Tea Party at a crossroads

Ragman

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US Tea Party at crossroads after debt deal
By Olivier Knox | AFP – Tue, Aug 2, 2011

The US Tea Party stood at a political crossroads Tuesday, split by a vote on raising the US debt limit after fractious negotiations that saw them declared both the big winners and losers.

At issue was the role that the young movement, born of anger at the sour US economy and stoked by establishment Republicans eager to harness its energy, could play in President Barack Obama's fight for reelection in November 2012.

"I think nothing really changes. This is, to us, the beginning of the debate," Republican Senator Rand Paul, one of the Tea Party's champions in the polarized US Congress, told AFP when asked what would happen next.

"We're going to continue to promote solutions, as opposed to deals. I think this is a deal, not a solution," Paul said of the 11th-hour compromise agreed by Obama and top Republicans to avert a disastrous debt default.

Paul shrugged off public opinion polls showing that the Tea Party emerged from the spectacle of the acrimonious six-months-long debt debate with its image tarnished.

"I don't see anything about my perception of the public's will that tells me I need to do less. They tell me I need to keep doing the same thing and tell me to stand my ground," the Kentucky lawmaker said.




A fresh survey from the Pew Center that studies US public opinion found that 42 percent of Americans had a less favorable view of Republicans, 37 percent thought less of the Tea Party, and 30 percent viewed Democrats less positively.

Republican respondents were among the most divided: 56 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents who agreed with the Tea Party said their impression of members of Congress tied to the movement had improved.

But just four percent of Republicans who disagree with, or are neutral towards, the Tea Party, said they felt more positively about the movement, against 27 percent who reported thinking more negatively.

Political analysts said the split would ultimately matter little and predicted Republicans would unite behind their standard-bearer in the November 2012 race, when the party hopes to retake the White House.

"Those fissures are going to recede, and the Republican party is likely to become more united on the issue of creating jobs and attacking Obama's record," according to Matt Dickinson, a political scientist at Middlebury College.

Dickinson noted then-president Bill Clinton overcame lackluster approval ratings to coast to reelection in 1996 after campaigning in large part against congressional Republicans he convinced voters were radical.

But while Obama might be similarly politically "blessed by his enemies," Clinton "was never in these dire straits economically," Dickinson told AFP recently.

A senior Republican senate aide agreed, telling AFP: "We could have the party broken into 17 factions in open warfare, but by summer of 2012 everyone will be holding hands against Obama."

Other key Tea Party figures joined Paul in ultimately opposing the legislation, arguing the massive austerity deal they helped to pull sharply rightward was ultimately insufficient to get Washington's fiscal house in order.

They included Republican Representatives Michele Bachmann as well as Republican Senators Mike Lee and Jim DeMint -- widely considered the Tea Party's most influential patron in the US Congress.

"It's time to stop the 'hot air' in Washington and let the winds of true change, economic growth and job creation spurred by the private market sweep through this country. Someone has to say NO to more spending. I will," said Bachmann.

In the House of Representatives, however, 59 of the so-called "freshmen" elected in November 2010 elections shaped by the Tea Party ultimately sided with Republican leaders in backing the legislation, while 28 opposed it.

And more than half of the "Tea Party Caucus" in the House backed the bill.

House Republicans were more united behind the bill than Obama's Democratic allies, who broke 95-95 amid angry criticisms that the bill cut middle-class programs while failing to increase taxes on the rich and wealthy corporations.

That doesn't mean Tea Party adherents will set aside their often fiery, take-no-prisoners approach, said Dickinson.

"A good chunk of them think they are doing God's work, so they are not amenable to the kinds of deals that more pragmatic lawmakers, like their leaders, may find reasonable," he said.
 

Tennesseahawk

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They underestimate the Tea Party. Yeah, some will break off, cause the Fall lineup on NBC is coming up; but overall, I believe they're pizzin vinegar; and ready to screw up some DC-folks' day.

The movement will get weaker before it gets stronger. I knew this would happen mid-term; as Republicans having some control is taking the fire out of a lot of bandwagoners. We're (conservative movement) not going to be as strong in 12, as the "threat of socialism" had died, somewhat. So what we need to do is to keep educating, and unite behind someone who shares the libertarian/conservative views that we want the Republican party to embrace. This doesn't necessarily mean voting for the status quo Republican candidate, like Skeletor McCain was. I'd rather vote for Godzilla. All we have to do is make up a birth certificate for him.

The first thing I believe they should do is to find a strong conservative in Boehner's district, and send him to the curb! Send a message that the Repubs F'd UP!!!
 
