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copdsux

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I thought this thread was about t-shirts & smiling, not politics. Where are the moderators when we need 'em?
 

layoutshooter

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Yup - but the original point where you and I got into this little exchange was the point where you attempted to deny your own accountability for the situation we find ourselves in - by stating:

"It's not my fault these sorry, no good for nothing, rotten Denebian Slime Devils are elected all the time."

My answer to that is: of course it is - you didn't run.

It's your fault ..... and mine .... and anyone else who failed to step up to the plate and offer themselves up ..... to run for public office.

The question really is: how responsible do you want to be ?


There are many ways to serve one's country, at all levels, that don't require one to run for office. To say that a person ignores their duty to their country just because they don't run for political office demeans all other forms of public service.

Millions "step up to the plate" everyday without running for office. They serve in the military, deliver meals to seniors, fight fires, mentor troubled kids etc etc etc. Some are volunteers, others, paid, all are required for the nation to function.

IF everyone served in some capacity we would not be in the mess we are in. The bigger problem are those who do nothing. Those millions, those who are able, should "step up to the plate". They are the "shirkers".
 

greg334

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Millions "step up to the plate" everyday without running for office. They serve in the military, deliver meals to seniors, fight fires, mentor troubled kids etc etc etc. Some are volunteers, others, paid, all are required for the nation to function.

one reason why I feel that just putting on a uniform does not entitle one benifits but many who step up without thinking or hesitating and get nothing.
 

Ragman

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There are many ways to serve one's country, at all levels, that don't require one to run for office. To say that a person ignores their duty to their country just because they don't run for political office demeans all other forms of public service.

Millions "step up to the plate" everyday without running for office. They serve in the military, deliver meals to seniors, fight fires, mentor troubled kids etc etc etc. Some are volunteers, others, paid, all are required for the nation to function.

IF everyone served in some capacity we would not be in the mess we are in. The bigger problem are those who do nothing. Those millions, those who are able, should "step up to the plate". They are the "shirkers".

Kind of sounds like you are saying - " It takes a village . . ."
 

layoutshooter

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It does not take a "village". It takes everyone to accept some form of active responsibility for their own lives and country. Millions do not. They are the problem.

Joining the ranks of the elite, spoiled multi-millionaires (congress) is far from being the only way to serve one's country and community. In face, that service is more destructive rather than constructive.

Greg, everyone who signs a contract and fulfills their end of that contract is entitled to the benefits laid out in that contract. Any person, company or country that does not adhere to a contract that they enter into has no reason to exist.

Don't believe that other forms of service are not important? Check out the link below. There were 72 firefighters killed in the U.S. in the year 2010. 44 of those were volunteers. People who are willing to risk their own lives, for no pay, to save the lives and property of others. They are of far more value to the Nation than a multi-millionaire who "lords" over his or her subjects.

http://www.nfpa.org/assets/files/pdf/osfff.pdf
 
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Ragman

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Warning: a village CAN have more than one idiot...

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greg334

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It does not take a "village". It takes everyone to accept some form of active responsibility for their own lives and country. Millions do not. They are the problem.

I get that part and still lean towards the idea that because one wears a uniform, it does not make them as important as anyone else unless they actually do something to earn it. This goes for anyone, from postal workers to cops to the people who are in the military.

Joining the ranks of the elite, spoiled multi-millionaires (congress) is far from being the only way to serve one's country and community. In face, that service is more destructive rather than constructive.

I wonder if you include those who have been in the military and promote it from outside as part of some need to expand it?

This is very destructive and we have been warned about it time and time again but haven't learned what it means.

Greg, everyone who signs a contract and fulfills their end of that contract is entitled to the benefits laid out in that contract. Any person, company or country that does not adhere to a contract that they enter into has no reason to exist.

You know Layout, the contract thing means nothing to me. I look at the BS we have had to put up with for the past 70 years and see people using this idea that it is owed to them because of something they signed. It doesn't work that way for those who do more than sign a piece of paper and not wear a uniform or belong to a group that they have to "qualify" for.

I am not talking about the guy/gal who goes off to fight as we, the citizens through our government send them, they are a deserving bunch but I am talking about the concept/institution of the volunteer force and the need to provide things because of it is used to entice people to join. Many more do a lot more than do their 9 to 5 at some base or hand out food and water at some disaster site, like the ones who run to the fire without thinking or those who jump into the water to save someone.

Don't believe that other forms of service are not important? Check out the link below. There were 72 firefighters killed in the U.S. in the year 2010. 44 of those were volunteers. People who are willing to risk their own lives, for no pay, to save the lives and property of others. They are of far more value to the Nation than a multi-millionaire who "lords" over his or her subjects.

This is what I'm getting at. I don't care about the millionaires, no one should because they are truly insignificant group of people in the bigger picture. It is the individual who takes the responsibility to be a citizen, sometimes the cost is their own life.
 

layoutshooter

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"I wonder if you include those who have been in the military and promote it from outside as part of some need to expand it? "

You mean the Congress?

To me the "contract thing" is simple. A Man's word is his bond. One adheres to their legal/moral obligations or they are scum. There is no in between.
 
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