Tea party cry ironic given history of ancestors

[Ragman]

and jewelery stores...

Yep - No racism anywhere.

 

[greg334]

and jewelery stores...

No OVM, pawn shops.

 

[dieseldiva]

Reverse racism is a cute play on words. Racism is racism, plain and simple.

You and I may believe that but there's a lot of people that don't believe you can be a member of a minority and be a racist.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

No OVM, pawn shops.

and the blacks go to the pawn shops with the stolen goods...

 

[dieseldiva]

Actually I think there is more of an issue with the author not having a grip on reality more than anything else. Maybe she has a serious identity crisis?

As for true racism, where in the H*ll is it?

Prejudice and discrimination IS racism, maybe I should have used those words instead. The things that she said about the tea party people, I believe, show prejudice. The article as a whole has an overtone of prejudice against the white race.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Prejudice and discrimination IS racism, maybe I should have used those words instead. The things that she said about the tea party people, I believe, show prejudice. The article as a whole has an overtone of prejudice against the white race.

well one deserves the other, I suppose...

 

[Critter Truckin]

Just like I don't truly believe all members of the Black Panthers were/are racist, all members of the modern Tea Party aren't. Some people joined their various parties/groups for different reasons.

That being said, there are truly racist (for various reasons) groups all over the world. KKK, neo-Nazis (those effin screw-ups don't know the meaning of the word 'Nazi') and the like are alive and kicking all over the place. But the media will continue to focus in on the larger ones that appear to be made up of one certain race, while in fact, the Tea Party is made up of somewhere around 10-15% minority races.

 

[Ragman]

and the blacks go to the pawn shops with the stolen goods...

Stolen from lazy mexicans.

 

[greg334]

Prejudice and discrimination IS racism, maybe I should have used those words instead.

Actually not really.

Prejudice is a preconceived notion about someone based on a number of factors - sometimes it is just simply the way the person parts their hair.

Discrimination is an action, for example I refuse to wait on white people who look gay. That's a discriminatory action.

Racism is an overused and mis-defined term, it means that you feel superior to another because of their race.

Racist can be a bad word but on the other hand, outside of white and black supremest groups, we have used racism as a good word - can we say hijacked eugenics?

Up until the 1980's, we still had a feeling of superiority among the races, and used eugenics as one way of justifying our racism.

Reverse Racism seems to mean people are loving and accept everyone. Regardless, racism is not defined as anything to do with a specific race, American blacks are racist as much as European whites are and so on. Reverse racism simply does not exists because we are not talking about people who are not capable of having any prejudices, hence racism exists in all of us if we let it.

The right word here seems to be excluded - bigot. To pull the definition from Wiki;

A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one exhibiting intolerance, irrationality, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs.

I think that is what seems to be a correct word to use for most.

The things that she said about the tea party people, I believe, show prejudice. The article as a whole has an overtone of prejudice against the white race.

Yes it surely does and yes the entire article reeks of not just that but bigotry.

Now with that said, where are we seeing racism happen?

I don't see it.

I could say if we have whites only buses, yea that can be a place to put that tag but having someone look at you differently, not serving you or even not renting to you is not racist.

 

[chefdennis]

Greg wrote:

Now with that said, where are we seeing racism happen?

I don't see it.

I could say if we have whites only buses, yea that can be a place to put that tag but having someone look at you differently, not serving you or even not renting to you is not racist.

So if YOU don't see it , it doesn't exist?? HMMM.. I guess these people just don't know what they are talking about or living.....

Racism:

Miss. Middle School Bars Black Students From Running For Class President

At Nettleton Middle School, Student Government Posts Were Assigned by Race

By RUSSELL GOLDMAN
Aug 27, 2010
Miss. Middle School Reverses Policy Barring Blacks From Running For Class President - ABC News

After 30 years of barring black students from running for class president, a Mississippi public middle school, reversed a Jim Crow era policy today and announced students of all races would be allowed to run for student government.

Students at Nettleton Middle School looking to run for class president, previously needed to maintain a B average, obtain 10 signatures from their classmates – and be white.

Rules issued last week outlined the school's rules for seeking office. Students could run for president, vice president, secretary-treasurer and reporter, but some positions were off-limits depending on race.

In all three grades, only white students could run for president. In eighth grade black students could run for vice president and reporter. In seventh grade blacks could only run for secretary-treasurer, and in sixth grade only for reporter.

There were no assigned positions for students of other races and no mention of students who are mixed race.

