Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

EnglishLady

Veteran Expediter
AP Feb 20

AUSTIN, Texas – Texas is preparing to give college students and professors the right to carry guns on campus, adding momentum to a national campaign to open this part of society to firearms.

More than half the members of the Texas House have signed on as co-authors of a measure directing universities to allow concealed handguns. The Senate passed a similar bill in 2009 and is expected to do so again. Republican Gov. Rick Perry, who sometimes packs a pistol when he jogs, has said he's in favor of the idea.

Texas has become a prime battleground for the issue because of its gun culture and its size, with 38 public universities and more than 500,000 students. It would become the second state, following Utah, to pass such a broad-based law. Colorado gives colleges the option and several have allowed handguns.

Supporters of the legislation argue that gun violence on campuses, such as the mass shootings at Virginia Tech in 2007 and Northern Illinois in 2008, show that the best defense against a gunman is students who can shoot back.

"It's strictly a matter of self-defense," said state Sen. Jeff Wentworth, R-San Antonio. "I don't ever want to see repeated on a Texas college campus what happened at Virginia Tech, where some deranged, suicidal madman goes into a building and is able to pick off totally defenseless kids like sitting ducks."

Until the Virginia Tech incident, the worst college shooting in U.S. history occurred at the University of Texas, when sniper Charles Whitman went to the top of the administration tower in 1966 and killed 16 people and wounded dozens. Last September, a University of Texas student fired several shots from an assault rifle before killing himself.

Similar firearms measures have been proposed in about a dozen other states, but all face strong opposition, especially from college leaders. In Oklahoma, all 25 public college and university presidents declared their opposition to a concealed carry proposal.

"There is no scenario where allowing concealed weapons on college campuses will do anything other than create a more dangerous environment for students, faculty, staff and visitors," Oklahoma Chancellor of Higher Education Glen Johnson said in January.

University of Texas President William Powers has opposed concealed handguns on campus, saying the mix of students, guns and campus parties is too volatile.

Guns occupy a special place in Texas culture. Politicians often tout owning a gun as essential to being Texan. Concealed handgun license holders are allowed to skip the metal detectors that scan Capitol visitors for guns, knives and other contraband.

Guns on campus bills have been rejected in 23 states since 2007, but gun control activists acknowledge it will be difficult to stop the Texas bill from passing this year. "Things do look bleak," said Colin Goddard, assistant director of federal legislation for the Brady Campaign Against Gun Violence, who was in Austin recently to lobby against the Texas bills.

Goddard was a student at Virginia Tech when he was shot four times in his French class. Student Seung-Hui Cho killed 32 people, including 10 in Goddard's classroom, before shooting himself. Goddard dismisses the idea that another student with a gun could have stopped the killer.

"People tell me that if they would have been there, they would have shot that guy. That offends me," Goddard said. "People want to be the hero, I understand that. They play video games and they think they understand the reality. It's nothing like that."

But Derek Titus, a senior at Texas A&M who has a state license to carry a concealed handgun, said someone with a gun that day could have improved the chances of survival.

"Gun-free zones are shooting galleries for the mass murderers," Titus said. "We do not feel that we must rely on the police or security forces to defend our lives."

Texas enacted its concealed handgun law in 1995, allowing people 21 or older to carry weapons if they pass a training course and a background check. The state had 461,724 license holders as of Dec. 31, according to the state Department of Public Safety.

Businesses, schools and churches can set rules banning guns on their premises. On college campuses, guns are prohibited in buildings, dorms and certain grounds around them.

Opponents of campus gun rights say students and faculty would live in fear of their classmates and colleagues, not knowing who might pull a gun over a poor grade, a broken romance or a drunken fraternity argument.

Frankie Shulkin, a first-year law student at the University of Texas, said he doesn't think he'd feel safer if other students in his classes had guns.

"If I was taking an exam and knew the person next to me had one, I don't know how comfortable I would feel," Shulkin said. "I am in favor of guns rights and your typical conservative guy, but the classroom thing bugs me."

