"The Era of Easy Money is Over"

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
I'm no fan of Robert Reich, former labor secretary under President Clinton, but he said something on the radio today that made good sense.


"Robert Reich: We may yet avoid a recession -- Bernanke and company may make bigger cuts in interest rates. Congress may enact a payroll tax holiday on the first $15,000 of income, as I've urged. But look beyond the business cycle and the consequences may be larger.

"For years now, America's middle class has lived beyond its paycheck. Middle-class lifestyles have flourished, even though median wages have barely budged. The reason is we've been able to borrow so, much so easily.

"With housing prices rising, home-equity loans have financed renovations and home improvements. With credit cards raining down like manna from heaven, we've bought plasma TVs, new appliances, vacations. With dollars artificially high because foreigners have held them, even as the nation sank deeper into debt, we could summon cheap goods and services from the rest of the world.

"But now the era of easy money is over. The housing bubble is bursting, and home equity is drying up. Credit card debt is next. Personal bankruptcies rose 48 percent in first half of 2007, likely even more in the second half -- which means a wave of credit-card defaults. If you think the trillion dollars in subprime mortgage debt carried by big banks is large, think of the record $915 billion Americans hold in credit card debt.

"Meanwhile, as foreigners begin shifting out of dollars, we'll no longer have access to cheap foreign goods and services. For starters, you can forget that long-awaited European vacation. The splurge is over, folks.

As the days of easy money come to an end, what will America look like? Maybe we'll see a recession in the short term. But more importantly, over the long term, the American middle class will have a truer understanding of what it can and cannot afford, a truer sense of what's really happened to its paychecks, and a more realistic view of where -- and to whom -- the economic gains of the last dozen years have actually gone."

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Source: NPR radio show, Marketplace

http://marketplace.publicradio.org/display/web/2007/11/14/reich_commentary/

Us baby boomers have always been the nation's trend setters. One good thing that may come out of this is a baby-boom fad of living within your means. It won't be about bankrupcy and giving up the ranch and toys. It will be about the new cool thing of low environmental impact living and quality of life.

Instead of trying to impress our friends with the speed boat we own or family ski vacations we take, it may be about the book clubs we are thrilled to be part of and the hunting lodge we own with others that is located a couple hundred miles away from the smaller-home neighborhood we recently moved into.

Short term for expediters, strong cash positions and no debt or little debt is looking smarter and smarter and smarter. The good news for expediters is we already know how to live in a truck. Cutting back to live within our means would be an easy transition by comparison.
 

jaminjim

Veteran Expediter
I think that is one of the reasons Dave says "cash is king", I will add that no debt is queen. Unfortunately I must be the jester.
 

RichM

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Charter Member
Sounds like a great future ",we already know how to live in a truck". Great way to spend the rest of your life.
 

cheri1122

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Driver
I would seriously question the assumption that the increase in personal bankruptcies is a direct result of people buying plasma tvs, expensive vacations, etc. I wonder whether those luxuries are purchased by folks who can pay for the credit card debt, and the bankruptcies are due to folks who are putting groceries, gasoline, medical/dental care, etc. on their credit cards.
Maybe the lesson to be learned is that when the cost of living goes up way faster than wages, (for the 'average' joe, not for those on top of the food chain) some folks will be forced to put neccessities on a credit card, eh? Or perhaps they should just do without the groceries, buy their clothing & household goods at Goodwill, and get used to it, huh?
Great example of "spin" here...
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
RE:

It is certainly a complicated issue. Cost of living is rising against stagnant wages for many. I don't think it is because they bought a plasma tv or a computer. The margin on those items pale in comparison to other issues.
The housing market has turned into a disaster because mortgage companies loaned money to folks with poor credit. Or sub prime lending. That percentage of people have a history of not paying anything off, or living beyond their means.

The majority are being effected by rising energy costs, food costs, taxes, and depending on age, health insurance costs.
That is the bigger issue. If you look at what is on those charge cards, it isn't televisions, it is payments for the day to day living items. A lot of those costs are still there whether you live in a truck or not.
Keep in mind that the largest US employer is Walmart. Put that pay against those above items and you have your answer.

