The Future Of The Democratic Party And Their Abandonment Of Rural America.

[muttly]

Democrat leadership’s out of touch policies with Rural America is causing a hemorrhaging of votes from them. And it’s only getting worse.
What will it take for the Dems to wise up and understand that their strategy is so toxic in those areas and change course? A massive landslide midterm loss? Frankly, they’ll likely still won’t learn their lesson and will continue to lose rural voters.

Some Democrats in rural Pennsylvania fear saying their party’s name: ‘The brand is so toxic’

The Democratic Party continues to devote the vast majority of its energy, messaging and resources to voters in more populated urban and suburban areas.

www.pennlive.com

 

[ATeam]

What will it take for the Dems to wise up and understand that their strategy is so toxic in those areas and change course? A massive landslide midterm loss? Frankly, they’ll likely still won’t learn their lesson and will continue to lose rural voters.

I think you're right. Even with them getting soundly trounced at the rural polls in November, the far-left fringe in the Democratic party will retain their zealous views. It won't be the zealous, far-left that saves the Democratic party from itself. If that is to happen, the centrists must rise.

The same situation exists in the Republican Party, only it's more amplified because the far-right zealots have poster-child Trump to rally behind and to be rallied by. In both parties, the extremists on their respective fringes have taken control of the party mechanisms. They did that by being more dedicated and energetic than the centrists who have other things to do than attend one backwater party meeting after another on low-profile dates, and thereby become the delegates that cast the votes at the party conventions where party policy is determined and candidates are endorsed.

In both parties, the extremists on their respective fringes are far more interested in gaining power and imposing their will than they are in supporting a democracy in which all citizens have an equal voice and vote, and can participate in free and fair elections, and thereby be heard.

I'm an independent and always have been. I watch with great interest as people de-register from political parties to join the ranks of independent voters. In many states, this shuts independents out from voting in party primaries, which allows the zealots to determine who their parties place on the ballots. But in general elections, the growing ranks of independents give me hope that the zealotry that so divides our country now will give way to kinder and more rational times in which the kinder and rational views prevail.

 

[Pilgrim]

Maybe they now know how it felt to be a Republican wearing a MAGA hat in many of the larger metro areas for the past several years. Of course this animosity was encouraged by the Democrats themselves, and accelerated with Obama's outright rejection of white, rural, middle class voters in his 2008 campaign strategy. Who can forget his infamous "bitter clingers" quote directed ironically at small towns in PA - made at a fundraiser for San Francisco party elites. Hillary followed that mega-gaffe with her own classic "Deplorables" insult directed at middle class Trump voters.

Now we have a Democrat dotard as POTUS, a senile sock-puppet for the Bernie Sanders socialists who've gained control of the party and both Houses of Congress. After one year of constant failure, middle America has had enough. They either stayed home or voted against Trump and his mean tweets in 2020. In 2022 they'll vote against Democrats in droves for their litany of failures. Looking forward to 2024, Republicans are going to have to give them something to vote for, and a candidate who can effectively deliver that message.

 

[ATeam]

After one year of constant failure, middle America has had enough. They either stayed home or voted against Trump and his mean tweets in 2020. In 2022 they'll vote against Democrats in droves for their litany of failures. Looking forward to 2024, Republicans are going to have to give them something to vote for, and a candidate who can effectively deliver that message.

It would be nice if both parties gave us candidates we could vote for instead of against. The problem is, negative campaigning works. All political operatives know that and they have become very good at it. It's not about the good of the country any more. It's about getting the peoiple to belive the other candidate is worse than yours.

 

[LDB]

The democrat party died in 1963. That was the last year of decent people who cared about the nation. There has been no democrat party since then and it only becomes more and more toxic.

 

[muttly]

The same situation exists in the Republican Party, only it's more amplified because the far-right zealots have poster-child Trump to rally behind and to be rallied by. In both parties, the extremists on their respective fringes have taken control of the party mechanisms. They did that by being more dedicated and energetic than the centrists who have other things to do than attend one backwater party meeting after another on low-profile dates, and thereby become the delegates that cast the votes at the party conventions where party policy is determined and candidates are endorsed.