Wentworth said he heard the "blood on the streets" warnings when Texas first passed the concealed handgun law. "They said we'd have shootouts at every intersection," he said. "None of that has happened."
 

skyraider

Veteran Expediter
US Navy
AP Feb 20

AUSTIN, Texas – Texas is preparing to give college students and professors the right to carry guns on campus, adding momentum to a national campaign to open this part of society to firearms.

More than half the members of the Texas House have signed on as co-authors of a measure directing universities to allow concealed handguns. The Senate passed a similar bill in 2009 and is expected to do so again. Republican Gov. Rick Perry, who sometimes packs a pistol when he jogs, has said he's in favor of the idea.

Texas has become a prime battleground for the issue because of its gun culture and its size, with 38 public universities and more than 500,000 students. It would become the second state, following Utah, to pass such a broad-based law. Colorado gives colleges the option and several have allowed handguns.

Supporters of the legislation argue that gun violence on campuses, such as the mass shootings at Virginia Tech in 2007 and Northern Illinois in 2008, show that the best defense against a gunman is students who can shoot back.

"It's strictly a matter of self-defense," said state Sen. Jeff Wentworth, R-San Antonio. "I don't ever want to see repeated on a Texas college campus what happened at Virginia Tech, where some deranged, suicidal madman goes into a building and is able to pick off totally defenseless kids like sitting ducks."

Until the Virginia Tech incident, the worst college shooting in U.S. history occurred at the University of Texas, when sniper Charles Whitman went to the top of the administration tower in 1966 and killed 16 people and wounded dozens. Last September, a University of Texas student fired several shots from an assault rifle before killing himself.

Similar firearms measures have been proposed in about a dozen other states, but all face strong opposition, especially from college leaders. In Oklahoma, all 25 public college and university presidents declared their opposition to a concealed carry proposal.

"There is no scenario where allowing concealed weapons on college campuses will do anything other than create a more dangerous environment for students, faculty, staff and visitors," Oklahoma Chancellor of Higher Education Glen Johnson said in January.

University of Texas President William Powers has opposed concealed handguns on campus, saying the mix of students, guns and campus parties is too volatile.

Guns occupy a special place in Texas culture. Politicians often tout owning a gun as essential to being Texan. Concealed handgun license holders are allowed to skip the metal detectors that scan Capitol visitors for guns, knives and other contraband.

Guns on campus bills have been rejected in 23 states since 2007, but gun control activists acknowledge it will be difficult to stop the Texas bill from passing this year. "Things do look bleak," said Colin Goddard, assistant director of federal legislation for the Brady Campaign Against Gun Violence, who was in Austin recently to lobby against the Texas bills.

Goddard was a student at Virginia Tech when he was shot four times in his French class. Student Seung-Hui Cho killed 32 people, including 10 in Goddard's classroom, before shooting himself. Goddard dismisses the idea that another student with a gun could have stopped the killer.

"People tell me that if they would have been there, they would have shot that guy. That offends me," Goddard said. "People want to be the hero, I understand that. They play video games and they think they understand the reality. It's nothing like that."

But Derek Titus, a senior at Texas A&M who has a state license to carry a concealed handgun, said someone with a gun that day could have improved the chances of survival.

"Gun-free zones are shooting galleries for the mass murderers," Titus said. "We do not feel that we must rely on the police or security forces to defend our lives."

Texas enacted its concealed handgun law in 1995, allowing people 21 or older to carry weapons if they pass a training course and a background check. The state had 461,724 license holders as of Dec. 31, according to the state Department of Public Safety.

Businesses, schools and churches can set rules banning guns on their premises. On college campuses, guns are prohibited in buildings, dorms and certain grounds around them.

Opponents of campus gun rights say students and faculty would live in fear of their classmates and colleagues, not knowing who might pull a gun over a poor grade, a broken romance or a drunken fraternity argument.