The policy, a holdover from late 1960s desegregation orders, is one of several school district policies that smack of Jim Crow, including crowning separate black and white homecoming and prom queens in high school.

After a story ran on ABCNews.com and repeated calls to the school board and administrators, Nettleton superintendent Russell Taylor issued a statement revoking the policy.

"After being notified of a grievance regarding upcoming student elections at Nettleton Middle School, research was conducted that evidenced that the current practices and procedures for student elections have existed for over 30 years. It is the belief of the current administration that these procedures were implemented to help ensure minority representation and involvement in the student body," read the statement.

"[T]he Nettleton School District acknowledges and embraces the fact that we are growing in ethnic diversity and that the classifications of Caucasian and African-American no longer reflect our entire student body...Therefore, beginning immediately, student elections at Nettleton School District will no longer have a classification of ethnicity. It is our intent that each student has equal opportunity to seek election for any student office. Future student elections will be monitored to help ensure that this change in process and procedure does not adversely affect minority representation in student elections," read the statement.

The middle school election rules,were brought to the public's attention when the mother of a mixed race sixth grader went online to complain that her daughter could not run for reporter because she wasn't black.

Brandy Springer's daughter, a sixth grader of mixed white and Native American heritage said the 12-year-old girl came home distraught that she would not be allowed to run for reporter-–a position slated only for black students.

Springer, who recently moved to Mississippi from Florida, has another son of mixed white and Native American heritage and two younger children, who are mixed white and African American, and said she was shocked by the policy.

"The principal told me this was court-ordered in 1969. I just kept saying, 'I don't think you're executing the order the way it was intended.' To me this is the definition of segregation. If you're black you can never be class president," she said.

Springer said one administrator told her students of mixed heritage had to run in the race designation of their mothers, because "minority fathers usually weren't in the home anyway."

Another teacher, she said, told her mixed race students simply were not permitted to run for office.

The school's principal who is black and the district superintendent who is white would not comment for this story.

Two of the school's four administrators are black. One of the school board's five members is black, the others are white.

More than 70 percent of the district's students are white.

A source who works for the school district but requested anonymity because she feared reprisals for talking to the media said the board would likely reverse the policy today as a result of national media attention.

The source said the policy was a reflection of the district's deep-seated "racism" and not simply a misguided attempt to ensure black students were included in student government.

"I don't think they were trying to do the right thing," said the source. "They were doing it to try to keep Caucasians in the upper level and minorities in the lower level. I don't think they were doing it just to try to give minorities a part. If that was the case they wouldn't bar blacks from being president."

"It is still racist. It's just black and white. Where do Asians and Hispanics fit it?"

The source said only a handful of teachers in the district near the state's border with Alabama were black, the high school cheerleading team was exclusively white and black students were disproportionately punished for violations of school rules.

A document obtained by ABC News indicates that at the district's high school, both a black and white homecoming queen are crowned. "That's because there are some people who still believe a black girl can't represent the school," said the source.

There was no mention in Taylor's statement today about ending the practice of crowning black and white queens.

Nsombi Lambright, executive director of the Mississippi branch of the ACLU, said there are "certain small pockets of the state where there continue to be majority white school populations where remnants of Jim Crow remain on the books. Some school continue to have separate proms and homecoming courts. They've never been challenged or forced to become more equitable."

 

[Pilgrim]

Nsombi Lambright, executive director of the Mississippi branch of the ACLU, said there are "certain small pockets of the state where there continue to be majority white school populations where remnants of Jim Crow remain on the books. Some school continue to have separate proms and homecoming courts. They've never been challenged or forced to become more equitable."

You can always depend on the Deep South when looking for examples of racism. Maybe these people ought to examine "certain not-so-small pockets" of just about any major metropolitan area to find racism on a major scale. Everyone is familiar with these sections of Detroit, Atlanta, NYC, Cleveland, etc; sections of cities where no white person dares to go for fear of his life. Areas controlled by street gangs where even the cops are reluctant to enter. The crime and violence in some of these areas are worse than conditions in Bagdad and Falluja, yet the local politicians and lawmakers are satisfied with maintaining the status quo because any major effort to go in and clean up these pestholes would be considered racist. Not so with these "certain small pockets" of Miss. - if the ACLU gets wind of some Jim Crow nonsense going on, the feds will descend on them like white on rice and start locking up those corrupt rednecks to make sure there's racial equality. But just up the road in Memphis the pimps and drug dealers continue to strut their stuff and the cycle of poverty and crime in these black enclaves continues because the population in general has grown to accept it as normal.