Jim is right, I still think "Cash is King"










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ATeam

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Retired Expediter
RE:

When I said expediters already know how to live in a truck, I did not mean to suggest that living in a truck is the future. I meant that because expediters know how to live in a truck, which is a spartan existence, cutting back on household size and lifestyle would be relatively easy for expediters to do; if cutting back becomes the "in" thing or the necessary thing to do.

In 1970, the average size of a newly-built home was 1,500 square feet. Today, it is 2,300 square feet. Once upon a time, you did not need to have a family room and rec room and a two or three car garage to be middle class. Maybe that day will return. If it does, 1,500 square feet can be quite happily occupied by expediters who know how to live in a a fraction of that space in a truck.
 

arkjarhead

Veteran Expediter
RE:

The problem with wages is this everytime minumim wage goes up so does everthing else. It's like a hamster wheel. We are running faster and faster but getting no where.
 

Paul56

Seasoned Expediter
Bankruptcy can happen to anyone. The only difference is that some arrive into the state faster than others.

Cutting back can help but more often than not this happens far too late and not nearly aggressive enough to make any difference.

The "hole" was unknowingly dug long ago with a series of decisions that seemed right at the time... and so given the right collection of circumstances the situation plays itself out to the conclusion: bankruptcy.

Those who have to spend one... perhaps two weeks of each month just working to meet the obligations are in the most trouble when the expenses start rising while at the same time the revenue sources start to dry up.
 

cheri1122

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Driver
RE:

Driving solo in a truck that doesn't even remotely qualify as an 'apartment on wheels', how exactly would one cut back on household size, or lifestyle?
The whole basic assumption that people are spending recklessly on luxuries, is what gets me seeing red. I mean, hello? Anyone notice how many jobs are gone the last 10 years? Or thought about what has taken the place of what used to be an essential part of The American Dream: a job that pays enough to live a modest, but fulfilling life, that includes home ownership?
How much of a house can anyone afford, on a WalMart greeter's income?
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
OK Another doom and gloom prediction. God, I am bored this morning.

Sorry Kiddies this is a bit more complicated than what they said but if we follow the advice of Reich in the past, we will dump the economy into the abyss. And seeing his “Congress may enact a payroll tax holiday on the first $15,000 of income, as I've urged.†comment, brings to mind this is what bush did when he got into office and his encouraging of spending after 9/11. Nothing new here and it wasn’t his idea to begin with.

I am afraid if any democrat gets into office, the taxes will be raised and we will see more of a mess of this country than we have right now. Taxes are part of the problem but not the problem, yet.

We can go on and try to analysis things to get a grasp on it all but there are two major things driving our economic problems, the lowering of real interest rates, and the fact that our savings is less than that of Somalia (per capita). Both of these combined are very important and it seems that when we become concern with market adjustments, like the housing market or the stock market, and try to correct a correction, then this is where we get into more trouble.

There is another problem, skewed reporting of the numbers. I will not delve into this much other than the GDP/CPI and other numbers are really skewed by some corrections that are made when computing them. I have been told this a lot in my education but never saw one location that discusses this until now – http://www.shadowstats.com

The housing market has been and continues to be the focus on everything but that is not our real problem. It is going through a real adjustment and there is a serious ripple effect, many economists are following one of the many Harvard theories out there that any adjustment of your house’s value affects your neighbor’s house by $5000. This is deflation in the market but it is offset by still an increase in fuel and other commodities and gains in other markets.

There are serious fears that we are starting to see the start of a serious depression, not a recession but a depression and this depression is not like the great depression of the 1930’s but rather a hyper-inflation depression like the mid-70’s recession. The one thing that we have is too much printed money in circulation because of a lack of savings and that is what is driving the value of the dollar down. The feds won’t raise interest rates, won’t pull back the money into the reserves (or stop printing it) and won’t stay out of the mortgage game – they are making it worst by intervention.

In addition to this, we do carry the highest debt of any nation, national debt from $1T to $9T in 25 years, personal debt being the highest ever and even stupid parents pushing fiscal irresponsibility by allow their kids to get credit card at 16 all allows the money to flow feely. Countries like China, which they can’t just dump our money without crashing their economy shift the dollars through asset purchases here in the US. China has bought up a lot of our debt and with interest rates going down, they need to recoup their investment somehow, so let’s buy GE (or what ever). They also have another problem, the US economy is still strong in many ways and the per capita wealth is still the highest in the world but China ranks somewhere in the 90’s on the list of real wealth per capita when it comes down to it, leaving them with 2% of their population having the wealth compared to us with the poorest segment of our population being a self-defined poor (only in America can poor people have cars and TVs and credit cards). The point is we won’t see a mass dumping of the American dollar any time soon, we will however see purchases of our assets to being the dollar home.