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greg334

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"Those fissures are going to recede, and the Republican party is likely to become more united on the issue of creating jobs and attacking Obama's record,"

Really?

OK if someone thinks so ... but I feel their cross roads were the first time they tried to exert some of their power in the house and told to shut up and sit down by the republican leadership.
 

aristotle

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Boehner, McConnell, Cantor and like-minded cohorts are simply Big Government facilitators. The Republican leadership is constantly playing "Let's Make A Deal" with their Democratic counterparts. Dealmaking is not problemsolving. The big Debt Deal was a tip of the hat to political expediency which only served to push the issue past the November 2012 election.

The emergence of the Tea Party movement is an interesting phenomena. Our country hasn't seen a real populist movement in many decades. Moreover, no one wants to kill off the growing Tea Party momentum more desperately than the Republican Establishment. Every gain the Tea Party garners comes directly at the Republican hierarchy's expense. The two factions cannot coexist indefinitely.
 

skyraider

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Sounds like the old white haired men in the house let a little lady from Alaska kick their backsides, mush boys mush Ms Palin yells. hmmmm:eek:
 

tbubster

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"Those fissures are going to recede, and the Republican party is likely to become more united on the issue of creating jobs and attacking Obama's record,"

Really?

OK if someone thinks so ... but I feel their cross roads were the first time they tried to exert some of their power in the house and told to shut up and sit down by the republican leadership.

tbubster
 

Camper

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If the Tea Party broke off from the Republican Party, ridding itself of the impurities like Michele Bachman and Palin, I think we could have a much needed legitimate third party. They could further bolster their base by creating a platform that is:

1). Far to the right of where the Republicans claim to be on Fiscal issues and Crime

but

2). with true libertarian stances on social issues.

A platform with the above two basic tenets, would fall very much inline with the silent, independent majority who have long been disenfranchised by the two major parties(The Dumbocrats and the Retardplicans)
 

Tennesseahawk

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If the Tea Party broke off from the Republican Party, ridding itself of the impurities like Michele Bachman and Palin, I think we could have a much needed legitimate third party. They could further bolster their base by creating a platform that is:

1). Far to the right of where the Republicans claim to be on Fiscal issues and Crime

but

2). with true libertarian stances on social issues.

A platform with the above two basic tenets, would fall very much inline with the silent, independent majority who have long been disenfranchised by the two major parties(The Dumbocrats and the Retardplicans)


Well, hate to tell you, it was Palin who brought a large number into the movement. Not everyone watches SNL, ya know. And there are many who still think her message is one of solid conservative fundamentals. I am one of them. I just don't know if she's the right candidate for president. But I'd sure as hell vote for her. She has big knockers! :D
 

Camper

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Well, hate to tell you, it was Palin who brought a large number into the movement. Not everyone watches SNL, ya know. And there are many who still think her message is one of solid conservative fundamentals. I am one of them. I just don't know if she's the right candidate for president. But I'd sure as hell vote for her. She has big knockers! :D

Palin is nothing more than a typical establishment Republican who has no problem shoving her social agenda down our throats. Plus her fiscal record in Alaska(heavily taxing the oil companies) puts her to the left of Obama, fiscally-speaking.


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Camper

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You mean like the great great great great great great many whose only reason for voting for Obama is because he is black.:D

Identity politics cuts both ways...Now, with respect to Palin, one can argue that Her looks and perhaps her gender are what have spared her from being marginalized the way Dan Quayle was. Ideologically-speaking they're the same; However, unlike Palin, Quayle is actually brighter he gets credit for being(potato incident notwithstanding).



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greg334

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Well, hate to tell you, it was Palin who brought a large number into the movement. Not everyone watches SNL, ya know. And there are many who still think her message is one of solid conservative fundamentals. I am one of them. I just don't know if she's the right candidate for president. But I'd sure as hell vote for her. She has big knockers! :D

Palin is nothing more than a typical establishment Republican who has no problem shoving her social agenda down our throats. Plus her fiscal record in Alaska(heavily taxing the oil companies) puts her to the left of Obama, fiscally-speaking.

Well this is one BIG reason why I say she would be great in running the rnc and not running for office.
 

Camper

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Well this is one BIG reason why I say she would be great in running the rnc and not running for office.

The RNC is nothing more than a country club version of a cheerleading squad, so yeah, I'd say that would be right up her alley.



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greg334

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Just the opposite, the RNC has too many good ol' boys in it and needs to be shaken up a bit - she is better equipped to do that than anyone else.
 
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