer loads below rate. Of course you didn't have to take them. But not once was I ever offered a load over the rate!


Your best bet, hire a vet! Please.

 

[Dreamer]

I dont get offered runs below my rate, BUT. Excessive dh will drop it below what I want overall.


Still me.






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[golfournut]

I dont get offered runs below my rate, BUT. Excessive dh will drop it below what I want overall.


Still me.






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Sure will. Most carriers don't take that into consideration.

Your best bet, hire a vet! Please.

 

[Turtle]

$.10 per mile for DH after 50-100 miles is pretty much the Industry std for a CV...

It varies wildly, but the most common ones are no deadhead at all, 10 cents a mile all miles from the point of dispatch, or something like 25 cents after the first 50 or 100 miles.

Some will say the carriers who pay anything for deadhead are doing you a favor. Well, yes and no. If eating the deadhead expense yourself makes the load unprofitable, you're not going to take it, so a carrier-paid deadhead is an incentive for you to take the load. It can make the load profitable, which helps you, but it helps the carrier even more by getting that load covered.

Panther just moved to a FSC for all miles from the point of dispatch (National fuel average divided by 15 MPG for vans) rather than the old 25 cents per after the first 100 miles. Doing this makes many more loads profitable for the drivers, and thus easier to get covered by the carrier.

Contrary to popular belief, the carrier has no control over where the shipper is, and if you happen to not be close to the shipper then sometimes significant deadhead will be required. If the load pays enough to cover all miles, great, not a problem, but if the headhead amounts to enough to make the load unprofitable, then you either turn the load down or the carrier pays enough to make it profitable, either by paying part or all of your deadhead costs or in some other additional monies. But if a carrier can get you to deadhead all of it on your own dime without paying you anything, or a token dime after 100 miles, more power to 'em. If the load doesn't pay enough in the first place to where that dime doesn't make the load profitable, ask for enough to make it so, or turn the load down. Easy.