There are a few solutions for what we are going through. Real tax reform is one thing that I and many others say will solve 80% of the problems. I got a really interesting letter from my representative in Washington about the introduction of bills to eliminate the IRS and move toward another tax system.

For those who don’t understand why our tax system is a poor one, we have the most punitive tax system in the world – even the soviets were not this punishing to businesses and individuals alike. Most countries have a tax system and government that works with the private sector to help them, but not here. With the IRS in place, we stifle innovation, true progressive thinking is stopped and the IRS truly messes with small businesses – the backbone of the country. We base our business and personal decisions around tax policies, not what is good for us. I promote the Fair Tax, a really good idea (may not be the perfect system but it is so far better than what we have, we have nothing to lose in trying it) but it seems that no one will read the Fair Tax book or attempt to understand it, they listen to the detractors of it instead of trying to figure out how simple it is, so it seems people are lazy. On the political front, if one candidate would stand up and say they support the Fair Tax, they would win the white house. It seems to me that personal finances drive elections, not wars or class warfare.

I can go on but I got to get back to bed. The thing is no one seems to think that we can have another depression; many think that we will have a recession while still others have no clue. The country needs a real disaster to pull us out of our denial, my generation (the last part of the baby boomers) never had to deal with any real problems, we missed the draft (which I hear many vets are saying that needs to come back if we want to stay strong), we missed the mid-70’s oil crisis and but most of the baby boomers have never had to deal with any economic crisis at all. My grandparents lived through three really serious depressions; the worst was the 1907 for them. My parents lived through one depression and 3 really bad recessions but all of them knew what it would take to survive and we should look at those lessons they learned to survive through it all.

“When I said expediters already know how to live in a truck, I did not mean to suggest that living in a truck is the future. I meant that because expediters know how to live in a truck, which is a Spartan existence, cutting back on household size and lifestyle would be relatively easy for expediters to do; if cutting back becomes the "in" thing or the necessary thing to do.â€

Phil,
I agree with you with this but Spartan living? Come on with these apartments on wheels going out the door as fast as they are, this is RV living style that many are dealing with not real Spartan living. I think that 5% of all of us live like I do, in a box without the frills or conveniences, pinching pennies to make ends meet. Give you an example, I buy distilled water by the gallon and than refill my water bottles (after washing them) I spend .64¢ on a gallon of water instead of $1.10 a bottle (if individually bought) – saving a lot of money. Many will not be that frugal to survive if there is a big crash. Albeit I do admit you are correct in your thinking we do have an advantage, but how many would live like every penny counts?
 

hedgehog

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Owner/Operator
I attended an economics/labor mgt seminar in the early 90s. This was sponsored by Loyola Univ. in Chicago.

The Jesuit professor that was lecturing said that the American way of life would change dramatically within the next 30-40 years.

He pointed out that America, like it or not, is being forced into the world's work force and economy.

And, it would take 30-40 years for our standard of living to decline, while waiting for the rest of the world's cheap labor force to strike an even balance.

He was right. Our high paying mfg jobs and even many tech jobs have since been outsourced to cheaper labor. (i.e., Mexico, India, China)

Until our labor force can match what foreign countries can produce at a much cheaper price, we will continue to slide towards a third world life style while watching them steal our economic strength. (Or, what is left of it.)

Be safe.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
hedgehog,

one thing that some have pointed to is the fact that our productivity is still very high. But wages are only a small part of the picture. If you look at the cost of producing something or providing a service here and over there, the wages are a small mitigating factor when the decisions are made, the taxes and flexibility are the keys to outsourcing and always has been.

Don't forget one big reason that companies outsource is because of taxes, just like carriers use contractors, companies outsource to all kinds of vendors (both domestic and foreign) to lessen their tax burden and using contractors, there is a direct write off.