Frankie Shulkin, a first-year law student at the University of Texas, said he doesn't think he'd feel safer if other students in his classes had guns.

"If I was taking an exam and knew the person next to me had one, I don't know how comfortable I would feel," Shulkin said. "I am in favor of guns rights and your typical conservative guy, but the classroom thing bugs me."

Wentworth said he heard the "blood on the streets" warnings when Texas first passed the concealed handgun law. "They said we'd have shootouts at every intersection," he said. "None of that has happened."

Sure would make professors think twice before being a jerk in class knowing many of the students would be carrying a Glock 40 cal or a 44 magnum,,lets do it.......................:eek:PS Texas aint for sissys.
 

Pilgrim

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Probably won't make that much difference - a significant number of them likely have guns in their apartments or houses already.
 

ChrisGa23

Expert Expediter
I applaud them for trying to pass this. These gun free safe zones are killing grounds for innocent people. This gives the right for the staff and students to protect themselves. I hope other states follow and do the same

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greg334

Veteran Expediter
We treat adults as children, when they should be treated as adults.

When do we let kids grow up and be adults.

This seems to be illustrated with some political parties and 'activist' needing them to be adults when there is voting but otherwise they are incapable of defending themselves and treated as Adults.
 

Dreamer

Administrator Emeritus
Charter Member
It amazes me how people seem to think that because someone has a CCW they're gonna be gangsta's, shooting wildly at every disagreement. Professors will be more careful? Why? Newsflash... I think you will find most CCW holders are the most law-abiding citizens out there. They want to protect their license, and won't throw it away because "you looked at me wrong". That's gangbanger mentality.... "gimme any reason to draw"

People I know who carry are prepared to use their weapon... but hope they never have to.

Dale



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greg334

Veteran Expediter
Dale I agree with most of that but the problem is the perception by most of the people in this country who have grown up in an environment that either they are taught that they shouldn't be inquisitive or just follow the leader/experts.

One of the worst comments but the best to illustrate the stupidity of people is this one from a forum/blog I belong to;

'The question isn't if one is to protest themselves but rather who is going to protect others from that one person. It they drop their gun and it goes off or it goes off while they are bending down to pick something up, the person they hurt or kill doesn't justify allowing them to be able to have that gun in the first place' - not verbatim.

The writer, who has a PhD, DO and is an doctor at a Major SF hospital and has never handled a weapon, didn't understand that guns just don't go off by themselves (except French ones) and that most people are responsible enough to take the safegaurds to prevent someone to get hurt. He sees in his daily work the outcome of Gun Shot Wounds and other things but many of the excuses he has heard has been excuses - one he repeated was the amount of accidents by people who are cleaning their weapon. Fortunately one of the SF finest who is also a member of that forum/blog offered to teach him what this is really all about.

NOW with that said, there is a need to ask what I posted - when do we stop treating Adults as Children. IF we are to believe that people are 100% responsible for themselves at 18, with the right to vote and so one, than they are also responsible to carry a firearm with no restrictions on a public campus.

Oh and one last thing, being prepared doesn't equate into being able.
 

Dreamer

Administrator Emeritus
Charter Member
So true...prepared vs able.....

and then there are those idiots who carry unloaded, or blanks.... because "I couldnt shoot someone, I just wanna scare 'em off"


Well, the 'bad guy with gun' don't know you got blanks! If not prepared and able to shoot.... don't carry...

Dale

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AMonger

Veteran Expediter
We treat adults as children, when they should be treated as adults.

When do we let kids grow up and be adults.

This seems to be illustrated with some political parties and 'activist' needing them to be adults when there is voting but otherwise they are incapable of defending themselves and treated as Adults.

Funny...we treat adults as children, but we've got to make sure little Johnny and Susie know about condoms and anal sex in 1st grade...
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
No reason at all to not pass it other than worthless and unworthy liberal morons like Colin Goddard. What an idiot.
 
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