 

[Turtle]

Absolutely. By and large, the South is far less racist than other parts of the country. There are some areas of the South, where historical racial battles were fought, like Memphis, Montgomery, Selma, where there is still some animosity. Memphis is one of the most racist places I know. Well, other than Detroit. Memphis can't hold a candle to Detroit. But for the most part racism down south isn't much of an issue anymore. People have more important things to worry about.

 

[greg334]

People have more important things to worry about... exactly.

I think, may be it is me ... Detroit is the most racist city in the country but by no means the racism is what people would think as the past. Bigotry and discrimination happens and in many different ways at many different levels and the Mayor Young days are still with us.

Those two examples are good but that's not what I am getting at. I don't hear much of the real discrimination based on race as I did in the 70's, nor do I hear the bigotry outside of the fringe.

Let me rephrase the question - where is the institutionalized racism at, I can not find it.

 

[highway star]

Detroit? Try spending some time in Alpena. I swear, some of those morons still have scrap marks from dragging their knuckles. I'm surprised I haven't found white and colored drinking fountains.

 

[chefdennis]

Institutional Racism in the US Health Care System

Institutional Racism in the US Health Care System

In 1999, the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights reported to the President and the Congress that: "[The Government’s] failure to recognize and eliminate [racial] differences in health care delivery, financing, and research presents a discriminatory barrier that creates and perpetuates differences in health status." Racial discrimination in health care manifests itself in many different ways including:

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While I don't agree, most Libs will tell us that Arizona's recently passed immigration law is "institutional racism'....the "State of Arizona against the illegals from Mexico"...

 

[Turtle]

Let me rephrase the question - where is the institutionalized racism at, I can not find it.

Well, that kind of structured racism doesn't exist anymore. The whites and colored drinking fountains, sit at the back of the bus, you can't go to school here type stuff is long gone.

Now it's more under the surface, an insidious simmering racism (in some people) that affects how people act and react to different things on a personal level.

The link that Chef provided is a report that is just about as biased as it gets. What that reports calls for is hospitals and doctors to provide top-of-the-line health care even if they have to lose money to do so, simply because there are some white people can afford top-of-the-line health care. Some of the statements are just plain wrong, such as institutional racism has caused less education and less educational opportunities within minorities. The first part is true, institutional racism did, and has, resulted in less education for minorities. But that is no longer the case. Hasn't been for may decades. Minorities have the same exact educational opportunities as anyone else.

The cumulative effect of institutional racism, past, not present, has absolutely resulted in some of the disparities we see today. The only way to fix that is not to have things equal for all, but with the aims of Affirmative Action to have some people a little more equal than others. That's a fact. But you can't just say that because there are some inequities and disparities in health care and career choices between minors and non-minors that were caused by now-defunct institutional racism, that therefor institutional racism still exists and must be remedied by giving people stuff for free. Sorry. You wanted equality, you got it, not go earn it, just like the rest of us. Many minorities are doing just that, every day.

 

[AMonger]

exactly,,it is what it is....and it does exist....

Ok, I guess I'll confess...

I'm an anti-dentite.

 

[Freightdawg]

Absolutely. By and large, the South is far less racist than other parts of the country. There are some areas of the South, where historical racial battles were fought, like Memphis, Montgomery, Selma, where there is still some animosity. Memphis is one of the most racist places I know. Well, other than Detroit. Memphis can't hold a candle to Detroit. But for the most part racism down south isn't much of an issue anymore. People have more important things to worry about.

I was in the 6th grade when we merged the black and white schools. It was really not a really a big deal. Maybe the fact that football was and is a big deal here in the south helped. We just had more folks for our football team. The funny times were when us backward, racist southerners watched the violence in Boston over the bussing!

 

[Turtle]

For me it was the 7th grade, in Cincinnati, when two all-black schools (Woodlawn and Lincoln Heights) were merged with my [mostly] all white school (Princeton). Overnight we became a major football and basketball power in the state (those Moeller pukes notwithstanding). There were a few racial incidents we heard about over at the high school, but they were rare. Down in the Middle School we didn't care. We were more worried about figuring out a way to walk down the halls between classes while holding our books down in front of us so that no one would know that our pants fit really funny all of a sudden.

 

[Freightdawg]

Down in the Middle School we didn't care. We were more worried about figuring out a way to walk down the halls between classes while holding our books down in front of us so that no one would know that our pants fit really funny all of a sudden.

Oh yeah! I remember those days!