In the case of flexibility, we don't utilize our workforce to be flexible, the tax system prevents us from having the ability to update manufacturing to the company's need by being like the Japanese with their short life machine lifecycle.
 

louixo

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Charter Member
Holy Moly Batman! What is this, the DOOM AND GLOOM PAGE? I never saw so much negativity. Today`s scenario with alot of similarities, took place in the 80's. Remember the big credit crunch of the 80`s? Then the big player vs. the USA was Japan, and the competitive currency was the yen. Now it`s China and their yuan. The only difference between then and now is that it`s a little more complicated today, and decisions on the world stage more delicate. Economists can`t agree on anything, so they forecast. If you polled today`s leading economic forecasters, you will see that they are pretty much in agreement that the dollar will and should go lower. Look around you..here in the USA the job market is strong,exports are booming, and the trade balance is lessening. It`s just an adjustment period. Do you actually thing that Uncle Sam is going to let the dollar go in the dumper!!?? Never happen!
The liberal media wants the public to think that, and for the moment they are succeeding. Don`t forget, we`re going into an election. If the politicos can scare you, and convince you they have a solution to the "perceived" problem, then you`ll vote for them.

There is no reliable method available to forecast exchange rates. Paul Krugman and Maurice Obstfeld write in their book "International Economics: Theory and Policy" (New York, HarperCollins:1994):
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
There is only one problem with this louixo, the Chinese Yuan is not really traded openly like the yen and the dollar and everyone has asked China to revalue the Yuan but refuses to do it. We are not seeing China asking us to revalue our currency by the way like Reagan did in the 80's.

No one has ever predicted forex markets, which is just like the stock market - emotionally driven.

I think that there are better times ahead of us, the positive attitude will beat all the doom and gloom but until we stop hearing this doom and gloom stuff or that we need to tax more, we are being beaten down (emotionally) to the point that it is like politics - no one cares.

I stand by the Fair Tax as a solution for a lot of our problems, I feel that my teachers, who were involved with politics as much as economics are right - taxing labor is the only way to bring a country down.

If you honestly want to see the country get better, the investment of our companies in our work force, the relief from health care cost, and a simplification of investments and retirement - check out the site -
http://www.fairtax.org
 

tmbm

Seasoned Expediter
RE:

I agree with Greg that our tax system is a big problem. If we don't go with the "fair tax" plan, at least a flat rate tax. But wait, then the government would have to get rid of 90% of the IRS or dissolve it entirely. We can (and should) blame the government for hundreds of problems, on the other hand slowly, steadily over time, we have allowed it. We need to get back to the constitution, put more control at the state and local level, and shrink the federal government significantly. The federal government is out of control, and as long as we remain a 2 party system it will continue in the same rut of swinging the pendulum by trying to over correct everything. Don't think the government is going to fix anything, actually they screw up just about everything they try to fix. Other than the USPS, what does the federal government do efficiently? Social Security, Welfare, Highway Trust Fund, or maybe keeping a balanced budget? This started out as are we headed for a recession? yes. depression? possibly. Is/can the government fix it? yeah, I'm counting on that, like I'm counting on SS to be there when I retire. Can I do anything to make going thru this time more tolerable? you betcha. Credit cards already gone, working on paying off vehicles, and realizing just because big brother doesn't know how to budget and save doesn't mean I can't. People need to get back to living within their means. If your household income is $40,000 a year, don’t go buy a $200,000 dollar home, just because the mortgage broker said you can afford it. Don’t go buy that $30,000 new car, because you brother (who makes $200,000 yr) says he likes his and it’s “coolâ€. We know the government has no common sense, has lost all sense of responsibility, and has very little integrity. Why then, if we're so unhappy with the way the government does things, do we want to follow in the same footsteps?
 

Broompilot

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And all that Borrowed MONEY,,, WAS TAX FREE, so now pay it back with fewer dollars that will be TAXED........

I just spoke with a guy at the Y today. Was offered a credit card last year 0 % intrest. Than he had a business opportunity and exteneded his limit.

22% on all the balance 20K thats $4,400 in intrest alone for one dumb decision.

To top that off the merchandise he sells is high end sun glasses from Italian designers. Probably pays $100 a piece sells them to retail stores for $150.00 and they sell them for $400. Now with sinking dollars he has to pay $150.00 putting his business in what?

Wow and this was just the tip of the ice berg I am sure.

Smart Guy got just a little to Greedy?.
 
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