Do you think that the people who voted for Trump represent “far right zealotry” because they endorse positions such as:

America first- jobs kept in this country, instead of exporting them.

Robust energy policy- Maximize energy rescources instead of restricting. Creating cheap prices for those resources and therefore more money in the pocket of consumers.

Pro Law Enforcement- Not defunding police so as to help keep streets safe.

Pro economic policy - that includes more jobs and increased wages for workers.

A Border security and immigration policy that creates higher wages for American workers instead of allowing illegal aliens to work those jobs and therefore driving down and keeping wages low.( which also impacts minorities more severely by glutting the job market with cheap labor )

Being against CRT in our schools that teaches children that they’re oppressors and oppressed and creates a grievance mentality with our young people, which will lead them to likely lash out and commit more crime.

Are those the “far right zealot” positions that you are talking about?
If not, could you name at least 3 positions that are?

 

[RLENT]

Democrat leadership’s out of touch policies with Rural America is causing a hemorrhaging of votes from them. And it’s only getting worse.

Nah ... it's more of an effective messaging operation by rightwing media ... even though the messaging operation is largely consists of false and misleading information.

What will it take for the Dems to wise up and understand that their strategy is so toxic in those areas and change course? A massive landslide midterm loss?

There is some evidence that some are wising up to the part rightwing messaging plays.

Frankly, they’ll likely still won’t learn their lesson and will continue to lose rural voters.

Whether they'll be effective in countering the messaging previously mentioned remains to be seen.

 

[danthewolf00]

No the Democrat leadership really is out of touch with the American people.
Reason I say this is look at Virginia.

 

[RLENT]

No the Democrat leadership really is out of touch with the American people.

No.

Reason I say this is look at Virginia.

That "purple" state swings back and forth between red and blue ?

Maybe YOU need to look at Virginia ...

Elections in Virginia

 

[danthewolf00]

I did look at Virginia....and the Democrats all thought the Democrat was going to win.....and he didn't.

 

[RLENT]

I did look at Virginia....and the Democrats all thought the Democrat was going to win.....and he didn't.

Inaccurate.

 

[muttly]

Inaccurate.

Virginia has been trending Democrat for the past several years. This is due mostly to the ever growing amount of public sector workers and contractors who live in northern Virginia/DC area. They have a vested interest in voting Democrat normally.
But a Republican winning this past election for Governor was a colossal failure by the Dems and a repudiation of their far left policies.

 

[RLENT]

Virginia has been trending Democrat for the past several years.

You didn't look at the link I provided either did you ?

This is due mostly to the ever growing amount of public sector workers and contractors who live in northern Virginia/DC area. They have a vested interest in voting Democrat normally.

That's your thoughts on it anyways.

One could make a similar case for Maryland, due having large numbers of public sector federal workers.

And yet it shows a similar pattern to VA:

Elections in Maryland

But a Republican winning this past election for Governor was a colossal failure by the Dems and a repudiation of their far left policies.

All losses in elections are, by their very nature, "colossal failures" ...



Now do Trump losing to Biden in 2020 ...

 

[muttly]

You didn't look at the link I provided either did you ?





That's your thoughts on it anyways.

One could make a similar case for Maryland, due having large numbers of public sector federal workers.

And yet it shows a similar pattern to VA:

Elections in Maryland



All losses in elections are, by their very nature, "colossal failures" ...



Now do Trump losing to Biden in 2020 ...

Colossal cheat.

 

[RLENT]

Colossal cheat.

Nope it wasn't ... and even Republicans are admitting that it wasn't.

 

[muttly]

You didn't look at the link I provided either did you ?





That's your thoughts on it anyways.

One could make a similar case for Maryland, due having large numbers of public sector federal workers.

And yet it shows a similar pattern to VA:

Elections in Maryland

Yes, I looked at the link. Virginia has been trending more Democrat in the Presidential elections ever since Obama won. It used to be a more Republican state that would on occasion vote for a Democratic Governor. But overall due to the reasons I listed before, it is growing Democrats sheerly because of Northern Va.
So it normally would be more and more difficult for a Republican win for Governor. But the Dems managed to muck up a relatively safe political win by having far left policies that turned away independents and even left some Dem voters scratching their heads about what they’re doing.